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OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:17 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K STT-SJU APR 9>10

AA DFW-YVR JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA MIA-RTB JUL 0.1>0.3

AC CVG-YYZ APR 1.7>1.4
AC DEN-YYZ APR 2>1.9
AC MCO-YYZ OCT 1.7>3
AC MKE-YYZ APR 1.7>1.4
AC MSP-YYZ APR 4>3
AC STL-YYZ APR 1.7>1.6

AM JFK-MEX APR 5>4
AM LAS-MEX APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>2
AM LAX-GDL APR 1.1>1.3
AM ORD-MEX APR 1.8>3
AM SMF-GDL APR 0.5>0.7

*AS PDX-FAI JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AS PDX-LAX JUL 5>6
Interesting. I remember when they had 3rts. Pressure on F9?
*AS SEA-DEN JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
AS SEA-FAI JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AS SEA-SAN JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9

AZ LAX-FCO OCT 0.8>0.5
AZ MIA-FCO SEP 1.0>0.9

VX response
*B6 AUS-SFO JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
Probably also VX related
*B6 FLL-SFO JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 0.8>1.7
B6 JFK-BQN APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.1
B6 JFK-SDQ MAY 4>5 JUN 5>6 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 5>6 OCT 4>5
B6 JFK-STI MAY 5>6 JUN 6>7 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 6>7 OCT 5>6

BB SJU-DOM APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB SJU-EIS APR 8>6 MAY 8>6 JUN 8>6 JUL 8>6 AUG 8>6 SEP 0>6 OCT 0>6
BB SJU-FDF APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.5
BB SJU-PTP APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6
BB SJU-STT APR 2>5 MAY 2>5 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5 AUG 2>5 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB SJU-STX APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4
BB SJU-VIJ SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB SJU-VQS APR 0.4>1.3 MAY 0.5>1.5 JUN 0.4>1.4 JUL 0.4>1.4 AUG 0.5>1.5 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB STT-SJU APR 3>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STT-STX APR 1.1>8 MAY 1.0>7 JUN 0>7 JUL 0>7 AUG 0>7 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STX-SJU APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STX-VQS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB VQS-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

DL ATL-DEN JUL 9>8
DL ATL-EVV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
DL ATL-EWN JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
DL ATL-ILM JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL ATL-JAN JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-LAS JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
DL ATL-MGM APR 10>9 JUL 10>9
DL ATL-OAJ JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL ATL-TLH JUN 9>11 JUL 9>11 AUG 8>10 SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
DL ATL-TRI JUL 7>8
DL ATL-YYC JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
DL CVG-BWI JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
DL CVG-MDT JUN 1.4>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN JUN 1.7>1.1 JUL 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-YYZ JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.5 AUG 3>1.5 SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7
DL DTW-ATL JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11
DL DTW-AVP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
DL DTW-EVV JUL 5>4
DL DTW-PIT JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL DTW-PVD JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL DTW-RSW JUL 3>2.0
DL FNT-MSP JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.8
DL JFK-BOS JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
DL JFK-DTW JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-PHX JUN 1.8>1.2 JUL 1.8>1.0
DL JFK-YYZ APR 1.9>2
DL JFK-ZRH JUN 1.0>0.5
DL LAN-MSP JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3
*DL LAX-ANC JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
*DL LAX-BOS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0
DL LAX-GDL JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 0.4>0.5 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1
*DL LAX-GEG JUL 0>1.0
*DL LAX-PVR JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL LGA-BGR MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL LGA-CHS MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
DL MEM-SEA JUL 0>0.9
DL MSP-SDF JUN 3>4 JUL 4>5
DL MSP-YWG JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
DL SFO-HNL JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.1>1.0
DL SLC-RAP JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.9>3

