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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:47 pm

I tried to look into this.... If there was an AKL-JNB route, it probably would. Is there any current commercial route that does this?
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:07 am

SYD-EZE is called the "TRANSPOLAR" Route and I think it flies over antartica.
 
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:20 am

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 1):
SYD-EZE is called the "TRANSPOLAR" Route and I think it flies over antartica.

The great circle route SYD-EZE does not overfly Antarctica. When QF operated SYD-EZE I recall a thread mentioning that QF didn't even get that close to Antarctica due to some restriction on how far south they were permitted to operate on that route.

 
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:43 am

The only service that operates over Antartica is a QF charter that operates 4 or 5 times per year from Australia. Its run by an Antartica sight seeing company using a QF B744ER
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:47 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The great circle route SYD-EZE does not overfly Antarctica. When QF operated SYD-EZE I recall a thread mentioning that QF didn't even get that close to Antarctica due to some restriction on how far south they were permitted to operate on that route.

Wow, if you flew that route I would imagine that landing options if you had an issue midway through the flight would be extremely limited. Is there anywhere vaguely close to go?
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:54 am

If there's ever a JNB-CPT-CHC-AKL or SYD-MEL-CPT-JNB that would be really transpolar.
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):

If there's ever a JNB-CPT-CHC-AKL or SYD-MEL-CPT-JNB that would be really transpolar.

A MEL-CPT segment wouldn't even be close to transpolar; it wouldn't even come particularly close to Antarctica.
 
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Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:15 am

Either last week or the previous week QFs EZE flight diveted to CHC for a medical so the fight needs to be within a certain time frame for diversion to CHC. In 2009 a New Zealand Air Force B757 flew CHC - Antartica (McMurdo Sound) in just over 4 hours, so the EZE flight could fly upto half way between New Zealand and Antartica depending on the aircrafts ETOPS limits. The EZE flight has sometimes also flowen over my area (WLG)
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:25 am

I thought that there was a blanket ban on commercial operations south of the 60° mark?

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Wow, if you flew that route I would imagine that landing options if you had an issue midway through the flight would be extremely limited. Is there anywhere vaguely close to go?

There's nothing between New Zealand and Easter Island (which is a pretty big diversion north). It's the same issue heading west to JNB -- there is absolutely nowhere to land between PER and Africa.

Everything operating this far south is a quad, which minimises the risks somewhat.
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:05 am

AKL-SCL is another South Pacific great circle route - but still not particularly close to Antartica. That's also a quad-engine, as there really is nowhere to divert to.

I have flown both JNB-PER and AKL-SCL - it's a pretty lonely prospect if you look out the window during the night - hardly even any other planes around (unlike, say, North Atlantic or routes to the Far East over Russia, where you normally see at least a few other flights around you) - on those flights it really is you, the plane, then nothing.....
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:32 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
I thought that there was a blanket ban on commercial operations south of the 60° mark?

My understanding is its a blanket ban, without special/specific permission. Which is how the sighting flights operate, they have it, undoubtedly with a pile of conditions/restrictions.

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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Wow, if you flew that route I would imagine that landing options if you had an issue midway through the flight would be extremely limited. Is there anywhere vaguely close to go?

There's nothing between New Zealand and Easter Island (which is a pretty big diversion north). It's the same issue heading west to JNB -- there is absolutely nowhere to land between PER and Africa.

Everything operating this far south is a quad, which minimises the risks somewhat.

I did SYD-EZE on QF 744ER a few years ago (in fact it was NYE and we accidentally ended up have 2 NYE, not planned really like Leonardo D C). Mid flight I looked at the flight map and it showed us just as it appears on the great circle mapper above. It was a light load on NYE and I was on the upper deck in J, so had plenty of chats with the flight attendants. I pointed out that we were probably many hours away from the nearest airport should we need one. They said they hadn't thought about it, but now that I had mentioned it, they thought it was a bit of a concern. (nobody else around to hear or freak out). We joked about if we were desperate we could load test that new Antarctic ice runway that had been built to take A320's at the Australian base   or high tail it for Easter Island. Looks like we were right  Wow!

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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:46 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
The only service that operates over Antartica is a QF charter that operates 4 or 5 times per year from Australia. Its run by an Antartica sight seeing company using a QF B744ER

I've heard about these, trips but how do you find out about them or get to book on one?
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:50 pm

http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

That ought to help you out.
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:09 pm

The SYD-EZE flight has been changed to SYD-SCL actually in order to better connect with LAN's hub in SCL for South America from QF's hub in SYD.

The South Pacific flights as far as I know:
SYD-SCL (QF)
SYD-AKL-SCL (LA)
SYD-EZE (AR)

Indian Ocean:
SYD-JNB
PER-JNB

South Atlantic:
JNB-GRU
JNB-EZE
and I believe TAAG Angola has a flight as well.

On the SYD-EZE flights for QF I believe they were prevented from flying farther than 60* South or something.

BTW here's a video of AR's SYD-EZE flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTSytQBjXF4
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:41 pm

Are there any physical navaids in Antarctica (VOR, NDB)?
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:01 am

Although not regular flights, Aerovias DAP does fly commercially over Antarctica, and I think they even land. There are bookable tours.

They depart from Punta Arenas, (PUQ)

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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:08 am

Perhaps a bit off topic, but a Privatair 737 was recently landed on Antarctica on behalf of the Norwegian Polar Institute, who is looking for a replacement for regularly scheduled C-130 flights.

http://blog.racingwinds.com/2013/02/...sually-landing-737s-on-antarctica/

So it can be done, but I wouldn't look for passenger flights anytime soon  
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:35 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 15):
Are there any physical navaids in Antarctica (VOR, NDB)?

I believe there are four TACANs in Antarctica. Two near McMurdo station (NZPG - Pegasus Field and NZIR - the ice runway at the station), one at William's field (NZWD, near Ross Island), and one at the south pole base (NZSP).

For a non-TACAN equipped aircraft, these would function as DMEs.

The next closest would be an NDB and VOR/DME in Invercargill, NZ.
 
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RE: Any Commerical Routes Fly Over Antarctica?

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 16):
Although not regular flights, Aerovias DAP does fly commercially over Antarctica, and I think they even land. There are bookable tours.

Yes they do land at the Chilean airbase Teniente Rodolfo Marsh; which serves the Chilean commune of Villa Las Estrellas, Antártica Chilena. This month and during March they will operate 12 flights.

http://www.aeroviasdap.cl/antartica_e.html

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