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DOT Invites Carriers To Apply For New Brazil Slots

Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:00 pm

DOT has issues notice that it invites carriers to submit application for award of additional rights that are becoming available between the nations.

While the US and Brazil in 2011 reach and agreement to establish openskies, the agreement has stages that slowly liberalize market access through 2016.

Under the agreed terms, the US side is afforded the following additional rights effective October 2013:

Passenger carriers:
o 14 weekly frequencies to any point in Brazil
o 14 weekly frequencies to any Brazil point except Sao Paulo
o 14 weekly frequencies to any Brazil point except Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro.

Cargo carrier rights:
o 14 weekly frequencies to any point in Brazil


Application submissions are due by March 2, 2013.


It is important to note that US side already has 24 unallocated passenger frequencies along with 34 cargo frequencies, however none are available to the coveted Sao Paulo and Rio markets.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:12 pm

Hello B6, you are now at the corner of:



A thread a few weeks ago said they were looking to go to Brazil from FLL, not sure what cities the A320 will make it to from there, but this is an opportunity.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:15 pm

UA should apply for EWR-GIG.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:17 pm

OH can you smell the opportunity CLT ? Brazil the close and welcoming of Americans Emerging market country. Usairways should take advantage of this like a duck to water. A330 to GRU is the goal.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:19 pm

JetBlue could start Brazil tomorrow. As mentioned there are 24 unallocated weekly frequencies available.

These new slot opportunities are really only a beneficial for carriers that seek to serve hard to get access in Rio or Sao Paulo - two markets too far for an A320 (they are ~4100miles)
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Inevitable question: Which are the largest unserved nonstop markets from the US to GRU and GIG, and what are their PDEWs?
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Translation. 14 weekly to GRU. 14 weekly to GIG. 14 additional slots that won't be used at all.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:31 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Inevitable question: Which are the largest unserved nonstop markets from the US to GRU and GIG, and what are their PDEWs?

Good question for GRU. I'm curious if AA would be interested in LAX, since Korean doesn't really count.

I have a feeling that any additional slots would go to adding frequency over new destinations. Other than LAX, I can't think of any other hub that would be able to fill the slots that doesn't have a flight already. Maybe PHL, but that's a long shot with CLT coming.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

OH can you smell the opportunity CLT ? Brazil the close and welcoming of Americans Emerging market country. Usairways should take advantage of this like a duck to water. A330 to GRU is the goal.


US begins CLTGRU in June; not long before AA discontinues it.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
OH can you smell the opportunity CLT ?

Nope, sure cant.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Inevitable question: Which are the largest unserved nonstop markets from the US to GRU and GIG, and what are their PDEWs?

Id have to look, but Im pretty sure Boston is the largest market in the US without nonstop service to Brazil.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
US begins CLTGRU in June; not long before AA discontinues it.

I dont know. CLT-GRU may not be a bad flight if they can get the times right.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 pm

Resumption of the former CO EWR-GIG with a sUA 767-300ER makes sense.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
US begins CLTGRU in June; not long before AA discontinues it.

I dont know. CLT-GRU may not be a bad flight if they can get the times right.

CLT is the third biggest hub in the US based on single airline passenger numbers just behind DFW. There is far more connecting traffic that goes through CLT than MIA, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is still a market even after a merger. It might in fact grow with the AA brand strong in South America and all the connection opportunities in CLT.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:38 pm

LAX-GRU, LAX-GIG, and PHL-GRU (now with the merger) could work for AA. I see them applying to more secondary cities such as Fortaleza, Curitiba, Campinas, and Natal from MIA.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:44 pm

The big three being GIG, GRU and BSB

As WAG's go I can see F9 from asking for DEN-GIG for no other reason than to connect the Olympic training facility in COS.

AS from somewhere but not necessarily SEA Im not sure if the 738 or 739 has the range to fly non-stop SEA- Brazil possibly from ATL or MCI.

I would also think somewhere on the U.S. Canadian border. Other cities/airports in play would be MIA, ATL, NYC, DFW, CLT and LAX

As armchair route planning goes I also wonder if there might be an opportunity for B6 from SJU to any of the Brazil three Possibly using MCO as a launching city. SJU being a U.S. territory should qualify as a U.S. open sky city
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
none are available to the coveted Sao Paulo and Rio markets.