F9 COU-MCO MAY 0.5>0.1
F9 GSO-MCO MAY 0.3>0.1

Following is a comparison of F9's Summer schedule versus 2012
Looks like DE is down 27 rts or so...
F9 BMI-MCO JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.1
F9 COS-LAX JUN 0.9>0 JUL 0.8>0 AUG 0.9>0
F9 COS-PHX JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
F9 DCA-OMA JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 1.9>1.0
F9 DEN-ATL JUN 3>0.9 JUL 3>1.0 AUG 3>1.0
F9 DEN-BLI JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-BNA JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.9
F9 DEN-BZN JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.3
F9 DEN-COS JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0
F9 DEN-CVG JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
F9 DEN-CZM JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1
F9 DEN-DAY JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
F9 DEN-DFW JUN 7>5 JUL 7>5 AUG 6>5
F9 DEN-DRO JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DSM JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.3
F9 DEN-DTW JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.0 AUG 3>1.3
F9 DEN-FLL JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.4>1.0
F9 DEN-GEG JUN 3>1.0 JUL 3>1.3 AUG 3>1.6
F9 DEN-IAH JUN 0>3 JUL 1.3>3
F9 DEN-LAS JUN 7>5 JUL 7>5 AUG 7>6
F9 DEN-LAX JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
F9 DEN-LGA JUN 4>1.8 JUL 4>1.9 AUG 4>1.8
F9 DEN-LIT JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-MDW JUN 5>3 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>3
F9 DEN-MSP JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
F9 DEN-MSY AUG 0.6>0.4
F9 DEN-OKC JUL 3>2
F9 DEN-OMA JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
F9 DEN-PHF JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.5
F9 DEN-SBA JUN 1.6>0.8 JUL 1.5>0.9 AUG 1.3>0.9
F9 DEN-SEA JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
F9 DEN-TPA AUG 0.6>0.4
F9 DEN-TYS JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 MCI-DCA JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 2.0>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
F9 MCI-DEN JUN 5>4
F9 MCO-MDT JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.3
F9 MDW-TTN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8
F9 MKE-DEN JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
F9 ORD-MBJ JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0.3>0.1
F9 ORD-PUJ JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0.2>0.5
F9 RDU-TTN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8
F9 RFD-CUN JUN 0>0.2
F9 STL-HUX JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1
F9 STL-MBJ JUN 0>0.3

HA HNL-KOA MAR 18>19 APR 19>20 MAY 19>20
HA HNL-OGG MAR 26>25 APR 26>25 MAY 26>25
*HA OAK-HNL JUN 0.5>0.8 JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.6>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0
HA OGG-KOA APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

JJ JFK-GRU APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

JQ HNL-SYD OCT 0.2>0.8

LA JFK-LIM MAR 1.6>1.3
LA MHC-PMC JUL 0.1>0.5 OCT 0>0.4
*LA MIA-BOG MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
LA SFO-LIM APR 1.1>0.6 MAY 1.2>0.6 JUN 1.1>0.6 JUL 1.1>0.5 AUG 1.2>0.6 SEP 1.1>0.6

P1 SJU-PUJ JUN 0.0>0.2

UA CLE-CMH JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA CLE-MDT JUL 3>1.7
UA CLE-MHT JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.6>3
UA DEN-CLE JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA DEN-CVG JUN 1.0>1.7
UA DEN-PHX JUL 5>4
*UA DEN-SGU JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
UA DEN-YEG JUL 2>3
*UA EWR-ANC JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
UA EWR-YYZ JUN 9>8
UA IAD-ALB JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA IAD-CAE JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA IAD-CLE JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA IAD-PWM JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
*UA IAD-YQB AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
UA IAH-GUA JUL 3>4
UA IAH-MTY JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
UA IAH-SJD JUN 2>3
UA LAX-IPL APR 1.9>0.4
*UA LAX-SGU APR 0.9>0.2 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0
UA ORD-BZN JUL 3>4 AUG 1.9>3
Everybody is just pounding on VX. Not surprising they are losing money.
*UA SFO-ANC JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 0.8>2
Holy god. How many trips in this market now???
*UA SFO-AUS MAY 4>5 JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA SFO-GEG MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
UA SFO-MFR JUL 5>6 AUG 6>7
UA SFO-OTH JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2

