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Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:08 pm

On Saturday February 9th, 1963, Boeing 727-22 N7001U took off from Renton for the type's maiden flight. After 1 hour 59 minutes in the air, the aircraft returned to terra firma when it landed at Paine Field. Less than nine months later, deliveries to launch customers began with N7004U for United Airlines on October 29th and N8102N Eastern Airlines on November 15th. It’s the Miami-based carrier that first began services with the new trijets by replacing the regular Lockheed Electra on the MIA-PHL-DCA route on February 1st, 1964.

Below are the pictures of the first and second 727 built. The latter, depicting Boeing's livery, was kept by the manufacturer as a demonstrator until it was scrapped in 1978, while the first remained active with United Airlines from its delivery in 1964 till its retirement in January 1991. Since then, it's been part of the Museum of Flight at Everett.


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In all,1832 (including the demonstrator) of these narrow-body trijets were built between 1962 and 1984 in four different variants. The 727has been the first commercial jetliner to reach the 1,000th delivery mark, in December 1973, with N474DA of Delta Airlines.

Fifty years after that historical day, many 727 are still plying the skies, mainly as cargo haulers or as private jets.

For more about the 727 see:

Boeing 727 family;

Boeing 727 Prototype-"First Flights" video;

and a thirteen parts report published in Flight International dated 9 May 1963:

1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 10; 11; 12; 13
 
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:30 pm

The B727 - fantastic airplane. A pity they disappeared so quickly in the early 2000s, suddenly they were all over the hill from being important workhorses just a few years earlier.

Interesting that they chose to have the galley halfway down the cabin on the B727-100 but actually a great idea, made a natural separation between First and economy class.

I only flew as a passenger on Sterling Airways B727-200Adv with 182 seats, and I have colleagues who were pilots and cabin crew on the very same aircraft. They loved the B727 and I can understand why.

I raise my glass to the B727 - an aircraft to remember and respect  
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:31 pm

There's another similar current thread. Perhaps it would make sense to add this to the other thread to keep it all together?
Boeing 727 Launch (by baileyncreme Jan 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5675497&searchid=5677908&s=Boeing+727#ID5677908
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:34 pm

Dangit!!!!! I had MY thread all ready to go tomorrow.  
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:52 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
There's another similar current thread. Perhaps it would make sense to add this to the other thread to keep it all together?

I thought about it, but the thread is more about technical problems with the aircraft than a reason to celebrate an achievement.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:56 pm

Tomorrow, February 9th, is also the 44th anniversary of the 747's first flight. Both the 727 and 747 made their first flights on February 9th, albeit 6 years apart.
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:58 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
Interesting that they chose to have the galley halfway down the cabin on the B727-100 but actually a great idea, made a natural separation between First and economy class.

I think it was a bad idea. It complicated reconfigurations as very few carriers needed such a large F class cabin on the typical routes operated by the 721. Having to split the foward cabin ahead of the galley into 2 or 3 rows of F and 2 or 3 rows of Y wasn't as efficient as having the entire cabin to work with as on the 722. The seats directly opposite the galley also weren't very nice with the cabin crew working in the galley just across the aisle.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
It complicated reconfigurations as very few carriers needed such a large F class cabin on the typical routes operated by the 721.

That seemed to be common with the era and earlier.

It is almost like no one thought about the consequences of fixed galley placement. Look at the DC-6 and DC-7,and TCA's DC-4M and Viscount ... passengers actually boarded the aircraft right into the galley! Or when there was a mixed F and Y cabin on the DC-7, the galley was in the middle of the F cabin, and Y passengers were served through the F cabin.

