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UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:48 am

As noted in the OAG thread UA will be launching twice weekly 757 (sUA) nonstop service from EWR to ANC. CO has flown EWR-ANC in the past.

I'm going to go out on a ledge and say UA serves more US States from the NYC area than any other airline. They fly to Hawaii and now Alaska nonstop from EWR.
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:03 am

UA doesnt serve Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Mexico, Mississippi, Delware, or West Virgina from EWR. Surprised about WV but UA still flies to 43 states from EWR. Not bad.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:09 am

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
Delaware

to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:13 am

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
I'm going to go out on a ledge and say UA serves more US States from the NYC area than any other airline. They fly to Hawaii and now Alaska nonstop from EWR.

This is state #38 for United out of the NYC metro area. Next closest is Delta, which isn't far behind at 33. (I'm excluding PR/VI/DC). Delta has Alabama (BHM) and Utah (SLC), United has Connecticut (BDL), Montana (BZN), Hawaii (HNL), Wyoming (JAC), Oklahoma (OKC/TUL), Rhode Island (PVD) and now Alaska (ANC).

That being said, United has 81 domestic (US+DC) destinations out of the NYC area, while Delta is right on their heels at 75 (US+DC).
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:19 am

Interesting, I should try it out sometime...

When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:24 am

EWR-ANC is 3370 miles per great circle mapper. Wonder how the route will perform. If it does perform well, i'd expect it to go to 5x weekly or daily.

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?

It may have been operating daily (if seasonally) in ~2002, with a 757-200.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:34 am

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
Delaware

to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

That didn't last long. It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):
That being said, United has 81 domestic (US+DC) destinations out of the NYC area, while Delta is right on their heels at 75 (US+DC).

Funny, I just tallied this for AA today to pass the time on a fligh this afternoon. I came up with 50 nonstop destinations from the NYC airports for AA/AA* and I think US wil add two more. While 52 is solidy behind UA and DL, I'm a tad surprised that gap is not larger. If the B6 tie continues, that probably puts them in a pretty competitive position with the other two.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):

That was 1985. They had a contest also and people cheated.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:01 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
That didn't last long. It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

Delta also did the all 50 states thing in the past 5 years as well.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:52 am

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
New Mexico

Continental flew EWR-ABQ in the past, so it could come back, though it would be overflying ORD, IAH, and DEN (sorry CLE).
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:52 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

UA has long served markets in Vermont (BTV), Wyoming (Laramie, Cheyenne, Jackson, etc...), and probably ND as well (though not all from NYC). The whole fuss really was about Delaware. But by serving 50 states, I do not think they ever meant all 50 states from NYC.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:56 am

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:01 am

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)


.... probably not. As mentioned earlier DL tried service to ATL a few years ago it was not a commercial success. The issue is that ILG is too close to PHL...it's less than a 30 minute drive.

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:02 am

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):

Well the only 2 airlines I think might try ILG at some point is Frontier and the new PeoplExpress (if they ever get off the ground). Frontier not as likely as it would be likely not to happen without TTN going south.
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:07 am

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 15):
Well the only 2 airlines I think might try ILG at some point is Frontier and the new PeoplExpress (if they ever get off the ground). Frontier not as likely as it would be likely not to happen without TTN going south.

Any chance of Allegiant? They seem to find small airports and make revenue off them. But you're probably right, I think people would prefer PHL or Amtrak along the NEC.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:08 am

Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, will Delaware get airline service anytime soon or will it just be known as the state that can't fly (commercially)

Probably not I'd guess - Wilmington is under 30 miles to PHL and under 70 to BWI, while the southern part of the state could either go to someplace like SBY in MD. So yeah just not a very good location to get dedicated air service based on proximity to major airports in the north and a small but viable one (SBY) in the south.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:30 am

I've forgotten what year we flew it but it was a long time ago CO flew EWR-ANC non stop.


