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Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:52 am

It appears an Emirates A380 operating EK384 (BKK-HKG) had a slow decompression mid-flight and this article reporting it in the British press is pure comedy, so much so that I had to share it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gged-gap-blankets-says-Briton.html

An atrocious article written by the Daily Mail, even if you're not a fan of Airbus/Emirates the factual inaccuracies are astounding, the bit that gets me the most is the "You could see straight out into the atmosphere, 27,000ft up."

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:55 am

Daily Mail "journalism" at its best. Too funny!
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:17 am

Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 1):
Daily Mail "journalism" at its best. Too funny!

And a passenger angling for a lawsuit against EK, I am sure.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:50 am

"Instead of making an emergency landing..."
In the middle of the Gulf of Tonkin? That would be interesting to say the least. Perhaps a diversion to Hue or Da Nang could have been made but obviously the PIC assessed the situation and determined that the aircraft could safely reach its destination. Obviously there wasn't a sudden, life-threatening decompression as no mention is made of any masks being deployed.

Another odd comment: "cabin crew closed the curtain between business class to stop those in the economy cabin below discovering what was happening."
How would passengers on the lower deck have been able to see what is going on anyway? Clearly the report is full of dramatic exaggeration.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
And a passenger angling for a lawsuit against EK, I am sure.

Definitely. The clue is in the article: "Mr Reid claims he suffered a chest infection following the ordeal and the pair had to cut short their £4,500 trip."

But on a serious note, it is my understanding that in a pressurised cabin that you normally can't open the doors as the cabin pressure effectively pushes it shut, and the quote from Airbus appears to confirm this. So what might have caused the event that leads Emirates to say: ‘We can confirm there was a whistling noise emanating from one of the doors on the A380 upper deck"? Would this be a faulty seal material or with a locking mechanism?
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:57 am

I am weeping in terror after reading this story.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:07 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 3):
But on a serious note, it is my understanding that in a pressurised cabin that you normally can't open the doors as the cabin pressure effectively pushes it shut, and the quote from Airbus appears to confirm this. So what might have caused the event that leads Emirates to say: ‘We can confirm there was a whistling noise emanating from one of the doors on the A380 upper deck"? Would this be a faulty seal material or with a locking mechanism?

Sounds like a combination of both - the locking mechanism failed and that allowed the door to break the seal slightly, which would explain the sound of rushing air and cold.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:48 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Sounds like a combination of both - the locking mechanism failed and that allowed the door to break the seal slightly, which would explain the sound of rushing air and cold.

That's interesting... I thought all modern airliners have "plug" type doors. If that is the case, that would be impossible...
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:57 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 6):
That's interesting... I thought all modern airliners have "plug" type doors. If that is the case, that would be impossible...

They can't be opened at altitude (at least by one person), but this is not the first report of a door seal failing and allowing the door to move back and forth a small amount from outside airflow. As for Mr. Reid's claims...let's just say he sounded "tired and emotional".  Wink

[Edited 2013-02-15 20:00:19]
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:00 am

I am going with Door seal failure. Same thing happened to me on DL MD88 BDL-CVG. We put on masks and dropped altitude slowly. We continued to CVG and got off. If the door opened you would be down to 8 to 10k feet pretty damn quick. So 27000 feet must be a typo? As our flight I am sure the Captain kept the pax informed. What makes me chuckle is the bit where they complain about the use of blankets, what was he expecting an engineer to appear and replace the seal in mid flight. I hope he got over his sniffle!!
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:22 am

Quoting ek433 (Thread starter):

It appears an Emirates A380 operating EK384 (BKK-HKG) had a slow decompression mid-flight and this article reporting it in the British press is pure comedy, so much so that I had to share it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html

Great read, thanks for posting it. Based on this article, aspiring journalists everywhere should feel great about their job prospects. It's an attack on the art of journalism.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:00 am

2:00 hours into a 2:45 flight, where were they going to divert to, Macau??