Actually, 7 are immediately available for GIG service.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):

UA should apply for EWR-GIG.
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):

Resumption of the former CO EWR-GIG with a sUA 767-300ER makes sense.

If UA were interested, they would have already started the route, since like I mentioned, there are 7 GIG-eligible frequencies available.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:31 am

Brazil is amazingly important for AA. I wonder if we'll see the maturation of ORD-GRU/GIG service on AA or perhaps additions to secondary markets from DFW or more frequencies from MIA... LAX-GRU perhaps?

I sure hope we'll see a strong submission for new service from AA!
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 12):

LAX-GRU, LAX-GIG, and PHL-GRU (now with the merger) could work for AA. I see them applying to more secondary cities such as Fortaleza, Curitiba, Campinas, and Natal from MIA.


LAXGIG wold never work. PHLGRU makes no sense when AA flies JFKGRU twice a day. LAXGRU I don't think is too far fetched, especially because AA will have 2-class 772s in about a year.

AA has already announced Curitiba. It and Porto Alegre launch in November 2013.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Inevitable question: Which are the largest unserved nonstop markets from the US to GRU and GIG, and what are their PDEWs?

PDEWs - not really that much, other than the New York City area, Miami, and Orlando......

Brazil-U.S.A is a long distance. The flight with the least distance is MIA-MAO, and that is 2400+ milies. Most flights are are in the 4000-5000 miles range.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
CLT is the third biggest hub in the US based on single airline passenger numbers just behind DFW. There is far more connecting traffic that goes through CLT than MIA, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is still a market even after a merger. It might in fact grow with the AA brand strong in South America and all the connection opportunities in CLT.

CLT-GIG is about a total of 20 pax per day, even with its nonstop. CLT-GRU is about another 20 pax per day. Really don't want to be bubble-busting here, but I really have doubts that this flight is going to remain...... in fact..... probably one of the first routes the new AA/US cuts.........

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
It is important to note that US side already has 24 unallocated passenger frequencies along with 34 cargo frequencies, however none are available to the coveted Sao Paulo and Rio markets.

I can see why. Of the top 50 U.S. metro area, the New York City area, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles, Orlando, San Francisco, Washington DC and oddly enough Las Vegas manage anything over 100 pax per day to Sao Paulo ( Boston is at 102, but.....).

And of the 50 top metro areas in the U.S...... other than the NYC area, Miami, and Orlando, Los Angeles and Houston, most major metro area barely manage anything near 50 pax per day in the U.S. - Rio market.......

Unless anyone is predicting that the U.S. - Brazil market is going to be growing in leaps and bounds...... there is currently probably more than enough nonstops in this market.



 
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:38 am

Brazil is a growing market on its own and it will continue to grow especially with the World Cup and the Olympics coming to Brazil in 2014 and 2016 we probably will see AA, DL, UA and US start adding flights into Brazil. I think AA/US will probably add the most flights followed closely by DL then I can see UA adding maybe 1 or 2 flights but UA would probably only add flights to the major cities and leave the secondary cities to AA and DL.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 17):
Unless anyone is predicting that the U.S. - Brazil market is going to be growing in leaps and bounds...... there is currently probably more than enough nonstops in this market.

But it is growing by leaps and bounds. It is has more than tripled in the last three years and growing around 15% annually.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 13):
As WAG's go I can see F9 from asking for DEN-GIG for no other reason than to connect the Olympic training facility in COS.

AS from somewhere but not necessarily SEA Im not sure if the 738 or 739 has the range to fly non-stop SEA- Brazil possibly from ATL or MCI.

I would also think somewhere on the U.S. Canadian border. Other cities/airports in play would be MIA, ATL, NYC, DFW, CLT and LAX

I think you're greatly underestimating how far Brazil is from the USA, especially the western USA. Neither AS nor F9 operates an aircraft that can make it from the 50 states to GRU/GIG non-stop. DEN-GIG is 5085nm, slightly longer than DEN-NRT. Even MIA, which is the closest major US airport to Brazil, is over 3500nm from both GIG and GRU. A potential MIA-GRU would be about 600nm than the world's longest 737 flight, which is of course operated by a 73G.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:06 am

If another destination is served from BSB, I'd be impressed. Currently only connected to ATL and MIA, I could see a NYC-BSB flight. Well, I can at least dream about it.
 