But you are right, the galley placement of the B727-100 was a perfect F/Y divider, as long as that is the configuration you wanted, otherwise it was very cumbersome. That is why I liked the door/cabin layout of the L1011 over the DC-10. With the DC-10, the forward cabin almost had to be F, where the large forward cabin of the L1011 allowed a bulkhead divider in the configuration the airline wanted.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:37 am

My Dad helped build both of those. He worked on the wing-line and the rear air stairs on both of those aircraft.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:45 am

I honestly wish that the 727 had been the Boeing narrowbody to have gone on to be NG'd and MAX'd rather than the 737. Always enjoyed flying the 3-holer with the T-tail, and feel fortunate to have flown several of the -100s while they were still somewhat common in commercial service.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:27 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
Interesting that they chose to have the galley halfway down the cabin on the B727-100 but actually a great idea, made a natural separation between First and economy class.

I think it was a bad idea. It complicated reconfigurations as very few carriers needed such a large F class cabin on the typical routes operated by the 721. Having to split the foward cabin ahead of the galley into 2 or 3 rows of F and 2 or 3 rows of Y wasn't as efficient as having the entire cabin to work with as on the 722. The seats directly opposite the galley also weren't very nice with the cabin crew working in the galley just across the aisle.

From a ground handling point of view it was horrible. There was not enough room on the ramp for a catering truck and a fuel truck at the same time. The fuel hookups and fueling panel was on the right wing about a third of the way outboard from the fuselage. That and the location of the galley door meant that you couldn't have a fuel truck and a catering truck servicing the plane at the same time.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:57 am

For spotters of a certain age (such as me), the 722 was so dominant and omni-present -- it seemed 25 years ago that it would always dominate the skies. Spotting a 722 in 1968, or 1978, or 1988, or even 1998 was simply....boring.

Now....a rare 722 arrival or departure makes me stop and stare.

Anyone remember the proposed stretched 727-300 offered to UA in (about) 1976/77?
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 11):
Now....a rare 722 arrival or departure makes me stop and stare.

You don't have a choice since they're so damn loud. Once I was in St. Louis and heard an especially loud, low bypass plane and turned around expecting to see an F-15 but it was just a 727 freighter.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:07 am

Yes, I remember the 727 well. I personally flew the type on UA, AA, and NW, though I grew up seeing all kinds of UA 727 flights out of ORD. I'll also never forget a 7th grade trip to SJO in 2000 - we took UA's ORD-MEX-SJO flight there and back on the A320, but pulled up right next to the beautiful MX 727 down in SJO...

On NW, I rode the 727 on DTW-YYZ, which dropped us off in the decrepit old YYZ Terminal 1. How times have changed, what with the state of the art YYZ Terminal 1 and the DTW-YYZ route now hosting nothing but 50 seat RJs from DL...

On AA, I rode the 727 on MIA-RDU, which dropped us off in a very spartan/underutilized Terminal C that ultimately gave way to the state of the art Terminal 2. I'll never forget landing at RDU with about a foot of snow on the ground (it is quite rare for RDU to get snow, and very rare for it to get that much) and the captain exclaiming "hey folks, that's NOT the beach out there!". The 727s were quite a rare sight at AA's ORD hub by the late 90s, but MIA was a 727 haven into the early 2000s, which I'm pretty sure is when we took the flight.

On UA, I certainly remember riding the 727 on the ORD-YYZ route as late as 2001, and I'm pretty sure I rode the type on several other routes as well like ORD-RSW and ORD-MCO. I remember they even flew the 727 from ORD all the way out to LAS!
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:28 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Thread starter):
It’s the Miami-based carrier that first began services with the new trijets by replacing the regular Lockheed Electra on the MIA-PHL-DCA route on February 1st, 1964.

This cannot be. DCA did not get 727 service or any other jet service until over two years later.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:07 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
You don't have a choice since they're so damn loud. Once I was in St. Louis and heard an especially loud, low bypass plane and turned around expecting to see an F-15 but it was just a 727 freighter.

And yet Eastern used to tag them Whisperliners or Whisperjets.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:22 am

Quoting rwessel (Reply 15):
And yet Eastern used to tag them Whisperliners or Whisperjets.

Well to compare it to similar vintage technology, the new Porsche 911 better than doubles the horsepower of the original and cuts nearly four seconds off its 0-60 time. Technology marches on.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 11):
Anyone remember the proposed stretched 727-300 offered to UA in (about) 1976/77?