May aswell start a decent into HKG IMHO
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:35 am

Where do the DM get their facts from? I mean the bubble alone stating the door locking indicator is green for open instead of red for closed. That is an AIP panel. It has nothing to do with the door, it is always located in the vicinity of an interphone on any airbus aircraft. It gives the crew information such has PA in progress, Interphone caller ID, Call-Bell information and smoke in the toilet information. Essentially it is much like a caller display unit on a telephone. Nothing at all to do with the door. The Green light on the display is a good sign, only if it is red would you worry as that denotes a serious call or the smoke in the toilet alert.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:49 am

Good to know that the pax could see the atmosphere from the plane. 
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:16 am

Well, the guy thought it was odd that they used duct tape to fix the plane, he obviously hasn't been to South Carolina.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:21 am

Quoting RicknRoll (Reply 4):

I feel that way about the Daily Mail too.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 11):
Where do the DM get their facts from?

from an orifice that is usually tasked with the disposal of human waste
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:38 am

This story is also being covered by the av hearld, they even reference photos from airliners.net

http://avherald.com/h?article=45dcf5b6&opt=0

Since I own copyright to my own comment I'll repost it here

The Daily Mail is one of the worst newspapers out there, I wouldn't believe this story.

1. Aircraft doors are plug doors, once the aircraft is pressurized it is near to impossible to open them up. If the door opened outwards it probably would have been ripped off with the pressure difference and the speed of the aircraft.

2. If there was a leak in pressure (if a seal broke) the pilots would have known up in the cockpit and would have descended to 10,000 feet or lower. They then would have diverted.

3. Air can get cold in an aircraft, I remember reading a story a few years ago about how cold a Boeing 777 flight was and someone else claimed that it can be hard to maintain certain temperatures on an aircraft due to outside temperature (approximately -50c at 27,000 feet)and air pressure with the aircraft. I will try to find some more information on this.

4. We only see 1 photo of the door, what is to say this isn't totally fabricated by the passenger, he could have seen some blankets on the ground pushed them to the door and just took one photo.

5. An A380 only cruising at FL270? Doesn't that seem a bit low or can someone confirm this was the actual cruising flight level on that day. I see teh Avhearld has it at FL410

6. The separation of business and economy on an EK A380 is not be a curtain, its a completely different level.

I have a PPL and good enough knowledge of commercial aircraft, not enough for me to call myself an expert on every aircraft but I can call this Daily Mail story BS!!!

I have been corrected on the air con issue, please feel free to correct me on any other part of my comment. Another theory is that something could have been faulty with an air con duct in that area of the aircraft pumping out too much cold air and that's where the noise came from.

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:54 am

Quoting grimey (Reply 16):
5. An A380 only cruising at FL270? Doesn't that seem a bit low or can someone confirm this was the actual cruising flight level on that day. I see teh Avhearld has it at FL410

According to a previous comment, they weren't far from landing anyway, so maybe not at cruise level.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:00 am

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 11):
Where do the DM get their facts from?

Since when are the Daily Mail interested in facts? They'll print whatever the hell they like that fits the agenda for the day.

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:02 am

'She ran up the aisle, grabbed the intercom and started screaming, “The door’s going to go, the door’s going to go!” Then she hid under her chair.

How can an FA fit under an aircraft seat? Or 'chair' as they call it?
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:16 am

Quoting RicknRoll (Reply 17):
According to a previous comment, they weren't far from landing anyway, so maybe not at cruise level.

Your right about that, I had posted them comments on the av hearld before here.

The daily mail is after updating the story with more pictures

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gged-gap-blankets-says-Briton.html

"Safely landed: Crew are pictured inside the super jumbo airliner at Hong Kong after it flew in from Thailand with the passenger door partly opened"

It doesn't look that bad especially since the door in question was on the other side of the aircraft, on another level

"Ordeal: A relieved passenger checks his hand baggage on arrival in Hong Kong"

wow no one ever does this after a flight, maybe he is just putting a book or an IPad back into his case or getting his passport ready.

With 3 photos of this so called incident showing no incident I'm sure the daily mail will be able to fabricate some photos or videos of the flight attendants running around giving out blankets and hiding under "chairs"

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:47 am

This story has to be the funniest piece I´ve read in a long time. But what is disturbing is that even the most basic elements of aviation and physics are completely re-written and published without any care to portray the truth (but I suppose this is journalism). A shame that most readers will believe this load of BS. What is even more disturbing is that the passenger, who is supposed to be the holder of a PPL, has given his name (and his son´s name) to this piece. If there´s any lawsuit to be had, it should be from Mr. Reid against the DM. Surely he didn´t say those things??

"Freezing air blasted in and the cabin pressure plunged after the door in business class came an inch and a half ajar, leaving a gaping hole." "Air was gushing into the cabin like a gale."

Yeah right! Even the most basic knowledge of physics will tell you that air pressure equalises by flowing from high pressure to low pressure. Complete fabrication of the truth here I´m afraid. Even if the cabin pressure differential was equalised with atmosphere (which wasn´t the case - no O2 masks were dropped), laminar flow would still prevent any inwards flow into the cabin.