US DCA-ILM APR 1.1>2.0 MAY 1.1>2 JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.1>2 AUG 1.1>2 SEP 0.4>1.2 OCT 0.3>1.1
US DCA-OMA APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9
US PHL-VCE OCT 0.8>1.0

*VX ANC-SFO JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
*VX AUS-SFO JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
VX BOS-LAX JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2.0>3
VX BOS-SFO JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2.0>3
*VX FLL-SFO MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.4
**VX MCO-SFO MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.2 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
VX ORD-SFO MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
PHL was so overserved with their inital schedule
*VX PHL-SFO MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2.0>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
VX SFO-PVR JUN 0.2>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3

VX YOY comparison vs 2012
VX BOS-LAX JUL 3>2.0
VX BOS-SFO JUL 4>2.0 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
VX DCA-SFO JUL 0>1.0
VX EWR-LAX JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
VX EWR-SFO JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
VX IAD-SFO JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
VX JFK-LAX JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5
VX JFK-SFO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4
VX LAS-LAX JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>4
VX LAS-SFO JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7 SEP 8>7
VX LAX-CUN AUG 0.8>0.6
VX LAX-ORD JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2
VX LAX-PHL JUL 3>2 AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.9
VX LAX-SJC JUL 0>4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4
VX ORD-SFO JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2.0
VX PDX-SFO JUL 1.8>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.0
VX SFO-CUN JUL 0.4>0.1 AUG 0.4>0.2
VX SFO-PVR JUL 0.7>0.1 AUG 0.7>0.2 SEP 0.5>0.0

WN doing more interim schedule changes
WN FLL-HOU MAR 2>3
WN HOU-JAX MAY 1.0>1.8
WN HOU-PHX MAY 4>5
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-EWN JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4

Dear Delta,

Can you please add the following:

EWN-BWI 0>1
EWN-LGA 0>1
EWN-MCO 0>1

I don't think that's asking too much... EWN really needs more destinations that just to Atlanta.. it's so hard to get there without it taking 6 hours when it would only be a 50 minute flight or so..

Thanks,

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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Dear Delta,

Can you please add the following:

EWN-BWI 0>1
EWN-LGA 0>1
EWN-MCO 0>1

Nothing personal, but why would DL add flights from EWN to two cities that aren't hubs for DL?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-RAP JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.9>3

another short seasonal route probably a good move for Delta. Really cash in on this cities with low LCC competition when the people want to fly you get high fares

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-BOS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0
DL LAX-GDL JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 0.4>0.5 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1


Looks seasonal and a very short season at that maybe?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I don't think that's asking too much... EWN really needs more destinations that just to Atlanta.

"It looks like a significant amount of daily service is also offered to between EWN and CLT.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-LGA JUN 4>1.8 JUL 4>1.9 AUG 4>1.8

I have said this for along time on here. This route is the opposite of a gold mine for Frontier or United or Delta. DEN-LGA maybe use to be high fare but that is the past. the times when united printed money on this route is far gone. Peak summer at that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Frontier leave LGA
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-GEG MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0

This is interesting. Does this mean that GEG will only be served from DEN now? Surely they didn't get scared off by DL adding GEG-LAX.

[Edited 2013-02-18 09:04:12]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:04 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I don't think that's asking too much... EWN really needs more destinations that just to Atlanta.. it's so hard to get there without it taking 6 hours when it would only be a 50 minute flight or so..

Good luck

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 2):
Nothing personal, but why would DL add flights from EWN to two cities that aren't hubs for DL?

Absent ERJ170 giving them $5 million, they wouldn't.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 3):
Looks seasonal and a very short season at that maybe?

True. They've been messing with both markets for years.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
DEN-LGA maybe use to be high fare but that is the past. the times when united printed money on this route is far gone. Peak summer at that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Frontier leave LGA

I agree it sucks unlike DCA. A lot of LGA markets make no money...just like LAX.

