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727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:09 am

http://www.adn.com/2013/02/26/280358...ooth-landing-at-merrill-field.html

IIRC the runway measures 4000'x100'. FedEx donated the aircraft to UAA for training purposes.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:22 am

I missed it today, but I'm glad the ADN managed to grab someone's footage!
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:30 am

Made two low approaches before landing on third time around.

http://youtu.be/mxynk6cTjTg

http://youtu.be/nc8OuEwsOGM
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:22 am

I'm assuming it was bare bones. Still very very impressive! Wasn't there a UA 727 that landed at Meigs many years ago?
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:39 am

That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:18 am

Quoting WhiteWasp (Reply 3):
I'm assuming it was bare bones. Still very very impressive! Wasn't there a UA 727 that landed at Meigs many years ago?

Indeed; that was a -100 model, and it is now glue to the wall at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. I walked through it last summer; pretty neat exhibit!

This one that landed at Merrill today was a -200, though.
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:44 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!


Indeed. The -100 was capable of using some pretty short runways, one of the reasons it was developed.....truly awesome machines the B727-100 and 200.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:32 pm

Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

How far pass the threshold did it touch down?
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

How far pass the threshold did it touch down?

Fly enough, and one will experience a landing like that. I know I have. I was on a TWA 727 into Houston Hobby and we landed on 12R and was stopped and turning on taxiway K, about halfway down a 7602 ft runway, impressive.
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!

You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_nyRzEOMI
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:25 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

I don't know this - but I do recall reading in the book "Loud and Clear" that they demonstrated ground rolls in the 1000 ft range during development. The 727 had nose gear brakes - largely deactivated later because they were not needed. I believe they demonstrated 700ft-ish landing rolls during testing.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Does anyone know how much of the 4,000 ft runway was used up here/how much was left when the plane stopped?

Can't speak for this flight, but when I use to work for DL at PWM, the morning FedEx 727 flight from MEM use to regularly pull off the runway at the 4,000ft mark after landing.

That's exactly what the 727 was designed to do. Fly in and out of strips that were to big for the earlier jets such as 707s or DC-8s.
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:35 pm

After AC retired the last of their DC-9-32s in 2002 they donated one to the Canadian Aviation Museum in Ottawa. It landed on the 3,300 ft. runway at Rockliffe Airport (YRO) near the city center where the museum is located. Used about 2,000 ft. of runway.


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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
That is the most impressive airliner landing I've ever seen! 11 seconds from touchdown to basically stopped. Wow!

It was certainly very cool....but I was going to say this:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.

Definitely not cooler than the SP landing at Rand Airport. May have had a slightly longer field, but obviously a much bigger bird.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
You think that's impressive, take a look at this landing on a 15m wide runway and with a crosswind. This runway is 4,800ft though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_ny...zEOMI

I've seen that and it's indeed impressive but in a different way. The quickness of the decelleration with the 727 was what I meant.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:49 pm

I think the Globemaster that landed at Peter O Knight instead of MacDill beats them all...no precautionaries, no planning (well, at least not that they admitted).

And it was able to take off again with no issues.
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:21 pm

Anyone catch the tail number?
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Nice video, impressive landing!

A question a bit OT: Both the 727 and the South African 747 have the landing gear down while performing low bypasses/ flyovers. Why that if they never intended to land? Is it precautionary? Is it to brake the plane? I just wonder.

Thanks!
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:45 pm

Awesome video here,

http://youtu.be/dNYqIl7P9RQ

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
Anyone catch the tail number?

N492FE

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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 18):
Awesome video here,

Certainly is. Thanks a lot for that one.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:01 pm

While we're at it, here's a video from Germany, courtesy of some pretty bloody skilled Russian pilots: AN-22 landing in Speyer Years ago, I had the chance to go inside that aircraft - it is every bit as massive as it looks in the video.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting il75 (Reply 17):
A question a bit OT: Both the 727 and the South African 747 have the landing gear

I suspect you'd have configuration warnings going off - and better to configure for the situation you are in.

Also - if they were really doing test approaches, they want the aircraft configured the same way as the real one.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:21 am

Here's another impressive landing. Evergreen flew this 747-100 to McMinnville, OR and it now sits on top of their waterpark with waterslides. The runway is ~5420' long and 150' wide.

http://youtu.be/tbYi8QnEU7I
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 22):
Here's another impressive landing. Evergreen flew this 747-100 to McMinnville, OR and it now sits on top of their waterpark with waterslides. The runway is ~5420' long and 150' wide.

