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Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:43 pm

Hello Turkish Aviation fans,
Spring is almost here and all airlines are getting ready for another busy summer;


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Really looking forward to this March since we were told;
-332 Prestige will finally be delivered this month to Turkish Government
-This is the month TK will order its NB order (and maybe 350/380 combo??)

Besides this;
-Pegasus is expected to issue its IPO soon. (only 30% or so)
-TK will be in the midst of a labor agreement. Does TK employees have the right to strike if decided?
-Maybe this month we will see the final version on TK crew uniforms
-Next week IST-JFK flights will go back to 3 x daily again.( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333)
-Only two months left for the new Istanbul airport tender
-I saw this on Hurriyet Daily News today; Melbourne expecting TK flights;
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mel...pageID=238&nID=42006&NewsCatID=345

As usual, please continue with your news, pictures, rumors and sense of humor. Keep all the political views and personal attacks to non-av threads.
Thank you,
TK787
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:27 pm

Turkish Airlines and Air Canada will be expanding their code-sharing relationship.

In addition to current 22 points in Canada, Air Canada will now provide TK with US connections also via YYZ.

Pending government approval they seek to add the below US points to their codeshare:

Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

-I saw this on Hurriyet Daily News today; Melbourne expecting TK flights;
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/mel...38&nID=42006&NewsCatID=345

I would love to see TK in my home town MEL but are they    because they are making my head    i just realised why my head is spinning had too much of this    and now I'm    and i should be doing this    Anyway one could only dream ?????
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:41 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Thank you,
TK787

Thank you for the new thread  
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Atlanta
Baltimore
Charlotte
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Las Vegas
Minneapolis
Nashville
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
San Diego
Tampa
Seattle
Boston
San Francisco
Miami
Orlando
Denver
Philadelphia

Nice list, although it is time that they expanded to secondary markets with their codeshares. BTW, why add BOS or SFO if they will be served nonstop very soon anyway?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:21 pm

Having multiple codeshares to cities already served is common, so I don't see the issue with doubling up even if BOS and SFO become stations for TK one day.
All it does is provide the consumer with added options, and an additional line of schedules to view in GDS.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:37 pm

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151469353762760&set=a.139834532759.108963.90430042759&type=1&theater

I can't seem to copy/paste the link, but it is on facebook.com/turkishairlines

TK gets into the food truck business in the US, serving Turkish coffee.
Now this is more like it.

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:38:35]

[Edited 2013-03-01 07:40:16]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:14 pm

Pegasus is starting to fly Kahramanmaras from April 1 onwards, 3 weekly. That is surprising for me. Flights are now bookable on their website. In addition, TLV is becoming double daily. I've realized they have gradually doubled their frequency to many points they fly to ( ORY, STN etc.)

I have a hunch that they will cause some trouble to TK in the long shot despite the difference in target audience or corporate strategy. What do you think?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:33 pm

Sure TK and PC but heads especially in the domestic arena (why they had to create Anadolujet) but I don't think they will be a position to cause much "trouble" in the big picture.

See luckily the market in Turkey keeps growing fast year over year, so the pie is increasing allowing everyone to sit the table and share the bounty.

If anything, I think its TK that has caused PC much trouble as TK has tied up traffic rights and blocking PC access in many markets.

Also one of the interesting things with LCCs are they often generate new traffic, and don't necessarily steal existing traffic away. With low enough offers, travelling becomes an option for many that never considered flying.

So I think PC and TK can coexisit without bumping into each other too seriously in a growing market.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:08 am

Is the O&D markets between Istanbul and Tel Aviv big or are they relying on transit passengers, much like Turkish Airlines?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:36 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Hello Turkish Aviation fans,
Spring is almost here and all airlines are getting ready for another busy summer;

Thanks for the new Spring thread  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Maybe this month we will see the final version on TK crew uniforms

Indeed a lot of people are waiting for that one .  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Could you guys also confirm that TK will end its sponsorships of FC Barcelona and Man United? Is this immediate or will they finish the all 3 years?
Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):
Is the O&D markets between Istanbul and Tel Aviv big or are they relying on transit passengers, much like Turkish Airlines?

Until recently the market was huge - Turkey was one of the top couple tourism markets from Israel.

Today its more transit and business traffic as Israeli tourist have opted to go to more friendly locations.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):

AFAIK at the end of the actual season
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:20 pm

Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

Thanks, well let's hope the relations improve so that we could see even more demand.

Does anyone know how many aircraft will be based at various coastal Turkish airports during the 2013 summer season?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
This is the month TK will order its NB order

According to Focus Magazine, TK previously held off from purchasing A320s at the last minute as they are seeking more local supplier content.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...lines-airbus-idUSBRE92105G20130302

Any further information on that front?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:33 am

Pegasus has already loaded a fifth flight from Sabiha to Belgrade into its system, it will be operated on Mondays. More and more competition for Turkish Airlines in the Balkans, bad for them but good for the travellers.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 15):
Any further information on that front?