Do we know what kind of slots F9 uses? If they can be sold or transferred then you are probably right, but I think they need something in the area. Not sure what other option there is. JFK-DEN has B6 already. TTN has a runway that is too short from what I hear. If the slots are attached to the route then they might stick with it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-RTB JUL 0.1>0.3

What did they add? A Wed? RTB does have some O&D to MIA and this will help.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Holy god. How many trips in this market now???
*UA SFO-AUS MAY 4>5 JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

Is it me or is there a conscious effort by DL, UA, AS and WN to really squeeze VX now?
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-SDQ MAY 4>5 JUN 5>6 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 5>6 OCT 4>5

Crap...I don't think AA even had 8 JFK-SDQ flights during the summer ever.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Following is a comparison of F9's Summer schedule versus 2012
Looks like DE is down 27 rts or so...

Wow. Given the number of aircraft that have left the fleet, I thought it would be more than that.

I'm puzzled that the increases at CVG and MDT aren't there in the "changed" bit, or obscured, but I guess it's the ol' "low frequency filter" at work.  

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[Edited 2013-02-18 09:20:55]
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:20 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
If the slots are attached to the route then they might stick with it.

The only slots at LGA are normal slots. No slots at LGA can be sold, they can only be traded or leased. F9 could do SWF or ISP though at ISP I could see WN going after them in a heartbeat. I know SWF and ISP aren't exactly close to NYC but they aren't too far to consider.

[Edited 2013-02-18 09:21:45]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS PDX-FAI JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AS PDX-LAX JUL 5>6
Interesting. I remember when they had 3rts. Pressure on F9?
*AS SEA-DEN JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
AS SEA-FAI JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AS SEA-SAN JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9

A couple of interesting things here. PDX-FAI started (although using no a/c time as it's a red-eye r/t) while SEA-FAI is cut back by 1. SEA-DEN and SEA-SAN must be performing very well, or else AS senses something is about to happen (with DL, more in the case of SAN rather than DEN...) Finally, PDX-LAX could be pre-emptive against DL or just equipment shuffling?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VX ANC-SFO JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
*VX AUS-SFO JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
VX BOS-LAX JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2.0>3
VX BOS-SFO JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2.0>3
*VX FLL-SFO MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.4
**VX MCO-SFO MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.2 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
VX ORD-SFO MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
PHL was so overserved with their inital schedule
*VX PHL-SFO MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2.0>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
VX SFO-PVR JUN 0.2>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3

This sure helps (along with your y-o-y comparison) explain where some of the a/c for the new routes are coming from. I note that it appears SFO-MCO is gone at the end of summer?

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:25 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
PHL was so overserved with their inital schedule
*VX PHL-SFO MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2.0>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

Not too bad, UA and US just dumped capacity on the route.
Before VX
PHL-SFO
UA 3 daily (2 daily during some of the winter)
US 4 daily (3 daily during some of the winter)

After VX (this past summer)
UA 4 daily
US 5-6 daily
VX 2-3 daily
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-GUA JUL 3>4
UA IAH-MTY JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
UA IAH-SJD JUN 2>3

Looks like UA is adding frequencies for the summer. IAH-SJD looks like it got a new frequency.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 2):
Nothing personal, but why would DL add flights from EWN to two cities that aren't hubs for DL?

Well, LGA is a hub.. MCO is a large station.. and BWI would be the Washington metro region.. all pretty much able to generate their own traffic.. and as sole occupants on the route, DL could be able to price it to make it profitable.. but it's just a thought on my end that those routes are needed from EWN and DL seems like they could potentially do it with a CRJ each...

