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FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:26 pm

Colorado College students perform 'Harlem Shake' during Frontier flight; FAA investigating

"The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating an incident during a flight from Colorado Springs to San Diego involving the Colorado College Ultimate Frisbee team."
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:39 pm

OMG I'm sick of this Harlem Shake meme. Honestly in my opinion, Gangnam style kills all other memes, because it was that damn awesome   

But seriously though if it caused a serious flight disruption, there should be an investigation, no matter how funny people say it is.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:24 pm

I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......10 odd passengers dancing in the aisle could cause problems in a small plane that no one can imagine until it actually happens.....moreover, there's always the possibility of an emergency happening at just that moment and all these "cool" dancers getting in the way....

If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool....I think this whole thing of flash mobs, including this Harlem shake thing, is being carried too far by some......it certainly has no place on a plane.....and they had the audacity to state that they planned it one day in advance.....

I know I'll get flamed by a lot of righteous, indignant folks on here, but I am just expressing my personal opinion on this....
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:58 pm

I didn't see any violations. What's the issue? Its an internet craze. They happen and then fade away...

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:59 pm

I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport. Who woulda thought?
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport.



Wonder if you can get a four year ride playing frisbee? A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?   
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:26 pm

I can't imagine any FAR's being violated here... I've seen the video and even a few executives @ Republic have seen it and liked it.... overzealous government maybe?
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:47 pm

I think this whole FAA review falls under the category of "way, way too much about nearly nothing". There is no significant safety issue here, at all, period. It's just ridiculous to suggest that there is anything here worthy of an investigation -- that's more hilarious than the stunt ever was. Frontier should be thrilled about this publicity!

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
Wonder if you can get a four year ride playing frisbee?

You can, indeed. I know a couple of people who are on scholarships for Ultimate, one at a major Pac-12 school.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:00 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?

Probably the most junior one in the office.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9):
Probably the most junior one in the office.



I was thinking more like someone in management!!  
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool..

I happen to agree with you entirely. There's an old saying that some people today do not understand:

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:26 pm

There was a rumor that Stanford's band was banned from an airline for crap like that. They thought it would be funny to move from one side of the airplane to the other in unison to cause it to roll. It never actually happened, but, apparently, the USC band thought it was a funny idea and tried it...
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:29 pm

I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

I will be interested to see if the FAA does anything about this. All that flailing around in a small plane doesn't seem like a good idea and probably could compromise safety if an emergency arose. I don't think the seat-belt sign being off is license to just have at it and do whatever you feel like.

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Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:00 am

FAA wasting their time instead of making the 787 problems get fixed faster
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:13 am

Obviously the F/A didn't see a problem with it. Its not like the flight deck could look over their shoulder and tell the back seat to stop.

I wonder if the airframe may have been the issue. It looks like an A319 from the video. I believe F9 also flew the E190 on the COS-SAN route.

What's next the FAA to ka-bash the famed WN toilet paper race from fore to aft down the aisle of the aircraft. Citing to many arms in the aisle.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.

The media report say the seat belt light was not illuminated.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting nzblue (Thread starter):
"The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating an incident during a flight from Colorado Springs to San Diego involving the Colorado College Ultimate Frisbee team."

And if the sequestration goes through, they will have other things to worry about...........
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:06 am

As someone who is a dispatcher in the 135 world, I can say first hand that the FAA is in a desperate fund-raising mode. I believe that's all this is about.
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:56 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
What's next the FAA to ka-bash the famed WN toilet paper race from fore to aft down the aisle of the aircraft. Citing to many arms in the aisle.

Or the thing where they let those penguins on the plane...  

It's stuff like this that make flying today enjoyable, granted it only happens .00000001% of the time. I just wish the Harlem Shake video that I have been in took place on a plane!
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:24 am

I'm surprised Spirit didn't think of this first and use it for advertising. Would make a rather funny TV commercial.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:32 am

Quoting flashmeister (Reply 8):
I think this whole FAA review falls under the category of "way, way too much about nearly nothing".
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?

Budget cuts anyone? Isn't the is agency that is screaming bloody murder that cutting budgets will have "major disruptive effects" on air travel.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:58 am

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):

A plane that size people dancing isn't going to do anything. It's not like all 100passengers ran down the aisle.

As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal. As for Harlem shake videos yes it got old really really fast.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:04 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 21):

The only FAR violation I could've possibly see would be not Following crewmember instructions, but that would require that the crew said to stop or not to dance in the aisle ...other than that mostly just plane stupidity or fun.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:13 am

In some of the news articles I've read they asked the crew's permission and got it. Supposedly they were even allowed to use the PA to coordinate it.

http://catalystnewspaper.com/2013/02...-students-harlem-shake-on-a-plane/

If the FAA does have an issue with it hopefully it would just be "Yeah, that was funny. Just don't do it again...". Unfortunately, it's the FAA and that they wouldn't do something reasonable like that. I can see it might make some passenger's nervous, but other than that I don't think it was a problem.
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 21):
As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal.

