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Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:23 am

A small aircraft crashed this morning at Charleroi airport (Belgium). 5 peoples died (2 adultes + 3 children) and the airport is completly closed until at least 2:30 .
Seems it's a Cessna (type unknow) wich had an engine problem after take off. The pilot tried to come back at the airport and crashed near the runway.

[Edited 2013-02-09 02:26:43]
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:07 am

The airplane involved in the crash was an American registered Cessna P210N with registration N240PW

It should be this plane:


(c) abpic.co.uk

Still uncertain if 4 or 5 people died in the crash, both numbers have been mentioned in the media.

ASN list it with 5 pax on board, 2 adults and 3 children.
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:12 am

It has been confirmed, 5 people killed in the crash. 2 adults and 3 children, a family living in Uccle (Brussels).

May they RIP.
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:37 pm

Very sad day at CRL. May they all RIP.

CRL has been closed immediately after the crash and has just reopened (at about 16:00 local).

It's the first fatal accident involving CRL if I'm not mistaken (Sabena lost a 737-200 in 1978 after a bird strike during a training flight, without fatalities).

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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:59 pm

That's a turboprop conversion, wonder if it was mistakenly fueled with avgas.

Quoting sibille (Thread starter):
The pilot tried to come back at the airport and crashed near the runway.

If you had a dollar for every accident report that had those words....

RIP
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 4):
That's a turboprop conversion, wonder if it was mistakenly fueled with avgas.

Shouldn't make a difference. If it burns, a turboprop will run. JetA in a piston is where the problems are.

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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:54 pm

Looks like grandfather at the controls, along with 3 small children and their mother, his daughter-in-law, very sad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21393907

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=153183

Last hit on flightaware was going overseas in 2007,

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N240PW


Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 5):
Shouldn't make a difference. If it burns, a turboprop will run. JetA in a piston is where the problems are.

Thanks, did not know that.
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:54 pm

I remember during my early flying lessons, unannounced my instructor shut the throttle on our Cessna 152 at 1000feet just after take off, and asked me "Now what?". I think I panicked, and he took over control. But then he underlined in my mind - never try to do a 180 and land back, with no engine, it's not possible. Nose down, look ahead, choose a field, and make your normal landing preparations!

Turn back with no power is just not on!
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:20 pm

Too bad, such a sweet ride ! Kitted out left and right, pressurized, turbine, radar or lidar, probably glass cockpit to go with, leather...

RIP to the victims.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 3):
It's the first fatal accident involving CRL if I'm not mistaken

Doubt it, I'm sure it has had several similar ones.
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:43 pm

On pprune, says an airport employee who helped board the plane says there was frost (ice) on the plane and pilot refused deicing offer, ASN report says freezing fog and temp -3C at time of crash.
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:52 am

I flew in a centurion 10 years ago as a passenger. A few months later, it crashed killing all aboard close to Bordeaux killing all aboard except one I think. I kind of remember this plane has had more than its share of trouble. Is that just an impression?
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:26 am

Quoting a380900 (Reply 10):
I flew in a centurion 10 years ago as a passenger. A few months later, it crashed killing all aboard close to Bordeaux killing all aboard except one I think. I kind of remember this plane has had more than its share of trouble. Is that just an impression?


Nothing wrong with Cessna 210s - like many high- performance singles, the skills to master them often exceed the abilities of those who can write the check big enough to afford them.
 
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RE: Small Aircraft Crashed In Charleroi (Belgium)

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:32 am

Quoting Sassiciai (Reply 7):
I remember during my early flying lessons, unannounced my instructor shut the throttle on our Cessna 152 at 1000feet just after take off, and asked me "Now what?". I think I panicked, and he took over control. But then he underlined in my mind - never try to do a 180 and land back, with no engine, it's not possible. Nose down, look ahead, choose a field, and make your normal landing preparations!

Turn back with no power is just not on!

Not *quite* true. While it is not at all recommended it is possible. We had a successful one the other day after an actual EFATO and I have successfully managed one as well during a training FLWOP. But it is only worth it if there is no wind, a good sized runway (or very large field) and no other option. Oh and also being well aware of the dangers of doing it not even associated with trying to make the runway - for example low IAS, low altitude but a very high angle of bank (to 180) will bring you right to the edge of the stall and at that height, stall with an engine out and its over rover