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Absent ERJ170 giving them $5 million, they wouldn't.

don't think anyone can say absolutely they wouldn't.. they haven't.. but they could.. anything is worth a shot, but I"m just asking to consider it.. 1 a day can't hurt trying and except LGA none are slot controlled.. just Aircraft dependent and I believe DL has an aircraft to spare for this.. but, again, just a thought..
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Holy god. How many trips in this market now???
*UA SFO-AUS MAY 4>5 JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 AUS-SFO JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
Probably also VX related

It seems to me that AA, AS, B6, DL, UA, US are all secretly cooperating and ganging up on VX. If looking at VX financials i think the sharks are smelling blood in the water and trying to go for the kill. Every route announcement by VX is immediately being followed up by one carrier or another with upgrades in aircraft and or frequency increases on the same routes. If this keeps up for to long i don't see VX being able to hold on for to much longer.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 AUS-SFO JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-AUS MAY 4>5 JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-ANC JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 0.8>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VX ANC-SFO JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
*VX AUS-SFO JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely hilarious! You've got to love capitalism sometimes just for its hyper-competitive absurdity. The established carriers smell blood in the water. This kind of competitive response might finish VX for good if they can't figure out a way to generate above commodity-level fares.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Interesting. I remember when they had 3rts. Pressure on F9?
*AS SEA-DEN JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
I have said this for along time on here. This route is the opposite of a gold mine for Frontier or United or Delta. DEN-LGA maybe use to be high fare but that is the past. the times when united printed money on this route is far gone. Peak summer at that. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Frontier leave LGA

Have fares gone down a lot?

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 6):
This is interesting. Does this mean that GEG will only be served from DEN now? Surely they didn't get scared off by DL adding GEG-LAX.

Of course they didnt. Probably better use of a plane somewhere else. But now theyve lost the ability to fly GEG pax west.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:23 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):

You have to keep in mind that CO is a strong year-round market, but particularly strong in winter when East Coasters flock to the area to ski. You're going to tend to get fewer people in summer. That's not to say it's making money, it may well be losing a ton, but this isn't necessarily an indication that the route is a goner.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Following is a comparison of F9's Summer schedule versus 2012
Looks like DE is down 27 rts or so...

Wow. Given the number of aircraft that have left the fleet, I thought it would be more than that.

I guess the addition of EUG and FAT changes that number. Wow, again.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ LAX-FCO OCT 0.8>0.5

AZ decided to make LAX seasonal again. Last flight October 27.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-GDL JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 0.4>0.5 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1

A bit of a joke on the 2nd busiest US-Mexico city pair.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:43 pm

Interesting, Seaborne is really stepping in to replace American Eagle out of SJU. I knew about EIS, VIJ and the USVI, but now DOM, FDF, PTP, etc. This gives further support to the rumors on another recent thread of a codeshare or more (e.g., "Eagle" marketing) with AA.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:51 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 2):
Nothing personal, but why would DL add flights from EWN to two cities that aren't hubs for DL?

Well, LGA is a hub.. MCO is a large station.. and BWI would be the Washington metro region.. all pretty much able to generate their own traffic.. and as sole occupants on the route, DL could be able to price it to make it profitable.. but it's just a thought on my end that those routes are needed from EWN and DL seems like they could potentially do it with a CRJ each...

Then you should be lobbying for US from DCA or UA from IAD. And to MCO, F9 (which had shown a willingness to try smaller markets out of MCO, like COU and SHO, although that experiment may be ending) or G4 (although G4 did briefly try ISO-SFB a couple of years ago).

DL is not going to add P2P service to and from EWN.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-SAN JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9

This is a nice increase over even last summer (by 1 daily r/t) but it's difficult to tell if it's a pre-emptive strike at possible DL intrusion into the market or just part of the SAN build-up that continues for AS (IMHO.) Either way, I like it!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS PDX-LAX JUL 5>6

Again, this could be notice to DL or just summer (seasonal) traffic increases; PDX does seem to be experiencing solid growth these days. (I suppose it could be a bit of a nudge at VX also, or even a feeling that NK could be considering jumping in...) I did check and my earlier thought about a/c changes affecting capacity is NOT the case; AS is running all mainline on the route with a healthy increase between May and June of 1 daily r/t.

