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Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:38 am

It looks like TAAG is ordering a further qty 3 777-300ER's in a deal worth US$895 million according to the article below. What is TAAG going to be doing with the 3 new orders along with the 2 already in their fleet not including the 3 options (likely for future route expansions)? Commenters related to the article seem to suggest that TAAG should be seeking US approval to begin services to Houston in providing non-Oil traffic business into IAH to complement Atlas Air / Son Air's "Houston Express" Oil Contract service. Could Angola be positioning itself to petition traffic rights into the US? It seems that the EU has already approved operation of TAAG's five Boeing 777s and four Boeing 737-700s into the European Union likely with foreign air crews.

TAAG Angola Airlines Fleet Aircraft Total Orders Options Passengers Notes
F C Y Total
Boeing 737-200 2 — — — 16 86 102
Boeing 737-700 4 — — — 12 108 120
Boeing 737-700C 1 — — Unknown
Boeing 777-200ER 3 — — 14 51 190 255
Boeing 777-300ER 2 3[36][41] 3[36][41] 12 56 225 293
Total 12 3 3

TAAG will buy three more planes from Boeing until 2016
2/1/2013 | Source: Angop
http://www.angonoticias.com/Artigos/...ais-tres-avioes-da-boeing-ate-2016

Three new aircraft of type Boeing 777300 ER, valued at three billion and 500 million kwanzas each, will be purchased, up to 2016, for the Angolan Airline TAAG –, reported today, in Luanda, the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the company, Daniel Pimentel.

The Manager gave the information at the end of a meeting that the Transport Minister, Augusto da Silva Tomás, held with the President of the American company General Electric (GE), Jeff Immelt.

Pimentel Araújo explained that the contract signed with Boeing, the March 27, 2011, provides for the purchase of three more planes, the first will be delivered in may 2014, the second in December 2015 and the third in March 2016.

The PCA of TAAG added that the company still plans to acquire three more aircraft that, in principle, are scheduled to be delivered in 2019/2020, but that can be received before, if the need for growth and expansion of the company.

[Edited 2013-02-09 19:39:05]
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:46 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Commenters related to the article seem to suggest that TAAG should be seeking US approval to begin services to Houston in providing non-Oil traffic business into IAH to complement Atlas Air / Son Air's "Houston Express" Oil Contract service.

Interesting, but what "non-oill" related businesses actually exist between Houston and Angola?
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:53 am

Great to hear TAAG will be buying some more 77W's.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/TAAG-...lines/Boeing-777-3M2-ER/2073890/L/
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:08 am

I'm kind of confused as to what is going on here. DT had 3 77Ws on order and options for 3 more as of April 2012. I'm guessing the article means that TAAG is going to exercise its options, bringing the order total up to 6 77Ws?

If that's correct, DT will have 11 777s. That will be a larger Triple 7 fleet than KQ, MS, and ET. With a new airport under construction in Luanda, it's interesting times ahead for Angolan aviation.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Interesting, but what "non-oill" related businesses actually exist between Houston and Angola?

Very little. In TAAG's ideal world, SonAir will stop the charter flight and DT will replace it with scheduled service on its own aircraft. This will not happen anytime soon, because while DT has their IOSA, Angola's CAA is completely corrupt and worthless. Since the U.S. rates countries based on the CAA and not individual airlines, TAAG is in an unfortunate situation.

Additionally, while both SonAir and TAAG are owned by the Angolan government, I can't imagine that SonAir would be willing to simply hand over the route to TAAG after spending a bunch of money to refurbish those two 744s. Only time will tell!
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:18 am

So where would they fly these besides Houston? Have they launched flights to Brazil, I remember there was a discussion on here that they were considering it. Also, could we see them expand in China? (via some Asian stop)
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:44 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 4):
Have they launched flights to Brazil

They have flown to GRU/GIG since the 743M days... I would expect more services to Brazil though
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:24 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):

Thanks for that.

Could we see them add more European destinations? London? Paris? Both of these are served twice per week by British Airways and Air France.
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:36 am

Three European flights, I would say
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:59 am

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 7):

I guess you mean flights as in destinations. So which ones could it be? I guess London and Paris are a given, so could the third one be Frankfurt or Madrid?
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:05 am

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
I'm kind of confused as to what is going on here. DT had 3 77Ws on order and options for 3 more as of April 2012. I'm guessing the article means that TAAG is going to exercise its options, bringing the order total up to 6 77Ws?

That's what I got from the article: Its 3 77W already on order will be delivered 05/14, 12/15 and 03/16; the 3 options are likely to exercised with delivery in 2019/2020 - although this is not an actual order yet.

