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Finnish Aviation Thread - Part?

Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:47 pm

Ok, should we start a new thread on Finland? (as we're officially not Scandinavian)

Some time ago I was listening to radio news and they mentioned a new charter airline called Snowbird starting operations later this year. Anything new on this? Their website http://www.snowbird.fi is not on yet.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:54 pm

I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

They might have a chance since Air Finland is out of the picture.

I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 1):
I have been waiting for the announcement of new AY CEO. It has been some time now since the announcement of the current to leave his post.

It should be made before the Annual General Meeting that is scheduled to be held at 27th of March 2013.
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:32 am

Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:52 am

Quoting ilari (Reply 3):
Do you think the AY ceo could be foreign, as Kauppalehti reckoned? Finn or foreign, I truly hope (s)he has knowledge of aviation business.

Well there is the suggestion from Shareholders' Nomination Committee. That Mr. Klaus W. Heinemann to be elected as Chairman of the Board. Year ago his haw hot potato in annual general meeting. Mainly because the elder shareholders don't want any "outsiders" to AY's Board of Directors. But now I must say that AY has to keep every door open.
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:37 am

The nationality of the CEO makes no difference, skills and competence do, in my opinion.

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 5):

I hope AY will go ahead with the idea of having 3 classes in A350. Economy+ seems to be a popular product, I think it would be a bad choice not to capitalize on it.

Yes Y+ would be very welcome, especially if the product offers more than a regular Y seat with two inches more legroom... They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:50 pm

Quoting okAY (Reply 1):
I heard the same rumours about snowbird. They are a group of ex-Finnair employees who are behind this. ops should start with a single leased A320, summer 2013 if I have understood correctly.

Finnair employees? I thought they were ex-Air Finland employees. Could be both, though.

They probably won't start with their own AOC this summer, maybe not even in this year. That process takes a lot of time, so they may start as an virtual airline.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 6):
They have also said they are considering replacing in-seat video screens with tablets.

I don't see the added value in this. Anything you can put on a tablet u can put on a fixed IFE seatback-mounted monitor. Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:18 pm

Quoting okAY (Reply 8):
Tablets get broken more easily as people end up sitting on them, dropping them etc. And most probably someone will try to steal them, too.

True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

They may put some kind of chain from the seat to the tablet or something like that. You know same way tablets and phones are displayed in stores.

[Edited 2013-02-20 07:19:29]
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 9):
True, but they are probably cheaper to purchase than IFE systems.

Yes, the built-in entertainment systems tend to get outdated rather quickly. Personally I would be happy with a good WiFi.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:49 pm

A little off topic, but IFE can be the next thing to be charged. Food, bags, seat selection etc have already undergone this change, why not IFE. It is technically possible to block individual monitors, so why not block them all and open them when a pax so wants, for, let's say 5 euros.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting okAY (Reply 11):
IFE can be the next thing to be charged

One more reason not to fly with Finnair.

[Edited 2013-02-20 13:39:13]
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:10 pm

so what are the future plans of HEL airport? Any new plans or do they plan to fit all a340/333and 350 in that small terminal? I wish they could take more risks, but its a strict no no in the scandinavian business world.
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:03 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 12):

Sorry, wrote a little unclear. I meant in general this could be the next source of revenue for any airline. AY has, as far as I know, no plans to start charging. The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

These systems are really expensive. To be honest, as I have my laptop and iPhone, I would not mind the little screen being switched off and flying cheaper.

[Edited 2013-02-21 01:14:42]
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:14 pm

Quoting okAY (Reply 14):
The only airline I know is doing so to an extent is Thomson Airways who has basic and premium packages available for IFE. The premium package costs 5 pounds and if you buy it, you get more movies, games, series etc.

Well, it mostly flies charters and I try to avoid them, so not a problem for me. Anyway 5 pounds for a long flight is not much, I could pay that.

I don't think that airlines like BA or LH would begin to charge using IFE.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting sailas (Reply 13):

I'd say in the Finnish business world. Swedes are much more courageous in taking chances. They realise that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but if you do nothing, nothing will happen either. We Finns like to think no-risk business is best.

If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:33 pm

But there are still no plans or proposals in building a new terminal?
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Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 16):
If AY wants to achieve the goal it has set, doubling Asia-traffic by 2020, a new terminal needs to be built. They have now around 15 long haul planes. Times two = 30 long hauler, present space is nowhere near sufficient.

Not all of AY's long hauls are to Asia, plus there is some scope for increased Seat Factors, and increased utilization of existing fleet; you could hypothetically double the traffic with maybe 22-23 long haul aircraft.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:12 am

I have seen a discussion in another forum that the Finish domestic market is in tatters since Flybe Nordic has entered the scene - a lot of routes getting canned, other having their frequencies / timings adjusted so that they have become rather useless and Flybe Nordic apparently flying around half empty planes. Is this true or just some wild exaggeration of the situation?