I did it a few times and it was an interesting flight, trivia for you it had to be flown under ETOPS rules due to the remote region and lack of diversionary airports under a lot of the flight path.


ETOPS is not just for over water !

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:52 am

Well it will be nice to have 2 extra flights...Not a big gain in my opinion.

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:56 am

It won't last long if the yields aren't good. That's a long domestic route. I'm sure cargo would do well on it.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:05 am

Quoting atct (Reply 19):
Well it will be nice to have 2 extra flights...Not a big gain in my opinion
Quoting toobz (Reply 20):
I'm sure cargo would do well on it.

Fully agree with my ATC colleague, it's nice to have but it don't amount to much.

And I don't see much hope that this will be a banner route for cargo either, especially 2 days per week.
The best yield on the belly cargo will be live animals (if UA permits), the QuickPak express product and US mail, if selected. All of which would probably amount to very little weight, which is actually good because laden with fuel for the longhaul, payload will be limited. Even if 10 to 15K pounds of payload remains available (extremely optimistic), the revenue generated on standard freight is but a fraction of the high-yield cargo products already mentioned.


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Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:45 am

Well, it may not be much, but as a loyal CO flyer in ANC, I'll take what I can get.
This would make travel to Europe SO MUCH EASIER. One stop!?!? Yes, please! Beats the pants off of ANC-SEA-IAH-LHR or ANC-DEN-EWR-CDG.

I hope this route makes tons of cash, because I want it to stick around!

Do we think this has better chances than US's ANC-PHL failure???
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:31 am

Hey Astrojet,

I'd love to see this one stick around, I really would. In fact, I would go so far as to try to make the case that the Widget should do much the same thing with a flight to/from JFK! But having said that, and not even searching for the schedule for this "new" UA flight, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the departure time from ANC will not mesh well with the evening departures from EWR to Europe and the World. I suspect an evening depart from ANC and early A.M. arrival at EWR.

No matter what the hour, I would think that UA via EWR will be stronger than US via PHL, no matter what.

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 23):
I suspect an evening depart from ANC and early A.M. arrival at EWR.

Yup, departs ANC at 9:00Pm and arrives at EWR 7:55Am. It allows a connection to the Morning LHR flight, but I think this route is catering to O&D traffic between the NYC area and ANC. The EWR departure is 4:25Pm arriving ANC at 8:03Pm.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):
Montana (BZN
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 1):
UA doesnt serve Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, New Mexico, Mississippi, Delware, or West Virgina from EWR.

They have a codeshare, with Amtrak, from EWR to Wilmington Delaware.

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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:04 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
.... probably not. As mentioned earlier DL tried service to ATL a few years ago it was not a commercial success. The issue is that ILG is too close to PHL...it's less than a 30 minute drive.

Probably less than that. I rented an Avis car a couple weeks ago after missing a connection to DCA at PHL. I was through both Pennsylvania and Delaware and at the toll booths on the Maryland border within 55 minutes of leaving the PHL rent-a-car facility.

That's the point of the new planned F9 service from TTN -- north of PHL. From Trenton you'd have to drive though the gridlocked city to get to PHL which takes time. From Wilmington you don't.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:17 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 11):

No need to be sorry about CLE. CO flew CLE-ABQ in the past as well.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):

EWR-ANC is 3370 miles per great circle mapper. Wonder how the route will perform. If it does perform well, i'd expect it to go to 5x weekly or daily.

KH

I am sure it is seasonal for the cruise industry.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 27):
I am sure it is seasonal for the cruise industry.

Most definitely for tourism -- Alaska is beautiful in the summer. But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage.

Most Alaska cruises originate in Vancouver. A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
Most definitely for tourism -- Alaska is beautiful in the summer. But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage.

