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Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:51 am

SEC filing today that Republic Holdings subsidiary Chautauqua Airlines has amended lease agreement with two of its customer airlines covering Embraer E145 aircraft.

First, US Airways has elected under its jet service agreement to remove 9 E145 aircraft from service between April 1 and July 1, 2013.

Meanwhile Delta Airlines has elected to add 10 E145 aircraft to be phased in between April 15 and July 15, 2013 under an amended agreement running through January 15, 2015. Delta has requested CHQ make 2 aircraft available between February 15 and April 15 this year to help cover other aircraft undergoing maintenance checks.

Lastly, Delta has also elected to extend 7 existing leases EMB145 leases by additional 6 months through June 15, 2014.

SEC filing:
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/130208/rjet8-k.html

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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:37 am

Interesting to hear that DL is ADDING 50-seaters, even if it is only short term.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):

Interesting to hear that DL is ADDING 50-seaters, even if it is only short term.

Wouldn't be surprised to see if it's to offset 50-seaters that will be leaving the DL fleet. Aren't the first 717s coming to DL around the same time?
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
Interesting to hear that DL is ADDING 50-seaters, even if it is only short term.

This may very well be a way to balance out the reorganization of 50-seaters across the entire Delta Connection operation; add a few more to the Chautauqua operation while making reductions elsewhere.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
Wouldn't be surprised to see if it's to offset 50-seaters that will be leaving the DL fleet. Aren't the first 717s coming to DL around the same time?

I believe that at first the 717s will be replacing the remaining DC-9s before they start replacing 50-seat regional jets.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I believe that at first the 717s will be replacing the remaining DC-9s before they start replacing 50-seat regional jets.

I am not sure how a 717 would replace the 50 aircraft except in reducing frequency. I believe that they would be using the 717's on the thinner routes and in the NE. They may also use them to expand into smaller markets that the 737's they have are too big for. They may also be looking at acquiring in the future a comprable aircraft for the CRJ they are retiring.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 5):
I am not sure how a 717 would replace the 50 aircraft except in reducing frequency. I believe that they would be using the 717's on the thinner routes and in the NE. They may also use them to expand into smaller markets that the 737's they have are too big for. They may also be looking at acquiring in the future a comprable aircraft for the CRJ they are retiring.

Its not so much that the 717s are replacing 50 seaters...its a cascade effect where, for example, a market with 4 daily flights on 50 seat aircraft will be replaced with 3 daily 70 seaters, while a market with 4 daily 70 seaters will be replaced with 3 717 flights. Its more of a system reallocation of assets using 717 "seats" to replace CRJ "seats."

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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
US Airways has elected under its jet service agreement to remove 9 E145 aircraft from service between April 1 and July 1, 2013.

Interesting wording, as that implies to me that CHQ will continue to operate for US after these frames are removed, just with fewer frames.

The reality is that this terminates US relationship with CHQ - they only operate 9 aircraft for them!

I wonder where US is going to backfill that capacity from? Do they have more E-Jets/CR9s coming on line?
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
I wonder where US is going to backfill that capacity from? Do they have more E-Jets/CR9s coming on line?

Maybe US needs to cut 50-seat capacity as well.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:29 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 8):
Maybe US needs to cut 50-seat capacity as well.

US doesn't have a glut of 50 seaters... I'm not sure which routes even see the E145 these days. I imagine it won't hurt the cities that have 9 flights a day to CLT to have 8.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:45 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
US doesn't have a glut of 50 seaters... I'm not sure which routes even see the E145 these days. I imagine it won't hurt the cities that have 9 flights a day to CLT to have 8.

US is better than the other carriers with about 28.5% of their departures being on RJs with 50 or less seats (compared to Delta at 30.7%, American at 38.5% and United at 41.6%).

If anything, the only place that US Airways has a glut of 50 seat RJs is DCA, where they make up about 43% of the departures (no wonder the hold room there is so despised when it's handling that large amount of flights!)

That being said, 9 frames is a drop in the bucket. They fly a total of about 69 flights/day, with only CLT-SDF seeing more than 2 frequencies a day. Should be relatively easy to replace some of the slack in the fleet here, either by pruning a frequency or two on some high-frequency routes, putting Piedmont Dash 8s on some (such as CLT-GSO/GSP/EWN/ILM/CAE) or moving Air Wisconsin onto some routes.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:04 pm

PIT-BDL/STL/RDU still see 3X daily ERJ-145s. I wonder if those will be cut?
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 11):

PIT-BDL/STL/RDU still see 3X daily ERJ-145s. I wonder if those will be cut?

AX flies those, not RP. And PIT-STL is used as a crew repositioning flight for AX.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:07 pm

We see at least a few a day in PHL and LGA got a bunch before the slot swap. US may simply see some advantage to simplifying fleet types, not needing to worry after a small fleet of 9.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:10 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 10):
Piedmont Dash 8s on some (such as CLT-GSO

Point of information: CLT-GSO is all EM7/CR9. I don't think we'll be seeing any Dash8s anytime soon

(sorry to nitpick!)

Quoting phlwok (Reply 13):
We see at least a few a day in PHL

I flew PHL-GSO on an EM4 in October.