"...., instead of making an emergency landing, the crew decided to stuff blankets and pillows stuck together with gaffer tape into the hole and continue the flight despite a horrendous droning noise and sub-zero temperatures."

Wow that´s just astonishing! Two hours into a 2:45hr flight and you want to divert? A descent and approach from FL410 will take approximately 30 minutes anyway, so this aircraft and crew were probably close to preparing for their arrival. There was no emergency here. Was the aircraft in any real danger? It wasn´t depressurising greater than the aircon packs could overcome, there was no need to make an emergency descent and drop the O2 masks. Just plug the door and get on with business.
In the old days plugging up a door with wet rags was pretty common to stop the high pitch squeal and small pressure leakages. We did it all the time.

"the cabin crew started grabbing blankets and pillows which they stuck together with duct tape to fill the gap. He added: ‘This is a state-of-the-art plane but they were using the most crude method you could imagine to try and plug the hole."
"The conditions were terrible for the rest of the flight. The door continued to make a horrendously loud droning sound which made it impossible to speak to each other."

It may be a crude method but extremely effective. I guess he´d have preferred they do nothing to quell the noise.

"An Emirates spokesman said: ‘We can confirm there was a whistling noise emanating from one of the doors on the A380 upper deck on flight EK384 between Bangkok and Hong Kong on Monday, February 11. At no point was the safety of the flight in jeopardy."
"An Airbus spokesman said: ‘It is not possible for a cabin door to open on an A380 or on any aircraft whilst in flight, as doors open inwards and have locking mechanisms."

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:06 am

What a load of BS. Slow news day apparently.

The picture reminds me of the door covers at least Swiss has on their rear doors on the A343's. They have red blankets covering the rear doors during the flights so that the galley area wouldn't get so cold (they have chillers for the trolleys going to whole time).

Seeing the EK might not be so forward thinking when it comes to cabin crew well being could't this be a makeshift solution to keep the galleys somewhat warmer?

Quoting swallow (Reply 19):
'She ran up the aisle, grabbed the intercom and started screaming, “The door’s going to go, the door’s going to go!” Then she hid under her chair.

How can an FA fit under an aircraft seat? Or 'chair' as they call it?

In reality she probably was fetching the manual release tool for the oxygen masks. They are usually located underneath jump seats.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:18 am

It can't be a real Daily Mail story because it doesn't use the words 'breath-taking' 'stunning' or 'heart-stopping'.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:31 am

Emirates should sue Daily Mail for libel, really hurt them.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:42 am

The Daily Mail should stick to being racist, hating the poor and claiming things cause cancer, they're good at that.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:51 am

The bubble pointing to the Attendant Information Panel (AIP) has nothing to do with door status on any Airbus aircraft no less, the A380. As another poster advised this is used as an Evacuation command (flashing red), Smoke Event (flashing red), 'EMER' call (steady red or flashing if from flightdeck) and all other cabin intercommunications (station to station calls, call bells etc - steady green).

Door status on all A380s is displayed on the door itself on the Door Locking Indicator (Locked/Unlocked) and aft of the door on the Door Slide Indicator Panel (DSIP) which displays 'Locked', 'Unlocked', 'Fully Open' and 'Slide Not Ready' along with 'Open' and 'Close' pushbuttons. The door status is also shown on the Flight Attendant Panel (FAP) on the Door/Slide page and on the flightdeck.

It's worth noting that if the flight was 2 hours into the flight, it was only an hour or less from it's destination.

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:43 pm

The readers' comments on the article are almost as entertaining as the piece itself. Most are about as scathing as the comments here. Looks like I might have to review my long-held opinion that an intelligent Daily Mail reader is a contradiction in terms!
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting lucce (Reply 22):
The picture reminds me of the door covers at least Swiss has on their rear doors on the A343's. They have red blankets covering the rear doors during the flights so that the galley area wouldn't get so cold (they have chillers for the trolleys going to whole time).

Yes those inflatable things do keep the galley warmer. Is LX the only airline having such a device? I suppose chillers on all galleys will be on all the time, not just for LX.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:52 pm

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 11):
I mean the bubble alone stating the door locking indicator is green for open instead of red for closed. That is an AIP panel. It has nothing to do with the door, it is always located in the vicinity of an interphone on any airbus aircraft.

Thanks for explaining this. I´ve only worked on 737s. At first I thought it had something to do with pressurisation, it seemed too easy for it to just mean open or closed!