I'm enjoying monitoring AS's summer schedules as they gradually come together.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-GEG MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0

This is interesting. Does this mean that GEG will only be served from DEN now? Surely they didn't get scared off by DL adding GEG-LAX.

Don't think UA is scared off by Delta flying LAXGEG for a grand total of nine weeks.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
Don't think UA is scared off by Delta flying LAXGEG for a grand total of nine weeks.

Of course not. I threw in the comment about Delta's new flight to emphasize the contrast of UA reducing service at GEG while others are adding flights there. I'm just trying to figure out what's up with UA completely dropping it's twice-daily service to Spokane from SFO. That really surprised me, although I admit that I don't know a lot about the GEG market.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-OMA APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9

Looks like US is dropping the morning OMA-DCA flight. So this leaves F9 and US both flying about the same time flights around 4pm plus/minus OMA-DCA.

This makes no sense to me and a friend of mine that travels weekly OMA-DCA is really upset without the Monday morning OMA-DCA that's been around for years either on F9 or now US. He said the 4pm doesn't work for him because he needs to be there Monday as soon as possible to work. Plus he said the Monday morning US flight from OMA-DCA is always full and it's not cheap many times in excess of $500. Something doesn't add up here.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 16):
It seems to me that AA, AS, B6, DL, UA, US are all secretly cooperating and ganging up on VX. If looking at VX financials i think the sharks are smelling blood in the water and trying to go for the kill.

I dunno about secretly (as that would be illegal) but certainly they are all "thinking" the same thing.....Isn't B6 hiring 150-200 new pilots..maybe a sign of things to come if they snatch up VXs fleet? Perhaps the other carriers feel that they better put VX out of its misery now or risk them gaining a foothold (a la B6 in NYC).

Would Delta's new relationship with VS have any (even a little) bearing on their strategy toward VX?
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):

Just joking on the secret thing but as you said they all seem to be thinking the same way. Besides B6 picking up us some of the lost Trans con route capacity if VX were to shut down I don't think they would want to go further then that. B6 is currently profitable and that would go away quickly if they were to pick up a large non profit operation from VX. Plus I don't believe AA, DL, and UA would just sit and watch someone else pick up the VX leftovers without them getting involved.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 27):
Something doesn't add up here.

Obviously it's not money adding up, or they'd keep the frequency.
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:30 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):

DL's relationship has no bearing on how they respond to VX.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 29):

B6 should not pick up any capacity dropped by VX.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAD-YQB AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

A couple years ago, Nova Scotia did a huge blitz job in DC on YHZ as a destination.

Quebec City needs to do pretty much the same thing for YQB -- like their old "Friendly, foreign, and nearby."
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:20 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-YYC JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2

Interesting. Is this the first time DL has tried this route?
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:22 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
AS PDX-LAX JUL 5>6
Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
Finally, PDX-LAX could be pre-emptive against DL or just equipment shuffling?

Or seasonal? PDX has a high leisure component, so summer is much busier.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:51 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Interesting. I remember when they had 3rts. Pressure on F9?
*AS SEA-DEN JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

SEA-DEN in the summer is gang busters. Plus UA is a shell of itself on this route. Not sure why every route add is pressure on F9; would chalk this up to seasonal demand.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:52 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-YYZ JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.5 AUG 3>1.5 SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7

Hmm i wonder if this is Air-Canada related or not. Kinda strange to see this one slipping.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 2):
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Dear Delta,

Can you please add the following:

EWN-BWI 0>1
EWN-LGA 0>1
EWN-MCO 0>1

Nothing personal, but why would DL add flights from EWN to two cities that aren't hubs for DL?

My thoughts exactly... when I request service on DL to CVG, CVG is a hub, remember.

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Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 26):
Of course not. I threw in the comment about Delta's new flight to emphasize the contrast of UA reducing service at GEG while others are adding flights there. I'm just trying to figure out what's up with UA completely dropping it's twice-daily service to Spokane from SFO. That really surprised me, although I admit that I don't know a lot about the GEG market.