Even if not everyone on the plane was okay with it it's still not the FAA's business.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:32 am

My 2 cents...if the captain approved this, the FAA is wasting resources as usual.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
OMG I'm sick of this Harlem Shake meme. Honestly in my opinion, Gangnam style kills all other memes, because it was that damn awesome

But seriously though if it caused a serious flight disruption, there should be an investigation, no matter how funny people say it is.

Totally agree... Harlem Shake is not even funny after you see one... Gangnam was quite smart IMO.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:13 am

Quoting COS777 (Reply 23):
crew's permission and got it. Supposedly they were even allowed to use the PA to coordinate it.



That right there could be the smoking gun. The interphone (PA) IS considered a piece of EE (Pre-flighted during our EE checks) and of Crew use ONLY for obvious reasons. Same goes for the jump-seats...I've had passengers sitting there the one second I look the other way. That's a big no-no for non-Crew as well unless you're an ABP and have been briefed to sit there.

As a Crew member myself, there's obviously more to the story. The anecdotal comments here are classic!
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:24 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Unless the seatbelt sign was on, this is a non-issue.

Agreed

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
Even if not everyone on the plane was okay with it it's still not the FAA's business.

Anything that happens with a US flagged carrier on its aircraft is the FAA's business.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:00 am

There was just another thread about people on SK being allowed to do one, although I can't remember if anyone involved was a passenger. They didn't appear to be airborne at the time though. Aside from maybe them being airborne when this occurred, there has to be something else to make the FAA investigate this. Otherwise, one has to ask why it is okay in Scandinavia but not here!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I'm more fascinated by that playing frisbee is considered a sport. Who woulda thought?

It's actually called "ultimate" and it is a pro sport, actually. I actually tried out for the Boston Whitecaps of Major League Ultimate!

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:13 am

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 2):
I think passengers, whether they're a bunch of college students or an Olympic team, need to understand that such activities may be "cool" on the ground or anywhere else, but not on a plane......10 odd passengers dancing in the aisle could cause problems in a small plane that no one can imagine until it actually happens.....moreover, there's always the possibility of an emergency happening at just that moment and all these "cool" dancers getting in the way....

If nothing else, a plane is a closed, congested space and not all passengers may share your idea of cool....I think this whole thing of flash mobs, including this Harlem shake thing, is being carried too far by some......it certainly has no place on a plane.....and they had the audacity to state that they planned it one day in advance.....

I may not agree with you, I will support your right to have your opinion and to state it with out ridicule or being flamed.

That said, where were these same comments when a US Olympic team, enroute to LHR on a UA 757 danced to a song or two in the aisles, or when a Hawaiian Hula troop took to the aisles and performed a lovely dance much to the delight of their fellow passengers?

Is it possible, that it's the particular Harlem shuffle and even possibly the people that did it, that makes this one a dud when many go off without a hitch, and often receive loud approval and praise from their audience?

It is more likely IMO, that an emergency could happen when travellers are up and moving around in the aisles, or flight attendants are up performing their duties, as these things happen far more that flash mobs.

Quoting cubastar (Reply 11):
I happen to agree with you entirely. There's an old saying that some people today do not understand:

"One Person's Freedom Ends Where Someone Else's Begins".

Nice quote, it definitely does stand true, even more as the years are passing by. I do not see where that was the case here, lots of people would welcome some kind of inflight distraction during the level cruise time, at least something that will bring a smile to some otherwise bored faces.

I understand people wanting to be comfortably locked into their little bubble, you know headphones, book, blank distant stare forward, trying to avoid the strangers on a plane, but sometimes one needs to remember to feed the kid inside, and drop out of character for a few minutes to dance and laugh, works great with people you won't see again.

Quoting flymia (Reply 21):
A plane that size people dancing isn't going to do anything. It's not like all 100passengers ran down the aisle.

As long as everyone in the plane was ok with it I don't see the big deal. As for Harlem shake videos yes it got old really really fast.

I have been on one plane where we went over Mt Fuji, and half the passengers tried to all get over to the other side to see it, and the pilot asked everyone to get back to their seats, he said it was a balance issue, the majority were in coach, we were in J with no F cabin, on a OZ 763 HNL-SEL. I thought he was just saying that was the reason, just so everyone would just sit down.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:33 am

Before this gets completely off the tracks, can we agree that an investigation is merely a thorough look at what happened with the purpose of disclosing whether illegal activities were made?
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:26 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
A seriously slow day at the FAA offices in the Western region, wonder what type of inspector gets assigned this one?
Quoting indcwby (Reply 16):
And if the sequestration goes through, they will have other things to worry about...........

If government agencies were not wasting billions over the years and demanding more taxes, POTUS would not have had to come up with a sequester that he thought would never happen and later tonight have to sign the bill.
The head of the FAA has already stated the number towers to be closed, controllers to let go, delays in air and ground movements, not because of sequester but because funding for inspectors who investigate such major incidents like this must take precidence of those other issues which the public are more interested in, let's remember, someone has to protect the public from themselves, whether you like / want it or not.  

