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Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:22 pm

SAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) - According to Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport officials, Delta Flight 2307, a DC-9 inbound from Atlanta, went off the runway after landing in Savannah at approximately 6:49 p.m. Tuesday.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/21255091/d...f-runway-after-landing-in-savannah

Hope this isn't a repost. Checked with negative results.



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Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:28 pm

Well it could have been a lot worse. I feel do for the passengers though, as an hour is a long time to be sitting on a plane that isn't moving.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:50 pm

Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:01 pm

Quoting SavannahMark (Thread starter):
SAVANNAH, GA (WTOC) - According to Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport officials, Delta Flight 2307, a DC-9 inbound from Atlanta, went off the runway after landing in Savannah at approximately 6:49 p.m. Tuesday.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/21255091/d...f-runway-after-landing-in-savannah

Hope this isn't a repost. Checked with negative results.

Hrm I've flown this flight many times. And others into SAV. It isn't the longest runway, but never a problem.

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame.

Well what do you expect them to say? It was so much fun?


I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect. And where did they actually run off? The end of the runway? The edge of the taxiway after they turned off the runway? Ran off the taxiway after the pilot tried to turn the aircraft off the runway at speed???
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:11 pm

No I don't expect it to have been fun lol! Never said that. I understood it to mean that when they were turning onto the taxiway the nose wheel hit grass. According to DL.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:15 pm

I like the "women and children first".....to board buses to the terminal, like it was a sinking ship and not enough lifeboats.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 4):
I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect. And where did they actually run off? The end of the runway? The edge of the taxiway after they turned off the runway? Ran off the taxiway after the pilot tried to turn the aircraft off the runway at speed???

Is it Taxiway A at the intersection of Rwy10? That's usually the preferred landing direction.

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame

Everyone's an armchair expert! They'd be up in arms if they knew they were flying on a 35-40 year old aircraft on top of the "too fast too high" landing  
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 3):
I'd be more interested to hear about this fast and high aspect.

Eyewitnesses are notoriously bad at "eyewitnessing." It's like people who say the plane was "on fire" before it crashed.

For all we know, it could have been a normal landing with some blown tires and a loss of directional control. We just have way too little data to narrow the speculation.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:35 pm

The "to high and fast" comment from the eye witless made me laugh.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting n126dl (Reply 6):
Everyone's an armchair expert! They'd be up in arms if they knew they were flying on a 35-40 year old aircraft on top of the "too fast too high" landing  

At least the article got the plane type right. Cudos to the reporter.

Anyone know which plane this is? Surely by now some Delta folks have a pretty good idea of what happened.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:40 pm

time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 8):
The "to high and fast" comment from the eye witless made me laugh.

Agreed. I'm curious as to what qualifications he has to make that assessment. Probably nothing more than being a Diamond elite.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:08 pm

I'm more annoyed with A.net nerds than passengers on an airplane which had an accident. Let's lambast a passenger on the plane before we even know the truth of the incident, then complain that said passengers are inaccurate in their statements to the media. Hypocrisy is indefensible.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 3):
Well what do you expect them to say? It was so much fun?

I would be nice if just once they wouldn't play arm chair pilot.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):

ah yes, those of us who work in/on/around the aircraft should shut up but those that fly once a year.....Good lord let them speak! GMAFB  
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 13):
ah yes, those of us who work in/on/around the aircraft should shut up but those that fly once a year.....Good lord let them speak! GMAFB

Now, now, I fly more than once a year! Surely I am allowed to speak! LOL
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
Anyone know which plane this is? Surely by now some Delta folks have a pretty good idea of what happened.

Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL

Hardly. With the 90's refurbs, the 9's are every bit as nice as the MD-88's. Much, much more preferable to the CRJ-200's that replaced them on many routes up here in the north. Fortunately, many of the CRJ-200's are being retired soon. CRJ-200's are the piece of crap planes that you should be complaining about. The DC9's are much nicer, better built, and more reliable than those aircraft in my experience.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:43 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
Now, now, I fly more than once a year! Surely I am allowed to speak! LOL

Even if you fly 5 times a week, that doesn't mean you know anything about how aircraft work, what happens, what didn't happen etc. I don't expect them to come off happy and cheerful but the "oh something was wrong, we came in to fast" crap gets old. Were you in the cockpit? have you been trained on what the DC-9 landing speeds are? Did your seat have an airspeed indicator in the arm rest? Almost always the answer is "uh...no"
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 16):
Hardly. With the 90's refurbs, the 9's are every bit as nice as the MD-88's. Much, much more preferable to the CRJ-200's that replaced them on many routes up here in the north. Fortunately, many of the CRJ-200's are being retired soon. CRJ-200's are the piece of crap planes that you should be complaining about. The DC9's are much nicer, better built, and more reliable than those aircraft in my experience.

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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:03 pm

Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Kinda sad about the plane though. If there is any damage at all, it will probably be a W/O, since the 9s are already scheduled for retirement.   
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
I'm more annoyed with A.net nerds than passengers on an airplane which had an accident. Let's lambast a passenger on the plane before we even know the truth of the incident, then complain that said passengers are inaccurate in their statements to the media. Hypocrisy is indefensible.