I fly this about a dozen times a year...and I'm shocked! I have no idead what UA is doing with GEG but then I've wondered for 10 years. 10 years ago UA flew 3x daily with 733's. Of course the industry has changed but SFO-GEG has been around since, well, my 41 years. It doesn't make any sense to me -- summer traffic surges at GEG.



I don't think UA is bringing back the seasonal once-a-day GEG-ORD on a E70 either this summer. And as I've posted before, the second GEG-DEN is so late in the day that you cannot connect to anything east of ORD.

And UA still maintains a healthy group of very veteran UA employees above and below wing.
 
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 35):
SEA-DEN in the summer is gang busters. Plus UA is a shell of itself on this route. Not sure why every route add is pressure on F9; would chalk this up to seasonal demand.

Frontier is going up to 5 x daily DEN-SEA for the summer. Perhaps I could call that call it pressure on Alaska just to even things up.  

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Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
Is it me or is there a conscious effort by DL, UA, AS and WN to really squeeze VX now?

Yup. Disturbing. Everyone bemoans VX's losses, but this type of behavior hoping to drive them out of business is why.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Looks like DE is down 27 rts or so...

Wow. Given the number of aircraft that have left the fleet, I thought it would be more than that.

Always taking the optimistic approach.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I'm puzzled that the increases at CVG and MDT aren't there in the "changed" bit, or obscured, but I guess it's the ol' "low frequency filter" at work.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-CVG JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

Or it could just be your eyesight.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 11):
No slots at LGA can be sold, they can only be traded or leased.

Not true. US sold a ton to DL a couple of years ago.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
This sure helps (along with your y-o-y comparison) explain where some of the a/c for the new routes are coming from. I note that it appears SFO-MCO is gone at the end of summer?

Still seems like they are over-scheduled.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Not everything an airline does is a reaction to what a competitor is doing. Simply reacting is a recipe for losing money

Although AUS-SFO has plenty of that.

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
I guess the addition of EUG and FAT changes that number. Wow, again.

Each operates only about 30 times.

BTW, I thought you said they had to drop COS because they were short of aircraft?
 
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BB SJU-DOM APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB SJU-EIS APR 8>6 MAY 8>6 JUN 8>6 JUL 8>6 AUG 8>6 SEP 0>6 OCT 0>6
BB SJU-FDF APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.5
BB SJU-PTP APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6
BB SJU-STT APR 2>5 MAY 2>5 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5 AUG 2>5 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB SJU-STX APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4
BB SJU-VIJ SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB SJU-VQS APR 0.4>1.3 MAY 0.5>1.5 JUN 0.4>1.4 JUL 0.4>1.4 AUG 0.5>1.5 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB STT-SJU APR 3>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STT-STX APR 1.1>8 MAY 1.0>7 JUN 0>7 JUL 0>7 AUG 0>7 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STX-SJU APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 SEP 0>5 OCT 0>5
BB STX-VQS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
BB VQS-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

  Interesting ...

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
What did they add? A Wed? RTB does have some O&D to MIA and this will help.

I agree - MIA-RTB seems to be doing well (as could be expected). Indeed, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Sa 738 DFW-RTB in the not too distant future.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
Is it me or is there a conscious effort by DL, UA, AS and WN to really squeeze VX now?

Well it isn't collusive - none of them are stupid enough for that - but I suppose that competitors sense that VX is in a challenging position, and other carriers are taking advantage of it in little ways where they can.

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 9):
Crap...I don't think AA even had 8 JFK-SDQ flights during the summer ever.

No, I don't think AA was ever at 8x daily JFK-SDQ, although I would not be surprised if AA at times in the past ran as much if not more capacity in the JFK-SDQ market. For many years, AA routinely flew 4+ daily round-trips on A300s, and those planes were configured with well over 250 seats.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 39):
Always taking the optimistic approach.

It works well for me.

Quoting enilria (Reply 39):
Or it could just be your eyesight.

It isn't listed as a separate add - which, given what you said last week about Delta's response ("pissed") seems odd to me.

