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Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:34 pm

Flightglobal reports that Lufthansa is in talk with both Boeing and Airbus to order up to 108 new aircraft: 100 short-haul and 8 long-haul units.

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#Lufthansa proposing to supervisory board to order 100 short-haul and eight long-haul aircraft, delivery in 2015-25.
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#Lufhansa in discussions with both #Airbus and #Boeing over order for 108 aircraft, overall value of $9bn.

What do you think, 737 Max / A320neo, A350 / 787 or even more VLA's?
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:40 pm

Eight long haul units seems to be a bit too small a number for LH, to introduce a new type; I think these would most likely be a top up of existing types - and not just one model either. Could be a combination of existing types, e.g. 6 A330s and 2 A380s.

As to short haul types, I'd eat my lederhosen if they chose the 737-MAX over the A320 NEO. But stranger things have happened and availability may be an issue.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:42 pm

I wonder if this is for the LH fleet, or also for Swiss/AUA and Brussels, all of which have many shorthaul planes to replace in that timeframe. 8 longhaul planes, that doesnt sound like the long awaited 787/A350 battle. More like a a follow-on order for a few A380s, A330s, 748s, maybe even all three types. And 100 shorthaulers for between 2015 - 2025, thats likely to replace the dozens of A319s, A320s and A321s built in the 90s/early 2000s. By 2015 all 737s are gone, and replacements for them and the A320s built around 1990 have been ordered already some time ago.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:58 pm

8 747-8Is and 100 Airbus narrowbodies.....   No word of the CSeries though

P.S. Would love if they would order some 737Max as well, Lufthansa is not Lufthansa without the 737 !!!

[Edited 2013-02-19 13:01:11]
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:00 pm

That would add on to the 131 planes they already have on order until 2025....
A total of 239.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:24 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Eight long haul units seems to be a bit too small a number for LH, to introduce a new type

- Agreed, given, the 2015-2025 slot this has to favour 748 and or A380.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
As to short haul types, I'd eat my lederhosen if they chose the 737-MAX over the A320 NEO

- Indeed, especially as LH already have a NEO order placed from a year or so back.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
But stranger things have happened and availability may be an issue.

- True, let's not count chickens just yet!
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:30 pm

My guess is for 8 77W for LX and a mix of A32S NEO and C-Series. Given the fact that the aging Fokkers and Avros of OS and SN respectively need to be eventually replaced I'm quite sure this order will include smaller aircraft.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:34 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 6):
My guess is for 8 77W for LX

A350 makes much more sense considering commonality issues.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:36 pm

I think the eight new long haul aircraft will be follow on orders of an existing subfleet.
A330 or A380 or B747-8i, or a mix of it.
The decision which new aircraft type will be introduced will be made later this year, i guess.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
A350 makes much more sense considering commonality issues.
LX needs to replace six A343s soon as their leases expire. They will not get A350-1000s until around 2018. Furthermore Harry Hohmeister (LX CEO) has already indicated several times in interviews that he wants the new planes to arrive by 2015. According to these interviews it's also quite clear that he seems to favor the 77W as a A343 replacement. The 77W would give LX great potential to profitably grow its long haul network between 2015 and 2020.

[Edited 2013-02-19 13:39:19]
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
As to short haul types, I'd eat my lederhosen if they chose the 737-MAX over the A320 NEO. But stranger things have happened and availability may be an issue.

I am 110% sure they will not order the MAX because none of the LH Group operate the 737 anymore (they're either gone or going). Even if Boeing could offer a significant number of planes with earlier availability, I am 120% sure the group's airlines would all wait for additional A320neo slots beyond what they already have on order or lease interim lift.

There is 130% no chance of a 777-300ER order for LX. LH would order additional 747-8s and then hand off A340-600s to LX first.