Yes, and it finally became a twin jet. I really wonder how successful the 727-300 would have been if it was launched.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 11):
the 722 was so dominant and omni-present -- it seemed 25 years ago that it would always dominate the skies

Especially in North America where it lasted longer in passenger services.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 14):
This cannot be. DCA did not get 727 service or any other jet service until over two years later.

Indeed, it was IAD back then.

Quoting rwessel (Reply 15):
And yet Eastern used to tag them Whisperliners or Whisperjets.

Well, I believe it was more a comparision with propliners for potential passengers than anything else.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:14 am

The B727 was the first jet I ever flew as a Pilot.


I really can't say enough about what a dream it was to fly.



Solid, built like a brick sh*house, you felt like it could handle anything and it could, it shrugged off turbulence like a hot knife through butter.


Stable, yet extremely responsive, the worse the weather the happier you were to be in it.
And fast, very fast, VMO of 380 Knots with an MMO of .92


I have taken it to .91 mach and it was completely unruffled.


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Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:33 am

Probably the prettiest short/mediumhaul plane in my eyes, its very long since I have seen one the last time. Are there still any active in Europe?
I have a ca. 1970 photo of me with a large beautiful Pan Am 727 model as a Christmas gift which I remember made some noise. And another photo where I built a Lego 727! Must have liked the plane as a kid!
I think the last time I flew on a 727 must have been in the late 80s, I remember a Tunisair flight to Tunisia and one or two to Berlin with Pan Am. Nothing afterwards, but until the late 90s I really didnt record my flights as it were the busiest business travel times of my life.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:40 am

It was my favourite aircraft in the NW fleet. I used to bid 727 trips exclusively because they always had great layovers in all the right places, MIA, ABQ, PHX, SAN, LAS, SRQ, FCA, BOI, and the list goes on and on. I came to flying at the near-end of its career, and like many plane-nuts, wished it had lasted abit longer, but 9-11 saw to that. It gave me a glimpse into the 1st-generation jet flying of the 707/727 glory years. A gorgeous plane with a great sound to it. Miss her.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:35 am

Out of all the 727 trips I have made only about a handful or so were on the 727-100 series. It seemed that in the late 60's and on the -200 model was much more common. In the early 70's I flew mostly on BN 727's. On any of their -100's I never did see any seats directly across the aisle from from the center galley. There was a bulkhead on both sides of the aisle. They had 5 or 6 rows of F, then the galley and then Y. I think across the aisle from the galley was a coat closet or something similar.

Did NW every fly the -100 model or just the -200 model? I never did encounter a NW -100.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 20):
A gorgeous plane with a great sound to it

When those 3 engines spooled up you definitely knew you were going places. But at full load the plane seemed to eat up a lot of runway on takeoff.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:54 am

[quote=type-rated,reply=21]But at full load the plane seemed to eat up a lot of runway on takeoff.[/]

Are you referring to the 200 version? The 100 had amazing short field performance, for its time, with triple slotted flaps, leading edge devices etc. With everything hanging out in the breeze it looked like the wing was falling apart!

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Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:56 am

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 20):
Did NW every fly the -100 model or just the -200 model? I never did encounter a NW -100.

NW had -100 models in its fleet both -100 and -100C for which it was a launch customer.

http://www.geocities.com/aeromoe/fleets/nw.html
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I remember they even flew the 727 from ORD all the way out to LAS!

I purposely booked that flight and flew it in Sep 1st 2001. They served omlettes in Y class,too . My last 727 flight was ATL-ROC on DL N8890Z March 9,2003. We recently lost the only 727 in ROC when Capitol Cargo switched to 757's.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:10 pm

Something I prepared earlier:

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Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:33 pm

Quoting rwessel (Reply 15):
Whisperjets

The -72's and the -9's. Well, if you were sitting up front they certainly were quiet especially at takeoff. They were called Whisperjets for that reason. Not because of what they sounded like outside of the aircraft. Beat the hell out of row 4 or 5 on a -7B at take-off power!  Wow!
Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
But at full load the plane seemed to eat up a lot of runway on takeoff.