Nothing from the Turkish media either, we are used to waiting for big orders. Just like the articles suggest, Turkish government wants more local manufacturing jobs attached to a big order, not just good pricing/ better delivery slots.
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1362363162.html
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:04 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 13):

Guys, something very unexpected and surprising happened: the companies bidding for istanbul's 3rd airport say that the schedule is impossible to hold. Due to airkule one manager said that normally they use 200 trucks. Even if they used 20.000 (!) trucks with 5 journeys a day each of them, they would need 4 years to fill the old mines at the land foreseen for the airport. Opening not before 2021. Well, building and airport is not comparable to LEGO...

if this true ... the whole design/contract process would be up on the air for a while!!!   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 13):

I am somewhat sceptical regarding such doomsday theories. If an airport can be built on an artificial island in 7 years (KIX, HKG) or even 5 (NGO), I am pretty sure some old mines - as big as they are - can be filled in 4-5 years. If necessary, a small port can be built by the Black Sea to where ships can deliver material to be used for the landfill. Plus, I bet there is some levelling to be done, not only holes to be filled but hills to be razed so it all comes down to engineering and project management.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:57 pm

The President of Kyrgyzstan says TK could operate a Istanbul-Bishkek-Tokyo service as part of a new Kyrgyz-Japan agreement.

http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/a...newsbriefs/2013/02/28/newsbrief-14

Previously I had heard they TK also explored service to China via Bishkek. Today TK routes its Ulan Bator Mongolia service via Bishkek.


At the same time Pegasus is looking to reignite its own Kyrgyzstan joint venture plans with Air Manas which it purchased a 49% stake in last year, to form a "Pegasus Asia" by leasing a 737NG to the venture that would offer services to Russia, China, Kazakhstan and Turkey.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/peg...ture-plans-despite-blacklist.html?

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:25 pm

Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK. My question is will 1 hour 20 minutes be enough for me to make it to my connecting flights in FRA? Appreciate your help on this.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 21):

I had one hour connections in Frankfurt before. It is not a lot of time but you can make it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:33 pm

AZ seems to shelve FCO ESB that was supposed to be reinstated on March 25 thrice weekly as the flight seems to removed from data base. FCO AYT seasonal service seems to remain though as planned. I think the recent shake up with AZ Board obliged them to revisit their immediate plans to expand.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:00 am

and another unexpected increase in TLV flights, starting 3 weekly in April 1, TK increase its daily flights to TLV to six; TK790
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:48 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 22):

Thanks my friend appreciate your reply.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:33 am

Quoting tkfan (Reply 24):

I am still wondering if the market is there or if they are just trying to fight Pegasus by increasing their own presence in TLV. With so many additional flights from IST to TLV let's hope Turkish Airlines keeps on sending their widebodies there.

Do you have the new schedule?

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 25):
Thanks my friend appreciate your reply.

No problem, I also wanted to add that some years ago when my connection was very short or if my inbound flight was delayed they would have someone wait for me at the gate and escort me right away to my next flight- they would use those funny little cars they have there.

The past week or two I noticed that Turkish Airlines had been sending their A330-300s to Spain (Madrid and Barcelona). It is quite unexpected with the current state of the Spanish economy.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:17 pm

Pegasus adds new domestic destinations: Amasya Merzifon, Mus, Kahramanmaras, Denizli, Nevsehir.

Also european routes Antalya-Pristina and from Sabiha Gökcen to Belgrade, Sarajevo and Skopje added.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 27):
Also european routes Antalya-Pristina and from Sabiha Gökcen to Belgrade, Sarajevo and Skopje added.

Yes, these flights have been operating for about a month now. Though I suppose that Antalya to Pristina will operate from the summer season.

Pegasus will operate a total of 51 flights from AYT to Belgrade from May to October while Sky will operate five weekly flights from AYT to Belgrade and one to Nis (southern Serbia).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:52 pm

What is MNGjet?
Skyliners have a new registration; TC-EJA, a CRJ200 for MNG jet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:19 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):

What is MNGjet?
Skyliners have a new registration; TC-EJA, a CRJ200 for MNG jet.

never heard about them before; according to their website www.mngjet.com :
"MNG Jet is specialized in business jet operations and maintenance. As of Jan 2013, it operates 1 Challenger 601, 3 Challenger 604, 1 Challenger 300, 1 Hawker 800XP and a Global 5000 VIP aircraft."
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:37 pm

I see drawings of a Rize airport on Facebook,
Is that for real or wishful thinking?
(search for Rize Havaalani on Facebook) and more here:
http://www.kavalcioglu.t83.net/#/haberler/4547869680
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:23 pm

TC-JSG, A321 joins TK today, 7 more 321s to join this year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Next week IST-JFK flights will go back to 3 x daily again.( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333)

I guess this does not happen till the end of the month, beginning of April.
Can someone PM me the Comfort load for TK12 on March12, thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 21):
Hey guys I need some help. I am thinking of a last minute trip for Schalke Vs Galatasaray, I found a decent price ticket to DUS via FRA from JFK

Have you thought of getting the train from Frankfurt airport to the Schalke stadium in Gelsenkirchen? It takes about 2:20, with just two changes. From Düsseldorf Airport to the stadium by train is about 1:05, so it is probably quicker to get the train, rather than plane and train...

