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Picture Of First A320 Sharklet For Lufthansa

Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:49 am

Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/201302147797m1200.jpg
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:56 am

Looks sharp!

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:52 am

When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA? Will it be used on some longer flights?
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:00 am

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:51 am

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):

looks awesome, cant wait to jump on it for a ride and see if passengers can tell the difference!

They won't. There's enough variability from one flight to the next that the sharklets wouldn't alter the "feel" of the takeoff or landing to the passengers.

I've been on many 737's and 757's before and after winglets and it makes no difference to the passenger other than looking cool out the window.

In fact, I recently flew aboard a HA 717 and I found it rather quaint that it had no wingtip devices at all.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:59 am

Looks hot and sharp 

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:11 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?

According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:22 am

Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:29 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:33 am

Quoting LH422 (Reply 6):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):When will it join the fleet, will it be based in MUC or FRA?
According to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ it and another sharklet A320 will join the fleet February 28. Don't know at which hub though.

Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:37 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?

And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

They do to some extent. Nonetheless each aircraft has its own home base.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:38 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Yes, but not that often. And aircraft will be based at either FRA or MUC and fly routes from that airport. Every now and then an aircraft is moved to the other hub.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:39 am

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 10):
And don't rule out HAM, DUS, TXL, STR and CGN

I wonder if there will be any birds left at these bases when the new 4U restructuring is complete.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

EK413

Its just nomenclature. Airbus couldn't call it winglets or they'd be said to be stealing the idea from Boeing. So sharklets it is.

The big advantage of the new devices is higher take-off weight, longer range and lower fuel burn. All things that airlines want. Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:36 am

Very nice...

Anyone else think it looks like it's sticking its finger up at the photographer?!
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:51 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;"

Marketing and copyright reasons. Airbus can't use the Boeing term, additionally Airbus would not want to be seen to be copying Boeing.......which is how the public may view it.

I really like the original design which was actually quite similar to a shark dorsal fin....it did look good. The final design is just like the winglets on the B737/B757

[Edited 2013-02-18 03:28:51]
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:58 am

It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:59 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 7):
Why is it called a sharklet? Looks just like a winglet to me.

It's just a marketing name so they can call it anything then want. Some of the earlier designs looked more like actual shark fins but the final one chosen just ended up looking like existing designs.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
Found this picture on the internet of the first A320 for Lufthansa, thought I share this with you:
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8012/2...0.jpg

I am currently in China and cannot open that link. Maybe it's too large, maybe something different. Do you have an alternative link? Was it posted on one of the typical Hamburg spotter forums?

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
It looks fine.......but they could have made it look much better by painting the Sharklets blue and maybe even putting the Lufthansa Crane on them.

Sounds good, like TK does and - correct me if I am wrong - Condor as well.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years

On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:34 am

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets. It looks like the wing is to the current(sharklet ready) standard.

The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
I was of the opinion that it was not a retrofit option. Obviously I must read more.

There will be two "types" of retrofits so to speak:

1. Newer A320s were built with new wing structures which which will allow for a quick switch to sharklets, no work is required on the wing structure itself. Basically this was an interim solution since testing and approval for the sharklets was not complete, however, its benefits were obvious.

2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

So we should see quite a few 320s that were built in the last year or so flying with sharklets in the near future.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:45 am

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
Just to clarify, I don't think this a true retrofit. It's just replacing the wing fences with sharklets


That sounds like a retrofit, here's the definition:

ret·ro·fit (rtr-ft)
v. ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting, ret·ro·fits
v.tr.
1. To provide (a jet, automobile, computer, or factory, for example) with parts, devices, or equipment not in existence or available at the time of original manufacture.
2. To install or fit (a device or system, for example) for use in or on an existing structure, especially an older dwelling.
v.intr.
1. To fit into or onto equipment already in existence or service.
2. To substitute new or modernized parts or systems for older equipment:

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retrofit
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:13 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Airbus couldn't call it winglets

The Airbus wide bodies have winglets.....

OK but this is the A320, not the WB. I think you have to take my comment tongue in cheek and not so literally.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:48 pm

Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Very nice, thank you! Hope it comes to DUB  
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
Very nice! I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 25):
I can't wait till B6 get their A320/321 with winglets.