Oh yeah. A hot, murky, summer's afternoon at ATL would reveal a lot of scary looking departures!   
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:41 pm

Ah, the legendary three holer.   

We've posted shots of the first builts. It's only fair that the last builts are posted as well.

The very last one off the line:
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 25):


Oh yeah. A hot, murky, summer's afternoon at ATL would reveal a lot of scary looking departures!

I remember seeing and hearing Champion departing LAS in the summer . Lots of 'pops' and runway used.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 25):

Very nice job.   
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:34 pm

An amazing feat for a plane that is pressurized!

My father was one of many who worked on the plane, albeit as a summer intern early in its flight testing (fixing a tripping circuit breaker issue by testing replacement breakers pre-EIS).

I have several good memories flying the 727. For some reason, it wasn't that common an aircraft for me to fly on, but every flight was enjoyable. I remember in 1999 flying on a chartered DL 727 that was in great shape! My best memories will be the flights on "Sir Turtle" to Grand Cayman.

I remember well when DL retired their fleet:
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Partially as I worked at Pratt and we were coming up with solutions to use the JT8D cores for backup ground power; Which sold incredibly well in the "California power crisis and being from California I was thus given grief about our #1 customer base for Ex-DL 727s engines...

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 11):
Now....a rare 722 arrival or departure makes me stop and stare.

FedEx has enough of them.  
Quoting rwessel (Reply 15):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
You don't have a choice since they're so damn loud. Once I was in St. Louis and heard an especially loud, low bypass plane and turned around expecting to see an F-15 but it was just a 727 freighter.

And yet Eastern used to tag them Whisperliners or Whisperjets.

That was my thought. While inside they were very quiet, in particular in F (hence the Wisperjets moniker), outside they screamed. I love old planes, but not flying overhead daily. The hushkits help... only a little.


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Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:48 pm

I miss these birds in SJU. FedEx and Amerijet occasionally bring them, but it's very rare. AA, CO, and US all brought them to SJU, not to mention KP and the reincarnations of PA, and all the charters like MG, KW, and Planet Airways.

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Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:56 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 25):
Something I prepared earlier:

That's brilliant!
It would make a great flight bag sticker, and it reminds me how very handsome the B727 was/is.

I hope you don't mind, but I re-posted that on our pilot forum, as there are more than a few B727-100/200 drivers in our ranks!
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:01 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 22):
[quote=type-rated,reply=21]But at full load the plane seemed to eat up a lot of runway on takeoff.[/]

Are you referring to the 200 version?

Yes I was thinking of the -200 version.



Quoting United_fan (Reply 24):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I remember they even flew the 727 from ORD all the way out to LAS!

I believe UA also flew them ORD-SFO and ORD-SJC.

Speaking of Champion Air, they used to fly these into HOU as charters and the planes were always immaculately clean. They looked as if they just had been painted.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:10 pm

Pretty sure I flew on one of the last American Airlines 727 flight in mid 2001. It was BNA - DFW
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:38 pm

Fantastic, sleek plane. I remember flying these between St. Thomas and New York frequently on Pan Am as a young boy. Such great memories. Then the 757 (Eastern) and A300 (Pan Am) started to take over the 727 in St. Thomas - both great planes but the 727 was a unique experience.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:52 pm

I am also 50 years old this year. I have flown in the 727's of South African Airways and PanAm in the 70's and Alaska in the 80's. Spotting in Seattle at the old spotting park, I loved Delta's 727 takeoffs. You could feel the shock waves coming out of those turbojets. So many good memories.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:53 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 5):
Tomorrow, February 9th, is also the 44th anniversary of the 747's first flight. Both the 727 and 747 made their first flights on February 9th, albeit 6 years apart.

Two iconic airplanes! I almost forgot about the Jumbo's first flight. But to stick to the topic, the Boeing 727 certainly deserves her accolades. I have flown in both short- and long-bodied versions - quite a few of them. My best and worst flights aboard tha aircraft were with USAir.