Now that I think about it I'm sure that PSA and ZW will be able to cover pretty easily, which makes it a good move for US.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:24 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
Point of information: CLT-GSO is all EM7/CR9. I don't think we'll be seeing any Dash8s anytime soon

(sorry to nitpick!)

The first CLT-GSO of the day is sometimes a DH8, and it's still there as US 4284 on one upcoming day I randomly picked (Feb 26). Equipment does vary by day, it seems to only be a Dash on Tuesdays with different equipment and flight #s on other days. I also see a Sunday-only DH8 as US 4209 and a Saturday-only US 4336 for example. The DH8s board from the downstairs gate at GSO (45 if I recall). The CRJ-200s (frequent on DCA/PHL-GSO, sadly) and CRJ-700s occasionally do CLT-GSO too.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
I flew PHL-GSO on an EM4 in October.

That flight is still there (US 3039, daily except Saturday). As I'm on that route a fair bit, that might be the last ERJ-145 I flew in US Express colors, though I much prefer the E70/75 that follows it a few hours later.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
Now that I think about it I'm sure that PSA and ZW will be able to cover pretty easily, which makes it a good move for US.

Agree. We're only talking about 9 aircraft here too.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:31 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 15):

You're right, now that I've looked again I see a few Dash in there. Is this just seasonal adjustment? Last time I looked it was definitely all 70+ seaters, but that could have just been the days I was looking at.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
You're right, now that I've looked again I see a few Dash in there. Is this just seasonal adjustment? Last time I looked it was definitely all 70+ seaters, but that could have just been the days I was looking at.

I'm pretty sure the DH8s have been there part time for a long while regardless of the time of year. The last one I was on doing that route was on a hot, humid June morning last year coming off of a redeye, and it was a pretty uncomfortable 30 minute or so ride. Needless to say, given the far superior equipment normally on the route, I try to avoid the Dashes.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:14 pm

over new years PDT picked up a GSO-DCA Freq. ITs going to be interesting to see. Yes SDF-CLT is probably the most heavily served but two years ago that route was all -900/700's and the ERJ's were doing PHL, LGA, and DCA. With the new Sched out they are putting the E170 back on the DCA-SDF route once a day and ERJ the other two. the routes I know they run for US are PHL-SDF/CMH/GSO/BWI/LGA/DCA/BDL/IND/ILM
DCA-SDF/IND/ILM/GSP/GSO/CMH/CAE CLT-EWN/SDF/IND/GSO/ILM/CAE/GSP/AGS/DAY. TO name a few. SOme of those routes can be picked up by a dash but anything north or CHO/ROA will be done by a -100. I think it will be harder to replace 9 aircraft then they think that plus in april PDT retires their first Dash. I have heard that there might be 6 more -900 coming to clt from Mesa.
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:50 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
Point of information: CLT-GSO is all EM7/CR9. I don't think we'll be seeing any Dash8s anytime soon

Why not, on your 20 minute flight?

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 15):
The CRJ-200s (frequent on DCA/PHL-GSO, sadly)

Would you prefer a dash?

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 18):
DCA-SDF/IND/ILM/GSP/GSO/CMH/CAE CLT-EWN/SDF/IND/GSO/ILM/CAE/GSP/AGS/DAY. TO name a few. SOme of those routes can be picked up by a dash but anything north or CHO/ROA will be done by a -100.

I'd be surprised. And I wouldn't feel nearly as "special" if there were other cities besides CRW that went all Dash to DCA. I'm sure they'll rotate some RJ's around for them.

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 18):
I think it will be harder to replace 9 aircraft then they think that plus in april PDT retires their first Dash. I have heard that there might be 6 more -900 coming to clt from Mesa.

Two interesting points. How long can Piedmont go without coming up with some form of fleet renewal/replacement?

Where would the 900's come from?
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
Two interesting points. How long can Piedmont go without coming up with some form of fleet renewal/replacement?

Right up until they shut it down. Say, three years or so?
 
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:33 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
Why not, on your 20 minute flight?

My point was that, as far as I was aware, the market was all 70+ seaters, making a 35 seater unlikely unless they doubled frequency.

PHLwok, however, has pointed out that I'm incorrect and that there are Dashes and CRJs in there, obviously I've only paid attention on busy days/times
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:14 am

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
And I wouldn't feel nearly as "special" if there were other cities besides CRW that went all Dash to DCA. I'm sure they'll rotate some RJ's around for them.

CRW is a bit "special" due to the runway and elevation combo. PSA has some history there . . . Note that UA is also mostly Dash to IAD, though there has been a jet on the last flight of the day at times.
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RE: Republic: US Air Ends 9 E145 Leases; Delta Adds 10

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:44 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
CRW is a bit "special" due to the runway and elevation combo. PSA has some history there . . . Note that UA is also mostly Dash to IAD, though there has been a jet on the last flight of the day at times.


Only turboprop service are 3 DH8 to IAD and 3 DH8 to DCA, both of which are drastic upgrades from the SF3 previously on the routes. There's also a Dash to CLT that US uses to fund the DCA flying. IAD is 4x, but one frequency is a jet.

We're only at 1,000ft. ASL. Surprisingly low given what the airport and surrounding terrain look like. Yes, PSA had quite the "oops" here a few years ago.