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LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:10 pm

Anyone know more regarding the proposal and divesting slots in JFK?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...itedairlines-idUSBRE91J0YF20130220

The three airlines last year proposed giving up landing and take-off slots at Frankfurt and New York's airports following a three-year investigation by the European Commission into their revenue-sharing, pricing and capacity pacts.

The EU antitrust authority sought feedback from rivals and third parties in December last year.

"The Commission is likely to accept the airlines' proposal with some fine tuning," said the person who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:13 pm

I am curious what is the difference between this and A++? Also what about LX, OZ, and SN since their parent is LH?
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting flyby519 (Thread starter):
Anyone know more regarding the proposal and divesting slots in JFK?

Based on the article, it appears regulators are set to accept the airlines' proposed competition remedies, which included the slots.

Depending on what conditions are placed on the airlines interested in utilizing those slots, I would not be surprised to see AA seek a slot pair at JFK and FRA to operate a flight (likely a daily 757). JFK-FRA is a prime business route, a key NYC international market AA doesn't serve, and this would be a nice opportunity to deprive a competitor of a prime-time slot at JFK.
 
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:38 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 1):
I am curious what is the difference between this and A++? Also what about LX, OZ, and SN since their parent is LH?

This is A++ and I believe when they say Lufthansa they are referring to the LH Group....
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
JFK-FRA is a prime business route, a key NYC international market AA doesn't serve, and this would be a nice opportunity to deprive a competitor of a prime-time slot at JFK.

AA could start JFK-FRA today if they wanted to. The fact that they fly from DFW instead of JFK tells me that they wouldn't be able to compete on the JFK-FRA route anyway. It's a similar situation to UA dropping JFK-LHR. Just because it's a lucrative route for one airline it doesn't mean it works for everyone. In addition, after the merger they will have more FRA slots than they need given that without LH feed at FRA, they'll probably drop some FRA routes.
 
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
AA could start JFK-FRA today if they wanted to.

True, although why not do it with a competitor's slots?

Again - it will all depend on how the regulatory ruling is structured. If it precludes airlines from applying that already hold slots at similar times, then AA would obviously not be permitted. But if not, AA could apply and take these slots - thus adding to their slot holding at JFK rather than just exchanging one slot for another.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
The fact that they fly from DFW instead of JFK tells me that they wouldn't be able to compete on the JFK-FRA route anyway.

Perhaps, although I still think a daily 757 could work for AA.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
Just because it's a lucrative route for one airline it doesn't mean it works for everyone.

Thus why I never said that it would work for AA on the basis that it works for other airlines. I claimed that it would work for AA on the basis of the large, premium-heavy local market.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
In addition, after the merger they will have more FRA slots than they need given that without LH feed at FRA, they'll probably drop some FRA routes.

I doubt it. I suspect AA will continue to fly to FRA from - at least - DFW, CLT and PHL. I just expect that - absent as much LH feed/connectivity - CLT and PHL will both go to just a daily flight, probably with a PMAA 763 rather than the larger PMUS 330s. In addition, I think AA could also make a 757 work JFK-FRA.
 
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
This is A++ and I believe when they say Lufthansa they are referring to the LH Group....

So does that mean SN is part of it? I have a few friends there who have told me that rumors are rampant about a BRU-SFO and/or BRU-ORD flight(s) on SN.
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RE: LH/AC/UA Cleared For ATI By EU

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:30 pm

A++ is basically an alliance within an alliance.

p.s. - yes SN is part of the A++. Their inclusion was approved back in 2011 which allowed SN to announce its JFK service immediately.

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