Quoting grimey (Reply 16):
1. Aircraft doors are plug doors, once the aircraft is pressurized it is near to impossible to open them up.

  

Quoting swallow (Reply 19):
How can an FA fit under an aircraft seat? Or 'chair' as they call it?

Hahaha! True, not a lot of space under there..& seeing as you have to sit on most jumpseats to pull the actual seat down..

I saw this in the news last night & just could not believe it...what did he expect the cabin crew to do?!

The sooner the general public know that it is impossible for doors to open when pressurised the better!
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:02 pm

"He added: ‘This is a state-of-the-art plane but they were using the most crude method you could imagine to try and plug the hole."

Of course...they actually should have used the on-board CNC machine tools to manufacture a new door-latch mechanism and install it, rather than gaffer tape and blankets!
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:02 pm

My guess would be catering dropped something near the door seal, and prevented it from functioning correctly. The door will not open as they are plug type doors, however there is a seal between the door and the fuselage, and when items get caught between preventing the seal from attaining its correct shape, it is not uncommon for a whistling noise to develop. Even a small pebble has done this to me in the past.

In term of pressurisation, the outflow vales on something like n A330 are about the size of a cabin window(it has two of them), the pressurisation system can easily cope with one of these fully open in flight. The A380 would be capable of delivering even more air, so it would not have even been noticed IMHO.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:41 pm

This report by the Daily Mail is an insult to the intelligence of many ... and an affront to the professionalism of many journalists who strive to report accurately.

Perhaps the Daily Mail and its journalist (Tom Kelly) could now undertake an investigative report on whether David and Lewis Reid have a specific reason for wanting to cut short their trip ... and check on David Reid's record to see if he had a chest infection even before boarding this flight (or even before embarking on this trip).

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:51 pm

Quoting grimey (Reply 20):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gged-gap-blankets-says-Briton.html

On the fourth picture, did anybody noticed the writing on the back of the man servicing the plane? BFS = Bangkok Flight Services. So the picture was not taken on arrival to HKG.
I see few items at the door but no duct tape.

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:55 pm

This news has made it to Hong Kong local news this evening with the same pictures posted from Daily Mail!

Now I wonder what Apple Daily (HK version of Daily Mail/NY Post) will say tomorrow morning (Sunday papers here locally).

Thanks for sharing the original source though!

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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:14 pm

Despite all the contradictory information, errors of fact, distortions and omissions in the Daily Fail's report, one thing would appear to be borne out by the photographic evidence - the headrest covers are changed on a regular basis as we can see this being done in the photo that SOBHI51 has drawn our attention to.

Congratulations to Emirates for this attention to hygiene.  

Thanks also to those posters who have commented on the location of the door status indicator panel and what the indicator shown actually is.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
They can't be opened at altitude (at least by one person), but this is not the first report of a door seal failing

No, it's not. Here is a great little story about when something similar happened on a commercial VC10 flight - along with what they did to correct it - it's not too dissimilar to the Emirates story. The story is by the Flight Engineer on the aircraft at the time - give it a read!  http://www.vc10.net/Memories/testing_earlydays.html#VIPTampax

Also, a VC10 lost a door once and you can see why in this little story -

http://www.vc10.net/History/incident...oor_opens_in_flight_-_20_June_1965

So no, it's not the first report of a door seal failing at all. The article is completely overblown and hysterical - and some of the comments under it by the public are unbelievable.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting swallow (Reply 19):
How can an FA fit under an aircraft seat? Or 'chair' as they call it?

Especially in Business Class or First Class where there is no space under any seat units? Unless she folded down her crew seat and sat under that?  
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Similar to the flight I was on, EK5 Jan 13 A6-EDH (not sure if it's the same aircraft mentioned in the article). It was the exit on the right between the two business class cabins.

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._10152404002240459_286613973_n.jpg
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:53 pm

The fact that the FA's in the photos are wearing their full uniforms with their hats and everything proves that nothing that happened on the flight was enough to cause any sort of concern amongst the crew, or that there was any sort of emergency that would require their full and undivided attention. Such terrible reporting!

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 24):
Emirates should sue Daily Mail for libel, really hurt them.