I see that DEN-GSO isn't in the long comparative list or DEN-SNA, which has been flying for a few years.

Unless my eyesight is really, really bad. Could be, I guess.

Quoting enilria (Reply 39):
BTW, I thought you said they had to drop COS because they were short of aircraft?

I said that they dropped COS because the good folk at COS wouldn't pay extra for non-stop service - and since the fleet is constrained I think it seems better to use the aircraft somewhere else.

But I speak about Frontier. I don't speak for Frontier.

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Quoting enilria (Reply 39):

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I'm puzzled that the increases at CVG and MDT aren't there in the "changed" bit, or obscured, but I guess it's the ol' "low frequency filter" at work.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-CVG JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

Or it could just be your eyesight.

It was posted last thread too.
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:39 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 42):
It was posted last thread too.

I checked last week's thread before I posted here. I don't see the additional frequency DEN-CVG:

F9 CLE-CUN MAY 0.3>0.1
F9 COU-MCO APR 0.4>0.3
F9 DEN-DTW MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2>1.0


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Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:06 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Have fares gone down a lot?

definitely in the whole nyc market to denver. Southwest lowerered prices out of EWR alot from the united monopoly they were running and incredible last minute fares. LGA use to be a gold mine for United then in a relatively short amount of time entered frontier, southwest, delta from LGA and jetblue and delta out of JFK. I Denver-NYC is often amazing how cheap it is per mile some true bargains at times super competative the route has added alot of competition in a relatively short amount of time.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
F9 DEN-LGA JUN 4>1.8 JUL 4>1.9 AUG 4>1.8

Colorado is extremely popular in the summer and frontier with all the connection possibilities should want to fly it maximum in the summer when travel is so extremely high. Its clearly a sign of some type if they do indeed do this maybe even just lease the slots out its easy cash and probably a better return then flying such a competative route? Maybe frontier just doenst know yet or working on a lease and wants to make them not bookable its still a ways away but something is up.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:10 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 44):
Colorado is extremely popular in the summer and frontier with all the connection possibilities should want to fly it maximum in the summer when travel is so extremely high. Its clearly a sign of some type if they do indeed do this maybe even just lease the slots out its easy cash and probably a better return then flying such a competative route?

The way it has worked for Frontier so far - in almost all of the restructure - is that less capacity has usually improved yields.

And with oil close to $120 a barrel again - and fare price hikes not going too well - I would think everyone wants to improve yields.

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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:22 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 39):
Not true. US sold a ton to DL a couple of years ago.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, they probably leased the slots but there is no selling slots, only leasing and trading.
Here is some helpful information on slots at LGA, EWR, JFK and DCA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:04 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 46):
I'm sorry but you are wrong, they probably leased the slots but there is no selling slots, only leasing and trading.

While that is normally true, it was not in the case of the slot swap between DL/US:

"In 2009, because airlines are prohibited from selling or purchasing
slots under the temporary order at LaGuardia, Delta Air Lines and US
Airways sought a waiver from DOT's Office of the Secretary and FAA
from this prohibition to exchange slots at LaGuardia and Reagan
National because Delta wanted to establish a domestic hub at LaGuardia
and US Airways wanted to increase service at Reagan National. In 2011,
DOT's Office of the Secretary and FAA together granted the joint
waiver request that permitted the transfer and sale of more than 300
slots between the two airlines, provided that they divest a total of
48 slots (24 slot pairs) at Reagan National and LaGuardia to new
airline entrants and airlines holding less than 5 percent of the slots
at those airports.
"

http://www.gao.gov/assets/650/648378.txt
 
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RE: OAG Changes 2/22/2013: B6/DL/UA/VX/WN

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL ATL-YYC JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2

Interesting. Is this the first time DL has tried this route?

But in July and August?

This is a snowbird route.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 47):
While that is normally true, it was not in the case of the slot swap between DL/US:

Yes, he made it sound like he was talking about something other then the slot swap though.