It's hardly hypocrisy to point out that someone who offered up their opinion most likely had no idea what he was talking about. How someone sitting in the back of the bus who had no idea what the airspeed was on approach, likely didn't have an idea of how high they were other than looking out the window, had no idea where the aircraft was in relation to the glideslope, and who had no idea what altitude and airspeed the aircraft should have been at was able to tell that they were "too high and too fast" is beyond me.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting n126dl (Reply 15):
Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?

Pretty sure they don't have autoland. (unless it was installed after I left)

Not that I would ever defend a pax, but if the runway had a displaced threshold for some reason, it would appear (from his/her perspective, seeing a lot of r/w going by the window) that the approach was high.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:11 pm

Based on the pictures you can determine the following:
The aircraft landed to the north and landed on runway 1. The aircraft appears to have started to turn and ran off taxiway A2, not off the end of runway 1. Tire skid marks are visible in one of the photos. A 3 sets of gear departed the taxiway.

Runway 1 is the shorter of the 2 runways, at 7000 ft.

Quoting n126dl (Reply 15):
Also, does anyone know if DC9-51s are equipped with an AP that allows for autoland? It was foggy last night across the river in HHH and it looked a bit foggy in the images from the news. Maybe that's where the "fast and high" comment came from?

A passenger would not be able to determine fast and high. Plus, DC-9s by nature happen to have a lot of power adjustments during final approach and landing where its more noticable with the whine of the JT8Ds versus newer higher bypass engines.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 20):
Glad to hear that everyone is okay. Kinda sad about the plane though. If there is any damage at all, it will probably be a W/O, since the 9s are already scheduled for retirement.

The aircraft is ferrying back to ATL within the hour.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:00 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE, do you happen to know the registration number of the aircraft in question? Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:04 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
The aircraft is ferrying back to ATL within the hour.

I guess no early retirement for this bird.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:20 pm

N770NC, currently being ferried back to ATL.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL

And was it the DC-9's fault it went off the runway? Was it pilot error? Other? Please enlighten us, why would this not have happened if it was a 738?
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
I like the "women and children first".....to board buses to the terminal, like it was a sinking ship and not enough lifeboats.

Maybe a decision to clear the area of the ones most susceptible to burst into hysterics...
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..

I think that is probably a very valid (and perhaps true) observation. Let's give pax some credit here. Anyone who has flown a lot will know if something is amiss in a landing. Each time I land and take off I am well aware if things don't sound right or we are "floating" too long over the threshold.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:09 pm

Pax dont have altimeters, DME, ILS NAV instruments, speed indicators or any indication how a dc-9 is supposed to handle on different approaches. That was my point. I'm not saying it's not possible, but 95% of pax observations are just crap. And leave it to journalists to squeeze it out of them.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
I'm not saying it's not possible, but 95% of pax observations are just crap. And leave it to journalists to squeeze it out of them.

To be fair to journalists, the only sources they have are the passengers because flight crew and all airline employees are barred per policy from commenting on the incident, and the airline public affairs office will also nearly always decline to comment at least for a few days. No editor will accept an article that says "A Delta DC-9 reportedly ran off the taxiway or runway, no further information is available at this time." The journalist is under pressure to write a story with a certain amount of detail and his or her employer only cares about how meaty it is, not how accurate it is.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
95% of pax observations are just crap

And your source for this comment is.........? I'll say it again: people who fly a lot will know if something is amiss. I, and I suspect quite a few pax, am very much aware of the speed, the sounds and the position of an ac when in a take off, landing or cruise mode and no, I don't have any instruments with me. Just my common sense and experience.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:02 pm

fast and high? They landed at night in light fog. The passengers don't have a clue.

As a passenger, I can usually tell when float a little over the TDZ at my home airport. That is only during good visibility during daylight hours.

Sure, I hear noises, wonder about the approach, but without sitting upfront, it is just a guess.

We all know what the media will do in this situation.





Media insider information hint:

There is a derogatory insider term that reporters use in this situation. The reporters are on deadline to produce a story.
The term is " Triple A " which stands for ASK ANY A......

For the readers that are not versed in colloquial English, A...... refers to a part of the human anatomy that is not very nice.
But the meaning of the term is: interview the first person that will talk to you, not matter what they say and the more dramatic the better.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 32):
Media insider information hint:

There is a derogatory insider term that reporters use in this situation. The reporters are on deadline to produce a story.
The term is " Triple A " which stands for ASK ANY A......

For the readers that are not versed in colloquial English, A...... refers to a part of the human anatomy that is not very nice.
But the meaning of the term is: interview the first person that will talk to you, not matter what they say and the more dramatic the better.

Kind of like Antoine Dodson...aka Bed Intruder.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting B737900 (Reply 31):
And your source for this comment is.........? I'll say it again: people who fly a lot will know if something is amiss. I, and I suspect quite a few pax, am very much aware of the speed, the sounds and the position of an ac when in a take off, landing or cruise mode and no, I don't have any instruments with me. Just my common sense and experience.