Back in the 1980s, USAir had quite a few ex-United veterans (-22 shorties). On approach to PIT, we flew right into a huge thunderstorm, and the airplane fell like a brick. At first, I was nervous, but I quickly realized I was aboard an exceptionally strong machine and felt very safe. I knew the old girl (she was getting on in years even back then) could handle the punishment. We made a good landing; when I entered the terminal, I took a look at the aircraft. (I still do that.) She seemed to look at me, maintining an air of total confridence.

In the early 1990s, the same airline was going through a bad spell - service was horrible (under the US Airways moniker, the airline has improved markedly, and I would certainly recommend them). The poor airplane was an ex-Piedmont machine, a -214 originally delivered to PSA). Wearing a cheesy hybrid scheme, there was as much primer on that bird as there was actual (faded) paint. The plane was just as much a mess inside and loaded to the gills with passengers and cargo. Over the Caribbean, there were terrible hissing noises; I thought the plane would de-pressurize any moment. Much to the credit of that airplane, I found out that my fears were unfounded; that ship would go on to fly cargo many years later. Yes, that three-holer was a tank!

Funny thing - the planes were so common in its many years of front-line airline service, getting one did not seem like a big deal. I wouldn't be surprised if 15 or so years from now, I would be saying the same thing about flying "another" Boeing 737 or Mad Dog.
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 18):
I really can't say enough about what a dream it was to fly.

Solid, built like a brick sh*house, you felt like it could handle anything and it could, it shrugged off turbulence like a hot knife through butter.

Stable, yet extremely responsive, the worse the weather the happier you were to be in it.
And fast, very fast, VMO of 380 Knots with an MMO of .92

I have taken it to .91 mach and it was completely unruffled.

Simply, a Pilots dream.

Amen to that!

After loving the airplane my whole life, it's very special to me that I may be one of the last pilots that will probably ever be typed in it. I just flew one into maintenance and, not knowing it at the time, it was the airplanes last flight. After over 35 years of faithful service, I would have at least done a missed approach and brought it back around the pattern one last time. It may be gone but her parts will help another one take to the skies once again so at least we have that going for us.

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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 18):
The B727 was the first jet I ever flew as a Pilot.

Same with me. A lot of pilots had transition problems coming from the props (DC-7, Electra,etc), as well as a few 707 and DC-8 guys. It was a very complicated plane for these folks, they basically had to learn a brand new aeronautics theory, especially with the complicated flaps and the rapid sink rate. In my mid 20s, I was like a kid in a corvette!

Later in my career, I would transition to the 737, and end my career on the 757. And for me, the 727 was the ultimate. Unless you were incredibly stupid, you could do almost anything to it/with it. Very sturdy, well built, dependable and pilot friendly.

She always delivered me, my crews, and many thousands of passengers safely to our destination, and she will always have my deepest respect and love.

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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Just a beautiful aircraft, as though the laws of aerodynamics and aesthetics converged to create her. I've heard the only drawback of that amazing 108 foot wing was the Boeing 727's lack of altitude capability; one captain told me that anything above FL-370 was considered outer space. In one well documented incident, a TWA Boeing 727 attempting to get up 39,000 ft over Michigan nearly crashed.

It's a shame the tail-mounted engines prohibited higher bypass engine installations as the rest of the airframe could fly for years to come.
 
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 33):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 24):Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I remember they even flew the 727 from ORD all the way out to LAS!
I believe UA also flew them ORD-SFO

I once flew a UA 727 ORD-LAX non-stop.
 
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:47 pm

The 727 always was my favorite aircraft to fly on, by far....much more elegent and more capable than the fuel miserly birds of today (!)

My first 727 ride was on US in in 1995 SFO-CLT....shortly before they retired their mainline fleet. I didn't get the reg #, but but I do remember the scheme:
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:49 pm

Here is a great vid to hear the sound of the 727

http://youtu.be/gwel7Ulmrvs

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 41):
I once flew a UA 727 ORD-LAX non-stop.