Most Alaska cruises originate in Vancouver. A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Princess and Holland American do one ways through Alaska that either end or begin in Seaward. Having worked for the cruise industry it is true a few originate from both Vancouver and Seattle, Seaward is a major port as well.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:54 pm

Maybe UA is testing the waters again. Get a legup on the competition.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:52 pm

Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route. I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

Also to note, based on the DL SEA-LAS/ANC thread it looks like UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.

One of the two flights will be a 752...looking at a Monday in June.

ANC to

SEA 752
SEA 739
SFO 738
SFO 738
DEN 738
IAH 753
ORD 739
ORD 738

Add in EWR and UA will have up to 9 flights a day from ANC to the lower 48.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:02 pm

If it works out for UA, I bet AS would be interested in the future.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 4):
When did CO fly the route, and with which aircraft?

While waiting for an EWR-SEA flight in July of 2002, the next gate over was boarding a 757-200 to ANC.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:04 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
Also to note, based on the DL SEA-LAS/ANC thread it looks like UA SEA-ANC will be upgraded to a 757 as well.

SEA-ANC is one 739 and one 757 for UA.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route.

It's probably going to be one of their sUA ETOPs 757s.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:04 pm

Wow ANC is loosing its stepchild persona as of lately. Its been a favorite go to airport as of lately for just about all of the fliers. Albeit be it seasonal.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):

Interesting how a sUA 757 will operate the route. I'm sure many will complain about how it's not on an ex-co 757

What? Oh crap, I'm out. A seven-hour overnight flight on a CO 752 is fine- I've done ANC-IAH many times on such equipment and been perfectly happy. On a UA 752? Ugh. While there would be better chances for an upgrade (due to the greater number of F seats), that upgrade is a lower value upgrade than ANC-IAH on a CO752. Though, admittedly, ANC-IAH the past couple of summers have been flown by 753's, so no lie-flats or AVOD there, either.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 29):
Princess and Holland American do one ways through Alaska that either end or begin in Seaward. Having worked for the cruise industry it is true a few originate from both Vancouver and Seattle, Seaward is a major port as well.

That's SEWARD, no "a".

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Yes, but those people are bussed to/from Anchorage (or take the fantastic train ride), where they fly out.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):
Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..

Bingo.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

The irony is that most mainline USA airlines are Delaware corporations.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 2):
to be fair no airline serves Delaware, DL used to at ILG but no longer does.

That's either the best or worst kept secret as trivia questions go. Radio stations love to use it. I remember hearing it in Florida, Hawaii and in Alaska. A correct answer got the winner a free dinner.

It went something like What is the only U.S. state which is not served by regularly schedule commercial air service.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):

Bingo.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):

Well sure, AVOD, lie flat BusinessFirst seats etc..

It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.

Why?

I've done ANC-SEA on AS 739A's

Why would sCO 739ER's be a problem?
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):
Though, admittedly, ANC-IAH the past couple of summers have been flown by 753's, so no lie-flats or AVOD there, either.

Plus the most cramped F-class seats in the air.

And several of the sCO 753's have those damned double-pronged earphone plugs
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 37):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28): A few dock in Seward, 80 miles south of Anchorage.

Yes, but those people are bussed to/from Anchorage (or take the fantastic train ride), where they fly out.

An Alaska Railroad vista-dome seat from Seward to Anchorage is a definite plus even though it parallels the highway most of the way.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 22):
Well, it may not be much, but as a loyal CO flyer in ANC, I'll take what I can get.
This would make travel to Europe SO MUCH EASIER. One stop!?!? Yes, please! Beats the pants off of ANC-SEA-IAH-LHR or ANC-DEN-EWR-CDG.

ANC-EWR-LHR on the early flight (UA18) is actually the only way from ANC to Europe on United without double redeyes and a long layover.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
Be glad it's not on a 739.