[Edited 2013-02-19 13:41:09]
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I'd eat my lederhosen if they chose the 737-MAX over the A320 NEO

Especially as they've already ordered the neo.   
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 6):
My guess is for 8 77W for LX

99% no. LH will go 787 or A350, maybe the 777X has a small chance in 10 years from now. But not a small fleet of a type whose production end is at the horizon and that has been turned down twice already.
Beside that, as I said, a number of the shorthaul planes could very well be for Swiss (and Austrian, and Brussels, beside LH).
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
LX needs to replace six A343s soon as their leases expire. They will not get A350-1000s until around 2018. Furthermore Harry Hohmeister (LX CEO) has already indicated several times in interviews that he wants the new planes to arrive by 2015. According to these interviews it's also quite clear that he seems to favor the 77W as a A343 replacement. The 77W would give LX great potential to profitably grow its long haul network between 2015 and 2020.

Swiss is premium heavy, and the 748I would provide high-yield passengers with superior comfort than the middle-of-the road 77W without a doubt.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 6):
My guess is for 8 77W

Not gonna happen. If they would buy 777 for LX or LH a subfleet of 8 would be to small to justify the introduction of a new type.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
They will not get A350-1000s

Who's talking about the A350-1000?? They could get much earlier some A350-900 with unprecedented economy over their existing fleet.


Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
Harry Hohmeister (LX CEO) has already indicated several times in interviews that he wants the new planes to arrive by 2015.

That's why they will probably lease some A340-6 until the A350 arrives.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
According to these interviews it's also quite clear that he seems to favor the 77W as a A343 replacement.

I really don't know where you get this myth. It's nowhere clear he seems to favor the 77W.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
The 77W would give LX great potential

True it's a efficient platform, but at what expense. What will pilots say about. And you forgot SR Technics which has ZERO experience with this Type.

Introducing a new "older" Type to Pilots and SR Technics, destroying commonality(where many LX pilots are happy about) between the fleet, while the next gen widebody is at the door doesn't make any sense. I bet SR Technics will be eagerly to get their hands on the A350's composite frame. A lot of their customers will get the A350 too.

Quoting na (Reply 12):
99% no.

     
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:49 pm

I would say its inevitable LH will order the 350 at some point in the not to distant future. Unlikely to be part of this particular order that flight global are reporting on. At a guess id say they may order a batch of A333s as a stop gap until they can get there hands on the A350. Unlikely they'll go 777w in my opinion.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
As to short haul types, I'd eat my lederhosen if they chose the 737-MAX over the A320 NEO. But stranger things have happened and availability may be an issue.

I'd be pretty sure that a) LH placed options when they originally ordered their first batch of NEOs and b) there are still some slots available in the time beyond that, i.e. between the end of their first 30 NEO deliveries and 2025.
As for the long-haul decision, I agree they won't introduce a new type with an order for just 8, i.e. this won't be their long-awaited order for A350/787, but a top-up of either A330, 747-8i or A380 (or a mix thereof).
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:52 am

I think A333E or 748I for the widebody and Neo for the narrowbody order.

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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:54 am

Just found this at Bloomberg:

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The company said the aircraft order will be a blend of Airbus SAS and Boeing Co. airliners, while not disclosing the exact types.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...uro-plane-purchase.html?cmpid=yhoo

Sounds like they're almost done negotiating and have a clear idea of the types and numbers involved.
MAX seems unlikely, so it's probably going to be NEO and some 747-8i, plus maybe 3 - 5 A380s (they should still have 3 options for the type). There's one 747-8i LH said they would likely re-order after they cancelled their order for an early frame that now stays with Boeing.
Then again - LH may surprise us with a mix of MAX and NEO, plus 747-8i/A380s; Lufthansa Technik would surely be providing maintenance for MAX anyway, and LH have been successfully operating 737 Classic and A32S side-by-side, as well as different engine types on the A32S family members. They also have plenty of pilots trained on 737 Classic for whom the transition to 737MAX shouldn't take too long. One catch: The 737s are supposed to leave the fleet by 2016, while MAX has an EIS of 2017 (if all goes well), and most early slots are already taken.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:43 am

Quoting anfromme (Reply 18):

If LH orders the 737 max, it will be somewhat of a surprise to me as they seem to favor Airbus with their recent orders for the Neo. They currently operate 39 737 300/500's of which I suspect the 100 plane narrowbody will replace. As most of you know, LH likes to keep things simple and going Boeing for their narrowbody fleet does the exact opposite. Yes they have classics right now, by why add costs when you can trim it??