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Quoting point2point (Reply 17):
( Boston is at 102, but.....).

BOS-Brazil is about 150 PDEW and only tertiary markets not even served via MIA have grown at a decent rate but still are small 5-10 PDEW markets.

Clearly not enough for any United States Carrier to jump on a Brazil route.
Not high yielding enough for JJ to try it and connect to other deep South America as well.
Good enough for CM to try BOS-PTY and steal some traffic from AA and DL though!


Maybe someday with a change in US immigration laws, change in Brazilian visa laws, shift in global economics we may see BOS-GRU. It could be 2-3 decades easily.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:18 am

DL will probably apply for LAX-GRU just to get a.netters riled up about dart boards again.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:29 am

Here are the 2011 daily pax numbers of the Top 35 U.S metro areas international markets as from the recent Brookings Institute report "to and from" Sao Paulo and Rio.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation

....metro area..... Sao Paulo.... Rio

1 …. nyc …… 1167 …… 477
2 …. mia …… 1250 …… 354
3 …. lax …… 311 …… 104
4 …. sfo …… 147 …… 58
5 …. ord …… 198 …… 40
6 …. iad …… 134 …… 52
7 …. mco …… 907 …… 363
8 …. bos …… 102 …… 47
9 …. las …… 212 …… 57
10 … hnl …… 10 …… 6
11 … iah …… 67 …… 147
12 … atl …… 77 …… 38
13 … sea …… 31 …… 10
14 … dfw …… 72 …… 27
15 … phl …… 26 …… 11
16 … dtw …… 67 …… 8
17 … den …… 35 …… 15
18 … msp …… 25 …… 7
19 … phx …… 18 …… 7
20 … san …… 50 …… 22
21 … tpa …… 20 …… 14
22 … clt …… 20 …… 19
23 … pdx …… 13 …… 5
24 … bwi …… 9 …… 12
25 … rdu …… 19 …… 6
26 … stl …… 18 …… 4
27 … slc …… 21 …… 7
28 … pit …… 13 …… 5
29 … ind …… 19 …… 3
30 … msy …… 13 …… 17
31 … cle …… 16 …… 4
32 … mci …… 8 …… 3
33 … sat …… 8 …… 5
34 … aus …… 14 …… 6
35 … cvg …… 12 …… 5

…total.......5,129.........1,965



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
But it is growing by leaps and bounds. It is has more than tripled in the last three years and growing around 15% annually.

I think that it's going to have to grow more than that to fill the current available slots that are present......

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 22):
BOS-Brazil is about 150 PDEW

Okay....numbers above here are 2011 pax numbers and are stated as "to and from", so per this report, BOS would have a total of 102 + 47, or 149 here in total "to and from" both Sao Paulo and Rio. However, this is in total, not in each direction, at least this is how I would interpret the "to and from" numbers in this report.


 

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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 15):
I wonder if we'll see the maturation of ORD-GRU

Well, perhaps we could see that. DL going after a second daily ATL-GRU is another possibility. It's also possible that US Airways will apply for CLT-GRU frequencies in order to replace the ones leased from UA. We don't know the details of the contract, but it might include a provision in case of merger or acquisition, so that it would automatically be rescinded.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:54 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
A thread a few weeks ago said they were looking to go to Brazil from FLL, not sure what cities the A320 will make it to from there, but this is an opportunity.

Maybe MAO? Thats about it for ~2500nm from FLL, right?
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:00 am

How about DL JFK-GIG?
 
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Quoting point2point (Reply 24):
Okay....numbers above here are 2011 pax numbers and are stated as "to and from", so per this report, BOS would have a total of 102 + 47, or 149 here in total "to and from" both Sao Paulo and Rio. However, this is in total, not in each direction, at least this is how I would interpret the "to and from" numbers in this report

You are correct - Brookings report is to and from you have to divide all your numbers you crunched by two to get the each way part. Also, #2 market to Brazil from BOS is CNF (and its gone down over the years) not GIG since many Brazilians in Massachusetts are from Governador Valadares which is about 100 mi or so from CNF.