[Edited 2013-02-23 17:13:39]
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:17 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 19):

Id beleive in that aswell.

January 2013 %-Change January %-Change

Domestic
Passengers 1000 123,8 -9,8 123,8 -9,8
Available seat kilometres mill 115,1 -7,9 115,1 -7,9
Revenue passenger kilometres mill 66,3 -9,4 66,3 -9,4
Passenger load factor % 57,6 -1,0 p 57,6 -1,0 p
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:37 pm

i was just thinking when will AY will start replacing their A320s? I know the a321 ER comes this year but arent the a320 and a319 getting to be of age?
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:17 am

First to go are the B752's that are doing the charter flights.
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 22):

I know, and i am so happy about that. I would have chosen AY to fly to DXB but only if they would have done it in a a340/330. All Y configured 757 is not for me. Poor sardines even.
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting sailas (Reply 21):

First A32s came early 2000, if my memory serves me correct. Some of them are owned, some leased. I think AY will stick with the series, however aircraft specific phase out happens surely as lease contracts come to an end etc. Thinking on a larger scale, if not A32s, then what? B73s is just as old and they would lose the ability to Cris-cross crews with the big Airbuses.

Quoting sailas (Reply 17):

AFAIK no. Helsinki Airport just announced they will start dividing Schengen arrivals into two different arrivals halls, so a pax needs to know at the gate which direction to go as he disembarks. I think this is bad for Helsinki Airport, even at bigger airports there is usually one arrivals hall for Schengen/one for non-Schengen. Helsinki loses its attraction as being small/convenient airport due to this. But then again, transfer pax to/from Asia will never know about this.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 19):
I have seen a discussion in another forum that the Finish domestic market is in tatters since Flybe Nordic has entered the scene - a lot of routes getting canned, other having their frequencies / timings adjusted so that they have become rather useless and Flybe Nordic apparently flying around half empty planes. Is this true or just some wild exaggeration of the situation?

True, unfortunately.

Quoting sailas (Reply 17):
But there are still no plans or proposals in building a new terminal?

There have been a couple of plans some years ago, but no decisions have been made.

Right now there is one major problem in Finland. Helsinki airport is the only profitable airport in Finland if I remember right. All profits are used to run and improve other airports in Finland. Basically there is no money for a new terminal.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 25):
All profits are used to run and improve other airports in Finland. Basically there is no money for a new terminal.

I think that Finavia should sell some of the regional airports. But who would buy them?
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:53 am

Quoting teme82 (Reply 26):
I think that Finavia should sell some of the regional airports. But who would buy them?

Municipalities and regions if they care about their air connections. Who would pay for this? Taxpayers.

Private companies could also by them.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:07 am

Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:12 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 28):
Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?

Sadly it is the only profitable airport in Finland that is owned by Finavia. There is Mikkeli airport that is owned by City of Mikkeli (MIK/EFMI), don't have figures how it is doing.
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:19 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 28):
Is Vantaa the only profitable airport in Finland?

Yes, it is the only profitable commercial airport in Finland. All of those profits are used to run HEL and other airports in Finland. There is a group trying to solve this problem. If I remember right they have been given two years to find solutions.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26 am

I used ti live in Espoo and Helsinki back in 2000/2001.
I was a bit surprised that there are actually no other competing capital airport for Helsinki.

Oslo has Gardermoen, Torp and Rygge.
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

I know Malmi's runway is to short, but are there any other airports or airfields planned as a future LCC airport?
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
I was a bit surprised that there are actually no other competing capital airport for Helsinki.

There is no actual need for another airport. HEL is good enough and there is space to build another terminal if needed.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
Oslo has Gardermoen, Torp and Rygge.
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

Where do they actually need all of these?

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 31):
I know Malmi's runway is to short, but are there any other airports or airfields planned as a future LCC airport?

Malmi hasn't been used for scheduled airline operations for many decades. There has also been plans to get rid of the airport and use the land for building houses or something like that.

There has been a couple of plans to build a future LCC airport. There has been plans to build airport to Hanko, Humppila, Lahti and Porvoo. In reality these are just plans. I don't think there is need for another airport so close to HEL. Why can't they just invest in Tampere which is only about two hours from Helsinki?

There is no need for more airports in Finland. Government wants to get rid of airports not build new ones.