I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Boeing have winglets, Airbus have sharklets 

Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Anyway, I guess I just like the Wingtip Fences better on the Airbus planes and Winglets for the Boeing aircraft.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 29):
Wouldn't it be Airbii in this case?

Only if Airbus changed their name to Airbius.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:42 pm

Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!   
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 27):
JetBlue will be introducing thier first A320 with sharklets this week at a company ceremony at the hangar in JFK.

Well, I live in Manhattan but I didn't get an invite...very bummed.  
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:35 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 28):
I thought B6's A321's were going to be legacy with NO sharklets?

While the future orders for NEO's may have the option to convert 320s to 321s, the current order for B6's stardard A321 is with sharklets. None of them will be delivered with wingtip fences AFAIK.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:05 pm

it looks good but they could've painted the sharklets with the color used on the tail.

some one needs to tell airlines that not everything needs to painted white  
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:47 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
2. Older A320s will need to have more extensive work done on the wing structure itself before the sharklets can be attached. Might not see too many A320s undergoing this fix, however, if I'm not mistaken airbus already has a plan ready for how this work is to be done if any airlines do opt for it.

JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
Looks sharp!
Quoting musapapaya (Reply 3):
looks awesome,
Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Looks hot and sharp

Looks like a Boeing to me. Hey Airbus, the party started years ago....

Quoting wjv04 (Reply 35):
Looks about 10 years behind Boeing
Quoting c5load (Reply 31):
Looks like the big brother of the E-190 now!

Yep. Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:41 am

Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:49 am

Quoting c5load (Reply 31):

Ha! Was thinking the same thing! Though, that is not bad company to be in.

Seriously, that plane looks great.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 2):
will it be based in MUC or FRA?
Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt LH rotate their short haul birds throughout the whole system?

Hm... They kind of rotate, but some stay at their designated hubs. Like the obvious ones - A380, B747 at FRA, A346/3 in MUC. But some get switched from time to time - D-AIRX (LH retro livery) just switched to MUC now.
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 13):
Expect a lot of A320s to be retrofitted in the next few years, so you'll see a lot more airlines with these sharklets who don't necessarily have them on order right now.

I understand that the retrofit involves strengthening the wing to handle the increased bending moment better. How is this done?
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:07 am

I'm happy to see. The Sharlets took quite a bit longer to arrive on the A320 than I thought, but it is good to see them shipping.

Quoting flood (Reply 19):
On that note, JetBlue just received their first sharklets and will start retrofit work on N821JB today.
http://twitpic.com/c4djt2

Thank you. Interesting little 'kit.'

Quoting overcast (Reply 20):
The proper retrofit, including wing mods, will not be available till later this year.

   But one thing at a time.

Quoting Av8tor (Reply 35):
JetBlue wil retro all of their aircraft. The structural work will be done by business partners during heavy checks and then the sharklets will be installed by JetBlue's tech-ops team.

Now that is interesting. It makes sense. They had (still have?) the longest average narrow body flights in the US, so they will benefit tremendously from the sharklets.

Hopefully these become common quickly.

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Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 37):
Looks Cool! Makes the A320 certainly stand out in the crowd!

Really? Airbus finally puts winglets on the A320 like Boeing and Embraer have been using for years and all of a sudden the A320 looks different from the rest? What are you looking at?
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:51 am

Updated photo of the B6 A320

http://twitpic.com/c4w3a6
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 am

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 43):

Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see it at JFK when I do my commutes!  
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:10 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36):
Funny how Airbus finally figured out that the winglets of Boeing and Embraer are superior to those little fences used in prior attempts.

The sharkets are optimised for performance benefits on longer sector. I guess that operators with short sectors will not require sharklets and will be happy to stick with wingtip fences.

In regard to your obvious disdain, note that the A320 has competed toe to toe with the B737NG for many years now using 'only those little fences'....the introduction of sharklets means the A320 has gotten a little bit better...which is not good for NG sales. The sharklet option also adds a few % performance bonus to the NEO when it enters service in competition to the MAX.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:16 pm

Looks good, though I agree that they should have at least put the logo on it...
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:27 am

What are the airlines going to do with all those spare Wingtip Fences once their A32X fleets have had their retrofits done?
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:32 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 47):

People on this site will try to buy one...!

But on a serious note, I reckon they'll just become spare parts for other wingtip-equipped planes
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:19 am

Monarch A320, first with sharklets.