Quoting point2point (Reply 24):
I think that it's going to have to grow more than that to fill the current available slots that are present......

Secondary Brazilian Market Growth to NYC/South Florida and MCO is ridiculous. Also all the US Airlines will have a Brazilian partner in the future for connections.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:05 am

I would love to see someone try a direct VCP flight to avoid GRU traffic and delays.

Maybe DFW, ATL or MIA - VCP?
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Quoting klkla (Reply 23):
DL will probably apply for LAX-GRU just to get a.netters riled up about dart boards again.

Well we all know how well it worked out for DL last time with LAX-GRU.

Lasted what - a whole 7 months along with a suspension for a few weeks in between?

As Delta said in its DOT filing when it requested to move the slots to DTW instead;

"traffic has been much weaker than expected."
"Regretfully the awarded service cannot be economically supported from the Los Angeles gateway."
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting steex (Reply 20):
I think you're greatly underestimating how far Brazil is from the USA,

I do have a geographical snapshot in my mind. I didn't check mileage. It is indeed a haul. Because F9 flies seasonally to SJO I suppose SJO could be used as a refueling stop.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:11 am

Interesting that this is announced now, as it appears one carrier Tam, is actually dropping its day flight to JFK.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:24 am

Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 12):

LAX-GRU, LAX-GIG, and PHL-GRU (now with the merger) could work for AA.

First two could work for DL too.

Quoting reffado (Reply 21):
If another destination is served from BSB, I'd be impressed. Currently only connected to ATL and MIA, I could see a NYC-BSB flight. Well, I can at least dream about it.

What about IAH-BSB

Quoting klkla (Reply 23):
DL will probably apply for LAX-GRU just to get a.netters riled up about dart boards again.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
Well we all know how well it worked out for DL last time with LAX-GRU.

Times change, and this time DL has much more feed at LAX than before. And don't forget DL has sales teams in Brazil now too...
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:27 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 28):
You are correct - Brookings report is to and from you have to divide all your numbers you crunched by two to get the each way part. Also, #2 market to Brazil from BOS is CNF (and its gone down over the years) not GIG since many Brazilians in Massachusetts are from Governador Valadares which is about 100 mi or so from CNF.

Here's the Boston pax numbers to Brazil stated in the report

Sao Paulo……. 102
Belo Horizonte ……. 64
Rio de Janeiro……. 47
Grande Vitoria……. 22
Brasilia…….14
Goiania…….11
Florianopolis…….10
Curitiba…….9

Total........279

So yes, stating that Boston Brazil traffic is at 150 PDEW may be more or less accruate, but it's to about 8 different destinations spread about a country that is quite far away and very large in land area. To have nonstop flights Boston-Brazil, well..... Miami would be a very good connect place...... traffic just isn't large enough for such long flights with Boston.......

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 32):
Interesting that this is announced now, as it appears one carrier Tam, is actually dropping its day flight to JFK.

The irony, eh?

 

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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
Well we all know how well it worked out for DL last time with LAX-GRU.

Lasted what - a whole 7 months along with a suspension for a few weeks in between?

I know. I was only joking. Although the fact that it was only 3 times a week and never promoted also contributed to the failure.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 33):
Times change, and this time DL has much more feed at LAX than before. And don't forget DL has sales teams in Brazil now too...

Well, we can always hope. I tried it a few times when it was running last time and it was a big convenenience for LAX based travelers.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:46 am

I don't think any airline will apply for these frequencies.

All airlines are expecting lower LF for the upcoming months and economic situation do not secure future growth in a sustainable way.

Any new route will mean share the current loads for the routes already being operated.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
US begins CLTGRU in June; not long before AA discontinues it.

Why would AA discontinue CLT to Sao Paulo ? AA has never discontinued a flight to GRU, its been a license to print money for them, why else would they have 4 flights from Miami to GRU Daily.

Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 12):
LAX-GRU, LAX-GIG, and PHL-GRU (now with the merger) could work for AA. I see them applying to more secondary cities such as Fortaleza, Curitiba, Campinas, and Natal from MIA.