[Edited 2013-02-28 02:59:00]

[Edited 2013-02-28 02:59:35]
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 32):
Stockholm has Arlanda, Bromma and Skavsta

Wasn't Tampere (TMP) adverticed by Ryanair as Helsinki for a while? A bit further than Skavsta from Stockholm, but not much  

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Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting Treg (Reply 33):
Wasn't Tampere (TMP) adverticed by Ryanair as Helsinki for a while? A bit further than Skavsta from Stockholm, but not much

And at some point someone suggested LPR being called St Petersburg West.  
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:08 pm

Any new news about how Flybe Nordic (Or is it called Flybe Finland now) is doing on the route HEL-MHQ?
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Quoting Ideekay (Reply 35):
Any new news about how Flybe Nordic (Or is it called Flybe Finland now) is doing on the route HEL-MHQ?

Apparently quite well or at least ok. Air Åland has long ago quit the route.
 
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:00 pm

i thought Mikkeli airport has been out of use for a long time? I love seeing HEL grow, but it seems like a painfully long process...
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting sailas (Reply 37):
i thought Mikkeli airport has been out of use for a long time?

There hasn't been scheduled commercial flights for a long time. It is still in use, but mostly for general aviation.
Finnish Air Force started to fly once a week from Helsinki to Mikkeli last year. I don't know is this service still active.

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Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:20 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 38):
Finnish Air Force started to fly once a week from Helsinki to Mikkeli last year. I don't know is this service still active.

It is. Because the Finnish ARMY HQ is in Mikkeli.  

Anyway they are seeing some bizz jets from Russia in there. It's nice not busy airport close to their "homes" in Finland  
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:37 am

Quoting teme82 (Reply 39):

out of topic but the army HQ in Mikkeli was stopped years back. Last time i went to Mikkeli airport it looked like nothing had been there for a decade. . .
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:44 am

Quoting sailas (Reply 40):
out of topic but the army HQ in Mikkeli was stopped years back. Last time i went to Mikkeli airport it looked like nothing had been there for a decade. . .

Nope. It now is in Mikkeli. Even their www page says so  
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:42 pm

ahh i see, i served in Parolannummi and answer to HELITR. Im sure i would have a hard time shooting planes if it ever came to it  .

I flew TK to DXB from HEL and the plane was full. Very enjoyable 737-900er. Does the route really have this much demand? Why did AY not fly it?

Also i thought qatar was supposed to start flights to HEL? Any news on that? I just want to see HEL grow fast.
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:27 am

Quoting sailas (Reply 42):
I just want to see HEL grow fast.

HEL has grown. Destination-wise, the Asia-network is impressive to say the least. There has been growth, it has just been driven by AY. Reasons for that are quite clear. Small market, far from everything else. But golden geographical position for AY.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting sailas (Reply 42):
I flew TK to DXB from HEL and the plane was full. Very enjoyable 737-900er. Does the route really have this much demand? Why did AY not fly it?

I bet you had to change plane at IST. I don't know how much there is demand for HEL-DBX route. But there has been rumors about gulf carriers starting flights to HEL every now and then.
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:33 pm

Finnair is celebrating its 90 years of operations this year. The airline is releasing a series of videos, featuring historic as well as current footage celebrating the voyage the company has made so far. Here are the first two clips released on youtube by Finnair:

Celebrating 90 Years of Finnair: A Chapter in Finnish Aviation History

What is the Finnair spirit? Celebrating 90 Years of Finnair

I wish AY would paint one aircraft in some special livery stating the celebration, but I have not heard of such plans.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:04 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 44):

Yes had to change in IST. Needless to say the plane was 100% full from IST to DXB, even tough it was a a332, 31st of december, and arrival time at 2 am. Excellent quality TK offers.

HEL has grown it is true. But for some reason it is a airport i have never really learned to like. On the plus side i am happy that the rail link will be operational in a year.

Flying back from DXB with KL in a month. Shall be interesting, since ive never flown with them.

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 45):

Loving the videos. Good job from AY. I still think their new livery is boring, but thats just me.
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting sailas (Reply 46):
HEL has grown it is true. But for some reason it is a airport i have never really learned to like. On the plus side i am happy that the rail link will be operational in a year.

I second that. I have worked at HEL, in the shops, on tarmac as well as running from one gate to another, so I have seen it inside out. What I don't like is how they have stretched it like cheese. Now, it has become the longest tunnel ever to be called an airport, narrow and crowded. Also, the shops and cafes are stretching out to the walking areas, sometimes one is not sure is it "public" or shop area one is in.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting okAY (Reply 47):

ahaha i thought i was the only one who tought the same way about this   But HEL should have done the rail link a long time ago. I remember when i was small my parents always complaining about the lack of transport when we came on holiday. Now i carry on the legacy of complaining  
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Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting sailas (Reply 48):

Yeah, the raillink is well over due. I'm happy it will be part of the communal rail service a la AMS, not a private company venture like Arlanda Express, for example. That is so expensive and doesn't really make the trip so much shorter to justify the high price they ask.

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