You're not going to get a lot of acceptance for this here. At best, from the back of the plane, all you can tell is ground speed and approximate elevation above the ground. Considering the vast array of conditions that may cause a faster or slower landing, even being aware of the speed doesn't mean you can judge whether or not it's the correct speed without having a lot more information.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:42 pm

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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:44 pm

Funny thing is, the person sounds like he'd have an A.NET membership...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 33):
Kind of like Antoine Dodson...aka Bed Intruder.

Hid your kids PSU! LOL
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:45 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
And leave it to journalists to squeeze it out of them.

There will be a time (right now, yesterday, last year) when we miss those journalists who at the very least made the effort to speak to anyone directly involved with a story. An unfortunate amount of "news" nowadays is just indiscriminate re-tweeting, facts and accuracy be damned.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:47 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
Pax dont have altimeters, DME, ILS NAV instruments, speed indicators or any indication how a dc-9 is supposed to handle on different approaches. That was my point. I'm not saying it's not possible, but 95% of pax observations are just crap. And leave it to journalists to squeeze it out of them.

Yep. Just like this website. A lot of speculation and know-it-all attitudes even worse than the passangers. At least the passengers were on the plane.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):

time to retire these piece of crap airplanes. I fly them often on MLB-ATL

REALLY?!
        
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:38 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
time to retire these piece of crap airplanes.

If they were pieces of crap, they'd have retired them 35 years ago.   
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:06 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
Plus, DC-9s by nature happen to have a lot of power adjustments during final approach and landing where its more noticable with the whine of the JT8Ds versus newer higher bypass engines.


That explains the landings I had in the 88s! I wondered why the engines spooled up to almost takeoff settings when we were just feet from the ground! Thank you!

Anyway, just happy to hear that there were no injuries. It seems like we have more and more aircraft running off the runway lately. Does anyone else think so?
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
A passenger would not be able to determine fast and high. Plus, DC-9s by nature happen to have a lot of power adjustments during final approach and landing where its more noticable with the whine of the JT8Ds versus newer higher bypass engines.

That clears up why I got a bit flustered when we were landing in RSW a few weeks ago. It felt and looked like we were going a bit fast, but it wasn't horrible. I will say that it was a hard landing though, and the choir of gasps that rang throughout the cabin s soon as we touched down seemed to agree!  
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:13 am

Quoting flyerboy1990 (Reply 41):
It seems like we have more and more aircraft running off the runway lately. Does anyone else think so?

Good question. More occurances or wider spread news coverage perhaps?
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:49 am

Quoting michman (Reply 16):
across the river in HHH

Awesome to see fellow HXD-ers on the fourms!

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 19):
lately I'm taking MLB-ATL on DC9, then ATL-LEX on CRJ200   Please help me. Get me a 777 from MLB to LEX, that would make life perfect LOL. I agree, CRJ200s are crap as well.

I feel your pain flying to LEX, although the 200's (which I despise) are a lot better than the Jetsream 31's US Air used on the CLT route back in the day.

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 23):
The aircraft landed to the north and landed on runway 1. The aircraft appears to have started to turn and ran off taxiway A2

I've landed runway 1 in SAV at night with light rain on a full 757 and the guys up front managed to get us off at E. IMHO this sounds like pilot fatigue compounded by crappy weather.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:57 am

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 38):

Exactly.
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:44 am

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 45):
IMHO this sounds like pilot fatigue compounded by crappy weather.

Could be. Under identical conditions, I don't think a similar incident would occur once the 717s are delivered.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 35):

N770NC is back in ATL and scheduled to fly ATL-SAV again this evening as DL1484

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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:29 pm

Quoting B737900 (Reply 31):
And your source for this comment is.........? I'll say it again: people who fly a lot will know if something is amiss. I, and I suspect quite a few pax, am very much aware of the speed, the sounds and the position of an ac when in a take off, landing or cruise mode and no, I don't have any instruments with me. Just my common sense and experience.

So then you know what speeds any aircraft can land in, in any condition? Congrats on that. I don't think I have ever found a pilot that knows that kind of info of every aircraft ever made. Tell me though, How do you have the airspeed indicator set up? I mean, I don't think airlines are going to be willing to let a pax put their own gauges at their seats......  

Oh, what you mean is you THINK you know and you generally GUESS the speed. Got it.  
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 46):
Built to last.

Actually, N770NC is still out of service. I was just going off flightaware for the ship tracking.

I believe N770NC was the last DC-9-50 to go through a HMV cycle, so in theory it should be one of the last ones to remain in service.
 
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RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:20 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Jesus I love all these expert eyewitness passengers lol...people were bracing themselves on the seat in front of them. Pilot was coming in too high and too fast..I knew something was wrong..smh. Anything for their 15seconds of fame.

It always amazes me that these armchair aviation "experts" always seem to have CNN on speed dial.
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