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:59 am

You probably had some people on the flight who see such activity as inappropriate and unsafe. Some will see what appears to be a coordinated act as a possible cover for a terror act and in the post-9/11 more people have little tolerance of any group activity on a flight. As a result, someone filed a complaint with the FAA and they have to do a preliminary investigation. Not much will likely happen, maybe a minor fine to Frontier and the participants given a letter. At least this wasn't something like another drunk pax harassing FA's or other pax which is far more serious to investigate.
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:08 pm

Nothing but an overreacting (what a surprise) branch of government with nothing better to focus on...Even though in reality they have their hands full. I thought it was cool that so many people took part in it!
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:47 pm

The good thing is that it took a whole 33 replies before someone brought up 9/11 as possible justification for virtually anything in today's US civil aviation.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:18 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 28):
Anything that happens with a US flagged carrier on its aircraft is the FAA's business.

Not really. If it doesn't involve the FARs, the FAA has no say. There are all sorts of objectionable things that people can do on aircraft that aren't against the FARs, and if someone tried to complain about them to the FAA then the FAA should just refuse to take up the case.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:11 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 32):
The head of the FAA has already stated the number towers to be closed, controllers to let go, delays in air and ground movements

I'm so glad the FAA is spending its money investigating the Harlem Shake instead of keeping towers open...

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 35):

The good thing is that it took a whole 33 replies before someone brought up 9/11 as possible justification for virtually anything in today's US civil aviation.

How much waste and security theater have we taken on? Time to reign in some of that pork.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:16 pm

I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 38):
I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.

Agreed. It doesn't appear that F9 did anything wrong here, so they should milk this for every ounce of publicity that they can.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
but sometimes one needs to remember to feed the kid inside, and drop out of character for a few minutes to dance and laugh, works great with people you won't see again.

Agreed and no one's denying the importance of doing that.....but just do it when you have your feet on solid ground, not in a plane 30,000 feet up in the air where there are a lot of reasons to ensure that you stay in your seat and not dance in the aisles.....

If they can't control their urge to be cool, maybe these college kids (and others like them) could consider doing their shakes or whatever, in the airport terminal where they would be much less of a nuisance to those who don't share their idea of "cool".....and they would have much more space to do their stuff.....good entertainment for bored passengers if a flight is delayed   
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting Elevated (Reply 27):
That right there could be the smoking gun. The interphone (PA) IS considered a piece of EE (Pre-flighted during our EE checks) and of Crew use ONLY for obvious reasons. Same goes for the jump-seats...I've had passengers sitting there the one second I look the other way. That's a big no-no for non-Crew as well unless you're an ABP and have been briefed to sit there.

In that case, I hope the FAA reinvestigate all previous uses of the PA to sing happy birthday, wish newlyweds well, or congratulate the sports team on board. Scandalous!  
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:18 pm

They have time for this but yet wont have enough employees to man control towers....JOKE!
 
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 14):
FAA wasting their time instead of making the 787 problems get fixed faster



How is it the FAA's job to fix Boeing's problems with the 787?   
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:23 pm

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 13):
I can't believe how lame and sheep-like college students are these days. Repeating endlessly the same prank that wasn't original or funny to begin with. Get a life, twits.

 . You may not like it, but I find it hard to believe you never did anything in college that was popular. It's just a dance all in good fun. I'd rather see kids doing this than some other stuff that goes around on campuses across the world...

I think the FAA is just wasting their time and money on this. If the Captain found no problem with it I don't see anything wrong with it. Unless in the 2013 FARs they added no dancing, I don't see a problem with this. They didn't endanger the safety of their fellow passengers, and it was just a joke. It's not like they were doing it with the pilots at altitude. Just close the case and move onto something that deserves real investigation.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 26):
Totally agree... Harlem Shake is not even funny after you see one... Gangnam was quite smart IMO.

I agree. Nothing is more brilliant than some fat Korean guy jumping around like he's riding a horse.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
I'm so glad the FAA is spending its money investigating the Harlem Shake instead of keeping towers open...

Just how many people do you imagine are actually investigating this?

My guess is 1, on his/her lunch break. And he/she is not going to be otherwise keeping any towers open him/herself.

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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:52 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 38):
I think F9 needs to capitalize on this by having the spokesperson animals doing the Harlem Shake in a commercial.

I think I saw Griz shake his tush a time or two across the years.
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 31):
Before this gets completely off the tracks, can we agree that an investigation is merely a thorough look at what happened with the purpose of disclosing whether illegal activities were made?

   I think people are taking the term "investigating" as something much more consuming of time and resources than what's actually being done by the FAA.

With that said, I'm always amazed at the uptight attitudes of the member of this forum. I'm just as tired of the Harlem Shake craze as the next guy, but this particular video cracked me up. Lighten up!
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RE: FAA Investigating F9 'Harlem Shake' Incident

Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:53 pm

Wonder what UA would have done, especially with them being videotaped?!