The article is basically confirming the delivery dates of the three aircraft on order as well as saying the options are likely to be taken up. Badly written/translated title by the looks of it.
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
That will be a larger Triple 7 fleet than KQ, MS, and ET.

Not quite. Not sure about MS, but here is the breakdown for ET and KQ for the year 2016:

ET:
6x 772LR (5 today, 1 more later this year)
2x 773ER (delivery in 2013+)
6x 777F (2 today)

KQ:
4x772ER (all in service today)
3x 773ER (starting in 2013)
2x 772LR (starting in 2014)
4-5x 772F (starting in 2014)
See: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-inhabited-continent-by-2017-71784 for the detailed KQ fleet plans.

But one thing for sure, DT will have one of the largest 777 fleet on the continent and those birds will represent a larger fraction of the overall fleet.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 6):
Could we see them add more European destinations? London? Paris? Both of these are served twice per week by British Airways and Air France.

Both and more. I am still surprised that they have chosen such a large aircraft though. Cargo may be the reason?
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:59 pm

One comenter below the article said that TAAG should not "go back" to flying turboprops instead needed E 190 jets for smaller destinations. Angola is made for turboprops most cities are withing one hour flight from major cities and modern turboprops are far more efficient at one hour stage lengths.
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 6):
Could we see them add more European destinations? London? Paris? Both of these are served twice per week by British Airways and Air France.

The only reason they fly 2 weekly because they're not allowed to fly more to LAD (they would like more traffic rights). Moreover, sometimes they've to codeshare with DT in order to get permission to fly to LAD.
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:44 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):
I guess you mean flights as in destinations. So which ones could it be? I guess London and Paris are a given, so could the third one be Frankfurt or Madrid?

I think they will increase frequencies to current long-haul destinations first, and then may possibly expand to more. However, if TAAG plans to expand to other destinations, they need to make a lot of changes to succeed. It will be hard for them to rely on strictly local traffic outside of Lusophone destinations, so they must codeshare to feed their flights (AF at CDG, BA/VS at LHR, LH at FRA, IB at MAD, etc). Additionally, they need to partner with other airlines' frequent flyer programs. Without doing this, they will remain an airline that simply transports the Angolan diaspora in and out of Angola.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 10):
Not quite. Not sure about MS, but here is the breakdown for ET and KQ for the year 2016:

ET:
6x 772LR (5 today, 1 more later this year)
2x 773ER (delivery in 2013+)
6x 777F (2 today)

KQ:
4x772ER (all in service today)
3x 773ER (starting in 2013)
2x 772LR (starting in 2014)
4-5x 772F (starting in 2014)
See: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-inhabited-continent-by-2017-71784 for the detailed KQ fleet plans.

Thank you for the correction! My bad for trusting wikipedia.
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 12):
The only reason they fly 2 weekly because they're not allowed to fly more to LAD

I'm sure LHR-LAD will go 3xWeekly soon, and i'm IB started LAD so BA can "fuel" more passengers via MAD.

TAAG also flies to HAV, DXB and PEK.

"TAAG Angola from 27FEB13 to 30MAR13 is adjusting its operation, which sees Brazil service operated by Boeing 777-200ER aircraft while Lisbon switches to all-Boeing 777-300ER operation:

Luanda – Lisbon
DT650 LAD0010 – 0640LIS 77W D
DT651 LIS1000 – 1830LAD 77W x7
DT653 LIS2100 – 0530+1LAD 77W 7

DT656 LAD1015 – 1705OPO1915 – 2000LIS2130 – 0600+1LAD 77W 3

Luanda – Rio de Janeiro
DT741 LAD0745 – 1145GIG 772 7
DT741 LAD1100 – 1500GIG 772 24

DT742 GIG1345 – 0130+1LAD 772 7
DT742 GIG1800 – 0545+1LAD 772 24

Luanda – Sao Paulo
DT745 LAD0815 – 1255GRU 772 x247
DT746 GRU1545 – 0345+1LAD 772 x247"

http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/08/dt-mar13/
 
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RE: Taag Angola To Buy 3 More 773's From Boeing

Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting boeingrulz (Reply 11):

One comenter below the article said that TAAG should not "go back" to flying turboprops instead needed E 190 jets for smaller destinations. Angola is made for turboprops most cities are withing one hour flight from major cities and modern turboprops are far more efficient at one hour stage lengths.

You're right. Other airlines like Air26, SonAir, and Fly540 have realized this too.

Quoting LJ (Reply 12):
The only reason they fly 2 weekly because they're not allowed to fly more to LAD (they would like more traffic rights). Moreover, sometimes they've to codeshare with DT in order to get permission to fly to LAD.

Haha literally every airline flying into LAD has a TAAG code its flights (government mandated). Only in Angola!!

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