And they sure 'wasted' a lot of runway on this landing it looks like.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:56 am

Th FedEx 727 landed literally right on the numbers! After a small bounce, he was down and at taxi speed in what I estimate was about 2800 ft. The bird was so light that, prior to the first of two planned practice approaches the captain advised when asked by ATC that he would check his fuel after the first pass and then decide whether to do the planned second practice approach or just do the full stop landing. To the delight of the spectators, he did the second pass before coming around for the very exciting landing! While being towed to parking, the captain joked with ATC that this was not his typical airline landing, to which ATC replied that it looked pretty good to all of us! Local television stations' news report there were three fly-bys before landing. That is not true.

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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:08 am

Another interesting back story to this flight: N492FE is named "Two Bears." FedEx Express has a tradition of christening each of its jets with the name of an employee's child. The father of Two Bears (who is now an adult "child") is a 28-year Fedex aviation maintenance employee (Manager) here in Anchorage. So it seems especialy fitting that Two Bears is now retired in Anchorage!
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:36 am

The news said something about a second 727 going to a school in Fairbanks, anybody got the info?
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:38 am

It kills me to see the 727 story coming to an end! Without a doubt, one of Boeing's greatest design and plane ever built!

Honestly, in the 21st century, I think if Boeing built a 727-300, based on the same design, but with 21st century technology, it could be a huge bank roll profit for them. Can not see a reason why airline wouldn't snatch these up again.

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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:37 am

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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:37 pm

Back on topic, lol:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7):
Simply impressive to see how fast planes can stop when they really want to and max breaking is used.

Keep in mind, it was utterly empty.

Quoting william (Reply 8):
Fly enough, and one will experience a landing like that. I know I have.

Not really. As a passenger, you're ~never~ going to experience a landing like a completely empty plane with no fuel, even if you're the only passenger onboard an aircraft fitted out with cabin furnishings.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 10):
I believe they demonstrated 700ft-ish landing rolls during testing.

I'd have to see some hard data to believe that number. A 727 simply cannot operate in the same distances as a Cessna 410!

Quoting 4holer (Reply 14):
I've seen that and it's indeed impressive but in a different way. The quickness of the decelleration with the 727 was what I meant.

Indeed, it was impressive!

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 18):
N492FE

Aye, a beautiful ex-Braniff ultra red bird. She looked better as a Braniff jet!
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:43 pm

Another good video of the Merrill Field landing, with ATC communication:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RGK89pyNU
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 29):
I'd have to see some hard data to believe that number. A 727 simply cannot operate in the same distances as a Cessna 410!

I just finished reading the book "Loud and Clear" (Serling) which discussed demonstrated 1000 ft ground rolls. The 700ish comes from the web as a supposed quote from the book building the impossible plane (which I have not read).

Keep in mind these test were during development and they were probably pushing the envelope. Most operators later stipulated that you not use the 40 degree flap setting (or was it 50 degree - well it was the last step in flap deployment). This was after a series of crashes in the 727 about a year after EIS - generally attributed to getting into high sink rate situations by pilots transitioning from prop to jet. Those crashes were not purely the 727's fault - there were lots of issues with airport landing aids as well.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:00 pm

Hey I landed a Fokker 70 fully loaded on 27L at heathrow and got off at S4, that's about 3000 ft. So I'm sure the 727 being empty can get down and stopped in no time.

Nice video and love the meigs one too!
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:17 pm

AS used to fly the 737-200 in revenue service to Dutch Harbor, and that runway was only 3,900 feet, don't think they ever flew the 727-100 there but it could have been done.
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:40 pm

DC-8 takeoff after landing at the wrong (3,200') airfield at Da Nang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvK6enoQDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mId1WK6sYuk

Gotta love the Stewardess uniforms.

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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 34):
DC-8 takeoff after landing at the wrong (3,200') airfield at Da Nang

I think the runway was longer than 3,200 feet. That number is mentioned in some sources re that incident but other sources refer to something between 4,000 and 5,000 ft. and if you look at the Google maps image of the remnants of that airfield it appears at least 1,000 feet longer than 3,200 feet. Even so it was still short for a fully-loaded DC-8-63.
 
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RE: 727 Landing At Merrill Field, Anchorage (video)

Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 35):

I think the runway was longer than 3,200 feet. That number is mentioned in some sources re that incident but other sources refer to something between 4,000 and 5,000 ft. and if you look at the Google maps image of the remnants of that airfield it appears at least 1,000 feet longer than 3,200 feet. Even so it was still short for a fully-loaded DC-8-63.

Thanks; I was just going off of the commentary in the video. Pretty impressive takeoff nonetheless.
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