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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:58 am

So if this is going to be a blend of Airbus and Boeing aircraft and we know it will be for 100 short haul and 8 long haul aircraft it is very likely that the split will be 100 short haul aircraft for Airbus aircraft and the 8 long haul aircraft will go to Boeing.

For the 8 long haul aircraft there are two choices: 8 747-8Is for LH main line and even if many don´t believe it 8 777W for Swiss. From what I have read over the last few weeks I would not be surprised if it will be the later. Swiss wants the 777W. They need a bigger plane for their routes to Brazil. The 747-8I which was also briefly considered is too big. They don´t want 2nd hand A346s for various reasons, this option is of the table. That leaves only the 777W if they want a bigger plane in 2015. LH already has experience with the 777 with Austrian, Aero Logic and Lufthansa Cargo has them on order, too. It is not that the 777 will be an oddball within the LH group.

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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:32 am

Would love to see some more 747-8i's no matter what airline. The 747 is a legend I really hope doesnt die like the DC-10 is just about to.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:34 am

I would say 8 747-800s for the wide bodies and 100 A320NEOs family for the narrow body.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:03 am

German air-industry newspage aero.de reports (unconfirmed!)

6x 777 for SWISS (most probably 77W)
2x A380 for LH

http://www.aero.de/news-16911/Luftha...12-operativen-Gewinnrueckgang.html

[Edited 2013-02-20 03:03:53]
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:20 am

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):
2x A380 for LH

Seems like Lufthansa is very happy with the A380.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:23 am

Looks like the 777 beats the 748 again.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:24 am

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):
6x 777 for SWISS (most probably 77W)
2x A380 for LH

If that turns out to be true, that will be a bit disappointing for some here in this thread...
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:25 am

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):

German air-industry newspage aero.de reports (unconfirmed!)

6x 777 for SWISS (most probably 77W)
2x A380 for LH

http://www.aero.de/news-16911/Luftha....html

That would definitely be a negative surprise for me if true. My most disliked widebody for Swiss   I sincerely hoped LH would have succeeded in avoiding 777 classics (ok, except the freighters, which will surely be great as the MD11 replacements available). The 77W seems to be the only plane in the size Swiss needs now. I think a ten year lease deal makes more sense then buying, because in the eraly 20s the 77W will technologically be what the A346 is now.

Anway, its Swiss, I fly LH, and they have the 748I thank god! I had hoped for some more of those though.
I expect many of the narrowbodies will be for Swiss then, too.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Seems like Lufthansa is very happy with the A380.

They are very happy with both the A380 and the 748.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
If LH orders the 737 max, it will be somewhat of a surprise to me as they seem to favor Airbus with their recent orders for the Neo. They currently operate 39 737 300/500's of which I suspect the 100 plane narrowbody will replace. As most of you know, LH likes to keep things simple and going Boeing for their narrowbody fleet does the exact opposite.

Well, they're not really keeping things that simple - they ordered their last 737 Classics (by way of converting orders) in 1995. They had already been operating A320s for six years at that point.
Also, they're one of only two airlines to order the A380 and the 747-8i. Not to mention that while all other airlines seem to go with a single engine choice for their A320 family planes, LH went with CFM on their A319/A320 and IAE for their A321 fleet.
So I wouldn't put it beyond them to go with, say, 65 NEO (30 on order, plus 35 from the 100-frame contingent to be decided upon) and 65 MAX if they find that the mix suits them.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
So if this is going to be a blend of Airbus and Boeing aircraft

Actually, I may have to go back on that statement - while Bloomberg quotes LH as stating that the order will be a mix of Airbus and Boeing, all other news reports and quotes I could find only stated that they are negotiating with Airbus and Boeing, which would still leave open the possibility of a 100% A or 100% B order.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
we know it will be for 100 short haul and 8 long haul aircraft it is very likely that the split will be 100 short haul aircraft for Airbus aircraft and the 8 long haul aircraft will go to Boeing.

Just considering the long-haul order, I wouldn't be so sure it'd be 100% Boeing.
While I think LH is going to top up their 747-8i order by at least 1 (to bring it back to the 20 they originally ordered), they also still have three options on the A380 originally placed when they first ordered the plane (as far as I could find). I would imagine the conditions they got on those options are quite good, so I could definitely see a split of, say, 3 A380 and 5 747-8i, which would give them a total fleet size of 24 747-8i and 20 A380.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
For the 8 long haul aircraft there are two choices: 8 747-8Is for LH main line and even if many don´t believe it 8 777W for Swiss. From what I have read over the last few weeks I would not be surprised if it will be the later. Swiss wants the 777W.