Non-issue. 739 can't make the trip with a reasonable payload. The 757 (from either side) is the only narrowbody that can reliably do EWR-ANC with enough pax to make money. EWR-ANC with a sCO 752 requires as much aircraft time, at roughly the same time of day, as a Europe turn, but most EU routes will undoubtedly generate higher yields than EWR-ANC.
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 12):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
It was during the brief period when UA wanted to be able to promote that they served all 50 states (whether it made economic sense or not). They added new service to one point in half a dozen states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire etc., along with ILG.

UA has long served markets in Vermont (BTV), Wyoming (Laramie, Cheyenne, Jackson, etc...), and probably ND as well (though not all from NYC).

Are you including UA Express and similar commuter services with UA flight numbers? I was referring to the period when they operated UA mainline service to all 50 states, meaning at least a 737 or larger.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 44):

Plus the sCO 752s are tied up on other domestic routes mainly to the other hubs but generally EWR-TPA/ORD/DEN/SFO/LAX. sUA 757s are now all over the place from EWR but primarily EWR-PBI/MIA/FLL/MCO/LAS/BOS and occasionally SAN/SEA/PDX/PHX. ANC makes sense for the sUA 757 -- unless they really were worried about loads and they could probably use a 319 or 738 on the route
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:52 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 28):
But ships don't actually dock in Anchorage

We have three cruise ports.

Anchorage
SilverSea Cruises docks at the port of Anchorage. Smaller, luxury ships. I couldve sworn last season I saw a Holland ship there as well. I walked up to the tower and bam, there was a cruise ship at the port. Wasnt expecting it.

Whittier
About an hour from Anchorage (depending on the time of the tunnel, cool drive). Princess, and the Alaska Marine Highway (Ferry) dock here.

Seward
About 2 1/2 hours from Anchorage driving. Holland America, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Regent Seven Seas, and Crystal Cruises dock here.

I guess you can say Homer, about 4 1/2 hours from Anchorage also is a port but its for the AMHS (Ferry) which attracts alot of tourists in the summer as well.

I probably missed a few of the smaller lines and which port but those are the ones I can think of offhand. I can tell you, I love getting my morning coffee in the terminal right now because starting in May its nothing but people with "Royal Caribbean Cruise, this way" signs and tourists everywhere. I know this brings money and flights, but its a pain waiting in line lol.
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:22 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
It's a tourist destination -- a seasonal one at that. What do you expect? Be glad it's not on a 739.

It is? Tell that to the 731,449 people that live here. Or the many more who work here; thousands of people fly into and out of Anchorage on their way to oilfield jobs every week- and many of them on Continental/United. It's certainly not a bustling metropolis, no doubt. But it's far more than a tourist destination.
Further, UA flies lots of planes with good product to LAS, which is a tourist destination just as much as ANC.
And, furthermore, the 739 offers a better inflight product than UA's 757s do, so I don't see your point there.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 41):
Why?

I've done ANC-SEA on AS 739A's

Why would sCO 739ER's be a problem?

Exactly. Except for the park-bench Koito seats.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 43):
An Alaska Railroad vista-dome seat from Seward to Anchorage is a definite plus even though it parallels the highway most of the way.

I hope to take that trip someday! So far, I've always just driven to Seward... it's such a beautiful drive, assuming no one kills you on the highway.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 44):
ANC-EWR-LHR on the early flight (UA18) is actually the only way from ANC to Europe on United without double redeyes and a long layover.

Welcome to my life; traveling to Europe from Anchorage is a real pain, unless you take Condor, which I won't, because I can't earn my UA miles! So I end up with ANC-SEA-IAH-EWR-ZRH-LCY. But then, I like flying...
 
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RE: UA Launches EWR-ANC

Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 40):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 45):
Quoting atct (Reply 47):
Anchorage
SilverSea Cruises docks at the port of Anchorage. Smaller, luxury ships. I couldve sworn last season I saw a Holland ship there as well. I walked up to the tower and bam, there was a cruise ship at the port. Wasnt expecting it

Holland has a small ship, called the Prisdaam(sp) that could have been her. She does the longer round the world sailings.
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