US Air flew the 722 CLT-SFO

http://youtu.be/ZBVh2GJJdus
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:19 pm

I have fond memories on the 727...

Back in the day I was an youngster we used to travel a lot and I made many flights on RG, TR (QD back then) and SC 727-100s and just a few with VP -200s. Always a nice ride. On later years we had some charter operators around and I remember booking a GRU-GIG flight just to fly on a 727-200, and that was more or less 10 years ago.

My last ever flight on a pax 727 was with AA, Puerto Plata-Miami. I remember the interior was very well kept.

As a pilot I had not the chance to fly it, albeit we still have plenty of them flying cargo around here, but my career paths took me in other direction. Talking to the seasoned captains I have the chance to fly with, all say about the same was already said here, a pilot's airplane.

Long live to the 727!
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
Interesting that they chose to have the galley halfway down the cabin on the B727-100 but actually a great idea, made a natural separation between First and economy class.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
It complicated reconfigurations as very few carriers needed such a large F class cabin on the typical routes operated by the 721. Having to split the foward cabin ahead of the galley into 2 or 3 rows of F and 2 or 3 rows of Y wasn't as efficient as having the entire cabin to work with as on the 722. The seats directly opposite the galley also weren't very nice with the cabin crew working in the galley just across the aisle

Yeah, it was rough working out of the one galley with 3, sometimes 4, FA's. We called the small section of coach seats forward of the galley the Twilight Zone. I think when I started with AA it was configured 10/92. That was when there was a huge closet for carryon bags directly across from the galley. This was when we had the orange interior. If my memory serves me correctly, they took that bag storage bin out and then the plane went to 10/108. It was difficult doing a first class dinner service from that one galley. Generally F/C was catered on the left side of the galley and coach on the right side. We had this long skinny work table that we pulled out of a storage place in the wall and placed it across the aircraft door. That's where all the wine would be placed and other items needed for F/C. In coach we asked each other "Do you want to set up or serve?" So one FA would stay in the galley and setup the trays and entrees and the other FA would run the food.
We served them two at a time, but when we picked up we could stack about 6 trays at least. One FA was the "stuffer" who put the used trays back in the meal carrier (You were down on your knees in the galley), and the other would run in a stack and leave them for the other to stuff. Pickup went pretty fast even before the era of the cart.
One F/A sat on the back jumpseat, one sat on the aisle seat of row 9, which had been reconfigured with a shoulder harness and was directly opposite the galley door. And then one was by the forward door.
I can remember times when I was the #4, the one by the galley, and I got to strap in to a harness and the two passengers next to me just had seat belts. "How come we don't get that??!"
To wrap it up,#1, who worked F/C also had to feed the 3 pilots and back then they were a lot more demanding, so 1 was the position we really didn't care for!
 
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:38 pm

Those 727-259/Adv we had at AV powered with the large PW JT8D-17R engines, had the auto throttle, auto brakes, the PDCS (performance data computer system) and the two Litton omega navigation system installed.

They also had on the fuselage in the aft section just in front of the engine intakes by the aft service doors a sign with the "Boeing Super 727" legend which made them a real joy to fly.

I have great memories of having had the priviledge of flying this great airplane in all its versions as a copilot and captain for many years.

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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
Did NW every fly the -100 model or just the -200 model? I never did encounter a NW -100.

Here's a seat map of Northwest's 727-100 from 1991
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http://www.departedflights.com/NW7271091.html
 
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:52 pm

Long live the "Lead Sled"!
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RE: Boeing 727 – 1963-2013 - 50 Years In The Air

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:57 pm

My first flight was on a Northeast B-727-95, around 1966 or so, BOS to MIA. My first B-727-200 was also aboard a NE B-727-200 (they were the launch customer for the streched version) in 1970, BOS-ATL, on my way to USAF Basic Training. The second leg was on a DL DC-8, ATL-SAT.

The DC-8 was louder than the B-727 was, at least inside the cabin.