Unfortunately, this is the problem with media laws in the UK - even if a plaintiff succeeds in any action against a newspaper, the compensation awarded would rarely exceed a 5 figure sum, which the DM could probably recover with one full page ad. The terrible reporting just continues!
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:14 pm

If anyone else was shocked as to the poor quality of this article and blatant inaccuracies then I encourage you to make your case to the Press Complaints Commission in the UK, you can make a complaint online at the link below:

http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:26 pm

I'm no expert, but Airbus doors aren't the same plug type as most - but not all - Boeing doors, correct?

757, 747, 737 and earlier Boeing planes have what I've always thought of as plug style doors, in which the door physically is larger than the hole in the fuselage, and opens into the cabin slightly, then is swung outward at an angle to fit through the hole.

All Airbus doors, and 777 and 787, open directly outward. These have a mechanism of latches on the door that seem to hook onto the fuselage around doorway. So are they plug type as well, or work differently? But both types require equalized pressure to open?

Of course, the 767, DC-10 and L-1011 are different in that they don't open out at all.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:59 pm

Oh the Serbian media is not far behind... one of the trashiest newspapers in Serbia, Blic, published an even worse version.

Their title: 'Drama at 8,000 meters: the aircraft flew with an open door, the hole was closed with blankets'.

I am glad that they can not distinguish between a hole and an open door...

The article then states that a large part of the flight was spent with the door open and though the official reason is still unknown the passengers believe there was an explosion. After a few paragraphs of collective epic failure they state that the door was opened by 4 cm.

D. Milojkovic who wrote the article should be immediately exiled to Siberia.

http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/368021...nim-vratima-rupu-zapusili-cebadima
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:43 pm

With about a half hour left of flying, where on earth would they divert to?? Stupid, stupid article, and stupid, stupid people.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 41):
So are they plug type as well, or work differently? But both types require equalized pressure to open?

Yes, they are plug type. The pressurisation loads are taken on a row of pressure pads and stops all around the door. To open the door, the door must be moved inwards slightly, then lifted clear of the stops before moving out. B777 and 787 are the same idea. A really tiny diff pressure keeps the door closed.

A non-plug door is the average freight door on a B747 B777 A320 A330 etc etc. These are attached by a piano hinge at the top, and held by latches at the bottom.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
They can't be opened at altitude (at least by one person),

But if two weightlifters get hold of the door handle and try and open it, the door handle shear pin will fail, and they will move the handle, but not the door.
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:48 pm

The Daily Mail story has now been significantly updated since the original version posted, it was only a matter of time before Emirates came forward with a statement!

"At no time during the flight did one of the upper deck doors open. There was also no loss in cabin pressurisation at any time during the flight. The noise from the door was caused by a small dimensional difference between the inflated door seal and the door lower frame striker plate, when the door is in the closed position. This is currently under investigation in conjunction with Airbus. Emirates have now fixed the problem. The blankets were placed around the door to abate the whistling sound emanating from the door, not to prevent the door from opening. There was no point during the incident where the safety of the flight was in jeopardy. In addition, the green light next to the door does not represent that the door is open. It is an Attendant Indication Panel and is used for communication information for the Cabin Crew."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gged-gap-blankets-says-Briton.html
 
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:15 pm

'There was a huge blast... air was rushing into the cabin like a gale'

Yes of course, gales of wind will rush *into* a pressurised vessel from a low pressure environment. Kind of when you open a coke bottle and air rushes *into* it... Duh.

What a load of rubbish sensationalist reporting. Dont miss the UK rags...
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 27):
The readers' comments on the article are almost as entertaining as the piece itself. Most are about as scathing as the comments here. Looks like I might have to review my long-held opinion that an intelligent Daily Mail reader is a contradiction in terms!

  

I was actually impressed by the astuteness of the commenters. They see this article for what it is as well. If you navigate to the article's comments section and click "Best rated," you'll see what we're talking about.

It's a bit refreshing to see commenters with some common sense. If this was a CNN article, the comments section would've already descended into a politics-fueled fray about the Illuminati or some other ridiculous conversation.
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:25 pm

They haven't fixed that yet? Took that flight back in August and the same thing happened.
(Going to sell that story to the DM. They might actually believe me.)

Quoting AA94 (Reply 47):
Yes of course, gales of wind will rush *into* a pressurised vessel from a low pressure environment. Kind of when you open a coke bottle and air rushes *into* it... Duh.

lol
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RE: Emirates A380 Slow Cabin Decompression

Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:40 pm

Wow. I'm not sure what else there is to say....

The pictures are good enough by themselves, as noted above the photo "after arrival in HKG" was, in fact, in BKK; and as for the "passenger checking his hand baggage", what was he doing? Seeing whether his passport had blown away?!?
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