But they want it to replace their A340s - and they've got 15 of those. Also, the statements released by LH suggest that the 8 long-haul planes are to be used by LH itself. Even if a decision in favour of 777 was imminent at LX, which would help economics for a LH 777 order, along with the Austrian and LH Cargo/AeroLogic 777s, I think that 8 777s wouldn't be a realistic number for LH as they have 48 A340s (24 -300 and 24 -600).
Which is why I still think this 8-frame order is going to be 747-8i/A380 or a mix thereof.

Some press statements over the last few days also said that LH would decide on 787/A350 in autumn, so that's when I would expect the decision on any 777/777X/787/A350 for A340 replacement at LX and LH.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
They need a bigger plane for their routes to Brazil. [...] the 777W if they want a bigger plane in 2015. LH already has experience with the 777 with Austrian, Aero Logic and Lufthansa Cargo has them on order, too. It is not that the 777 will be an oddball within the LH group.

Possibly, but as I stated above - 8 frames would not be a realistic number for LH or LX, never mind both of them combined. So I don't see any 777s at least in that 8-frame order - the order expected in autumn may be a different matter, though.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 25):
Looks like the 777 beats the 748 again.

Well, since part of these wide-bodies are for Swiss, the choice seems logical if this is confirmed.

Quoting na (Reply 27):
They are very happy with both the A380 and the 748.

I guess they are. And good for them and us. More 4-holers in the sky is always a good thing in my book.  .
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:46 am

LH as befitting a major airline with the interests of its shareholders in mind, will be scrupulously fair in evaluating the A320 NEO and 737 MAX side by side, looking at everything from purchase cost down to residual value in 20 years time.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:50 am

Quoting anfromme (Reply 28):
But they want it to replace their A340s - and they've got 15 of those.

Of the 15 frames currently in the fleet six need to be replaced quite soon as they are older and their leasing contracts expire. These six frames are

HB-JMJ (cn 150, built 1996)
HB-JMK (cn 169, built 1997)
HB-JML (cn 263, built 1999)
HB-JMM (cn 154, built 1996)
HB-JMN (cn 175, built 1997)
HB-JMO (cn 179, built 1997)

The other nine frames were built in 2003 and 2004. Therefore these planes will need to be replaced later on. My guess is that LH will look into the 777X as well as A350-1000 as a replacement for these aircrafts.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:09 pm

I think the 77W is perfectly suited for LX and a nice introduction to the wider LH group fleet. A carrier the size of LH cannot have exclusives, especially when they can have sub-fleets big enough to benefit from the pro's of both OEM's product lines.

This will open the door to the 777X for future replacements at all LH group airlines.

On the narrow-body front I think LH group is to stick with Airbus for now.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:11 pm

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 21):
The 747 is a legend I really hope doesnt die like the DC-10 is just about to.

It will. Just as every type does eventually.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 33):
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 21):
The 747 is a legend I really hope doesnt die like the DC-10 is just about to.

It will. Just as every type does eventually.

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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:35 pm

Are there any 77W Production slots available ?
Maybe LH gets another huuuuuuuuuuuuuge Discount on more 748i to keep the production line ongoing...
I would love to see 748i with Swiss (and maybe Austrian)...

Or do they get a very good discount on the 763ER/W brand new, available now and giving good PR to cover a little the Nightmareliner's desaster?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:41 pm

Excellent call by PillinBRN against all the odds - could you advise this weeks winning lottery numbers too please?!

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:46 pm

My hopes are that LX will get some 748i's as replacements. But it is more likely that LH gets new longhaul aircraft, and some LH metal will be transferred to LX. This can be 346 or even 343's ( which I don't hope ).
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:50 pm

From a recent interview with John Leahy:

"there are two A380 slots available by the end of 2015 and a few more in 2016."