All the secondary cities are viable from MIA since 737 and 757 can reach the more northern ones. PHL to GIG and GRU should be a goal, hey if DL can fly from Detroit, PHL should be easy.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:58 am

I think the only way we'll see BOS-GRU anytime soon would be if an Asian carrier like JL had fifth-freedom rights and flew something like NRT-BOS-GRU. I know JL used to do it through JFK and LAX.

FLL-MAO is within range of the A320. MAO does have AA service to MIA. FLL-BEL is about 130 miles longer than BOS-SFO, but BEL doesn't have international service so if B6 starts Brazil service, it will be FLL-MAO.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:21 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 37):
Why would AA discontinue CLT to Sao Paulo ? AA has never discontinued a flight to GRU, its been a license to print money for them, why else would they have 4 flights from Miami to GRU Daily.

CLT-GIG is at much greater risk than CLT-GRU. The Sao Paulo - USA market is overall about double the size of Rio - USA and it is much richer. AA can use CLT-GRU to ensure that every small market in the US served by DL through ATL has an alternative through CLT on AA. I wouldn't count it out right now but anything is possible.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:47 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 18):
We probably will see....US start adding flights into Brazil.

I'll betcha we won't!
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:06 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 13):
AS from somewhere but not necessarily SEA Im not sure if the 738 or 739 has the range to fly non-stop SEA- Brazil possibly from ATL or MCI.

Not a chance. From MIA the 739ER would get its feet wet in the south Amazon. AS has no business doing Brazil, they have codeshares
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:55 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 13):
As WAG's go I can see F9 from asking for DEN-GIG for no other reason than to connect the Olympic training facility in COS.

That's cute... can't make COS-PHX or anywhere else in the US work...so let's drop an Airbus on COS-Brazil... lol
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:12 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 33):
What about IAH-BSB

EWR-BSB is actually a shorter route than IAH-BSB, however it's still outside the 757s range.
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RE: DOT Invites Carriers To Apply For New Brazil Slots

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 42):

F9 seems to do well in Central America seasonally; I hear SJO is really doing well. Thus being the case why not try South America. Do I see in happening in a ULCC model; Not in the immediate future. Possibly as we get closer to 2016 and the Rio games. They were one of the first if not the first to jump on DEN-Mexico service some eight years after the DOT solicited western markets to various Mexico destinations.

It is my understanding PHX is one of F9 better performing markets from the DEN hub. When I checked last they offered six daily DEN-PHX flights
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):

Not to mention EWR-BSB is much larger a local than IAH-BSB. If UA expands Brazil from IAH, it can only be to CNF. No other Brazil route could possibly work from IAH.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:44 pm

Ok ok ill throw my self into the lions den and ask this, how about DL starting MIA-GRU, GIG. Every believer of DL will make MIA into a hub only if they could get GRU-GIG frequencies, well this is as good of an opportunity as any. All joking aside does anybody see AA asking for more GRU frequencies? Can MIA or maybe DFW support more service? I also believe AA would have the best chance of making it out of any of the carrier capable of flying LAX-GRU,GIG. Is this the year we see then try this route?
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:09 pm

It's hard to believe loads are weak with the current fares... Anyway, just my two cents.

Pipeline dreams for me would be any flight to LAX or SFO.

I actually think Delta could give a shot at ATL-CNF, they applied for it in the original opening of frequencies back in 2008, if memory serves me correctly. Better chance to work than ill-fated attempts at FOR and MAO from ATL.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:27 pm

Now that AA is solving their cost problems, I think they should apply for ORD-GRU to compete against UA at ORD and DL at DTW for the connections heading Asia. PEK and PVG are now 2 stops for AA.

However, if TAM finally joins OneWorld and AA intends to form some kind of partership with them, maybe we won't see many more routes to avoid more market concentration and ease its approval.
 
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RE: DOT Invites Carriers To Apply For New Brazil Slots

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 34):
Sao Paulo……. 102
Belo Horizonte ……. 64
Rio de Janeiro……. 47

Never realized Belo was a bigger market than Rio.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 44):
F9 seems to do well in Central America seasonally; I hear SJO is really doing well. Thus being the case why not try South America.

If that is the case, then they should do more C. America. SJO does fine although the LIR flights have hurt the overall LF.
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