LH could get those 2 A380s in less than 3 years if it really needs them.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting CiC (Reply 35):
Or do they get a very good discount on the 763ER/W brand new, available now and giving good PR to cover a little the Nightmareliner's desaster?

.... Oh dear, where to start? LH getting back in the 767 game or compensation for an aircraft they didn't order? On the other hand, better leave it alone.

Back on topic, there was a thought upstream of the wide-body order consisting of 3 x A380 and 5 x B748 option conversions. Makes perfect sense to me, so I'll be happy to throw my 0.02 cents in that pot. As for the narrow-body, I fully expect that LH Group will order both the neo and MAX. Partially because they're bound to be as close performance wise as the present generation is today, partially because they have large enough fleets to sustain it and partially because it will benefit LH Technik tremendously. Thus a split order, possibly a bit Airbus heavy, would not surprise me. Neither would it surprise me if the MAX order was assigned to either SN or OS, with LX and LH going neo.

Then, as we move into autumn, the A350/787 battle can be split down existing lines, with SN and OS to take the Boeing and LX and LH to take the Airbus. Nice and tidy.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):
German air-industry newspage aero.de reports (unconfirmed!)
6x 777 for SWISS (most probably 77W)
2x A380 for LH
http://www.aero.de/news-16911/Luftha....html

Interesting, still difficult to believe they would go with the 777.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 31):
Of the 15 frames currently in the fleet six need to be replaced quite soon as they are older and their leasing contracts expire

- I doubt the leasing companie(s) have any takers lined up for these when they come off lease, no reason why they could not be extended until a suitable 787/A350 delivery is possible.
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:11 pm

IF Lufthansa orders 777 for SWISS or itself that would be Boeing ulimate revenge. A330-300 seem to be th right replacement for A340's. The 8 long haul will probably be A380 and 748's.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):
6x 777 for SWISS (most probably 77W)
2x A380 for LH

Interesting move on the 777. This would bring the LH A380 order up to the current SQ fleet of 19.

EK: 90 orders (31 so far)
SQ: 24 orders (19 so far)
QF: 20 orders (12 so far)
LH: 19 orders (10 so far)
 
PhilInBRN
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:32 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 42):
A330-300 seem to be th right replacement for A340's.

In this case the A333 is not the ideal replacement. LX needs the range that the A343 provides to serve destinations such as GRU, JNB, HKG etc. It's also well known that Swiss wants to offer more capacity both in the passenger and cargo compartment. In my opinion the 77W fits these requirements best. Another key criteria is availability, as I've indicated in my post above, as six 340s need to be replaced rather sooner than later.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 41):
no reason why they could not be extended until a suitable 787/A350 delivery is possible.

Hohmeister has stated on several occasions that LX is not happy with the operating costs of their A340-300 fleet. The option of adding some A346s from LH has also been rejected with the same reasons in mind.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:39 pm

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 23):
German air-industry newspage aero.de reports (unconfirmed!)

I think "air-industry newspage" is a bit exaggerated.

And as of yesterday, LH was negotiating with Boeing and Airbus, so I doubt that they would confirm / leak information about a decision to an internet site.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:42 pm

In other (little) news LH is bringing back to service one of the stored early-built 744s. Aircraft in question is D-ABVD from 1990 according to skyliner-aviation.de.
 
LH422
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting na (Reply 46):
In other (little) news LH is bringing back to service one of the stored early-built 744s. Aircraft in question is D-ABVD from 1990 according to skyliner-aviation.de.

This invalidates my post All Lufthansa Widebodys Now Have Avod In Y (by LH422 Feb 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
PanAm1971
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:11 pm

I'd love to see another order for 748's! The slots are avialable... LH has been happy with them (according to posts on this site) and they can put them to good, profitable use. Fingers crossed!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:44 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 6):
My guess is for 8 77W for LX

Ohnooooo, pleaeaeaease, keep LH / LX / OA / SK 777-free. The 3-3-3 is so un-comfortable as compared to 2-4-2 and the 777 is an awfully loud aircraft compared to RRed 332s / 333s or 342 / 343s for those sitting inside.
There are a number of second hand 345s available, which LX could get at a really cheap price - since nobody wants to have them -, it seems.

Best,

Ferroviarius, not in the airline industry, just a somewhat frequent traveller and happy LX customer.

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