Take a look at www.bahn.de/en for train times. You can enter Veltins Arena as your final destination.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:00 am

Quoting tolmachevo (Reply 34):

Hey man thanks for the good advice, however I am spending couple nights in DUS before the game meeting with other GS fans fom Europe and Turkey  If I was going the day of the game your way would be excellent. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:50 am

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 35):

Have a great time and good luck at the game!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:56 am

i am still hoping that TK will get permission to add more Indian destinations, come on BLR!! Its getting way too expensive for me to fly to India from LAX now  .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:00 pm

I saw in at airporthaber , interview with Mr. Topcu that he says they leased seven 777 coming in april . Anybody knows where are they coming from ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:32 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 38):
seven 777 coming in april . Anybody knows where are they coming from ?

There was a thread about it a couple of months ago, it was discussed to death, however nobody was able to find the sources. Amongst possible were the 77Ls of Air India - which are coincidentally 7, and Air India wants to get rid of them.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:23 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 38):

Wow, cool, havent seen that before;
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...topcu-2003te-pilotlar-issizdi.html
From the above article;
"Filodaki 210 uçağa ek olarak 7 geniş gövdeli uçak kiraladıklarını kaydeden Topçu, bu uçakların Mayıs ayından itibaren filodaki yerlerini alacaklarını kaydetti."
Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:59 pm

WOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQVS0k-VIwg
I have to admit, I haven't seen a more beautiful airline ad. Way to go ETIHAD!
I hope TK takes a note.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:42 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 40):
Let me start a new thread so we can find more about it

As I wrote in that thread, these are almost certainly 9W aircraft, most likely all seven of them. Jet simply doesn't need these frames. That will surely be a nice boost to the TK widebody fleet and cater for some capacity upgauges from A330/A343 to B77W network wide with the freed up A330/A343 capacity tp be used for expansion.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:02 pm

http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.

-TK, Atlasjet, Pegasus, Onur; no domestic expansion at IST for the next 5 years?
-TK to receive 40( 7 leased) WBs and 30 Narrow bodies next 5 years, where do they go?

This is going to be messy.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
http://web.shgm.gov.tr/doc5/ahls.pdf (in Turkish)
Maybe someone can do a better job of translating but this means IST is at FULL CAPACITY.
Turkish Civil A.A. is telling domestic carriers not to expect any more slots at IST (especially domestic) and make plans accordingly; keeping an eye on the developments on the future Istanbul airport and make use of other airports.

Obviously they want to make way for TK's planned int'l expansion. Since domestic is bringing in less money and wasting slots with smaller aircraft they are pushing those to SAW. SAW will also get messy soon obviously. And in a few years PC will be receiving more A/C  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:48 pm

According to ch-aviation.ch;
Turkish Airlines (TK, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines (MH, Kuala Lumpur International (KUL)) complementing its own cargo fleet that currently consists of three A310-300(F)s and three A330-200(F)s. Turkish Cargo also has two additional A330-200 freighters on order that will be delivered later this year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:20 pm

Some various bits of news -

o Air Astana and THY have signed cooperation agreement. Besides codeshares on routes to Almaty and Astana effective May the carriers will being to offer special prorate agreements for connections service to North America and Europe via Istanbul. Air Astana itself voted Best Airline Central Asia and India by Skytrax has been blocked by European authorities to grow its route network.

o Turkish has apparently become the largest airline in Saudi Arabia outside GCC member nations. In 2012 is carried 750,000 passengers on its 6-city network in the Kingdom.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 26):
I am still wondering if the market is there

TK is a very popular airline for Israeli travelers to Europe, Far-East and even US. Good fares, good network.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
This is going to be messy.

Well the government does allocate slots, so they do have the ability give some preference.

As the document states it sounds like Turkey wants to ensure that foreign parties can fully utilize their bilateral rights for service to Ataturk and not find that lack of slots blocks such rights. For example LH last year complained it was unable to operate its full desired schedule at IST due to lack of slot allocation.

So as the document states, by 2014 unless an airline is launching an all new domestic market from Ataturk, they will not allow growth of slots on existing domestic routes.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 45):
has wet-leased A330-200(F) 9M-MUC (c/n 1164) from Malaysia Airlines

I thought this was announced a few months ago. Maybe we forgot to post it here.
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:34 pm

I'm thinking about flying TK LGW-IST-LGW in a few months (and it's over £50 cheaper than EZY on LTN-SAW-LTN). Both sectors are scheduled to be by the 321, and I realise, of course, that it may change. What does TK offer aboard its 321s? It's a short flight so I'm not bothered by IFE, but do they have it? Does TK offer inclusive meals on that route? Anything else that would be useful to know? Thanks very much!
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 47):

IzfE depends on the paricular configuration; older planes don't while newer deliveries do. and yes, complementary meal is offered on European flights in Y.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2013

Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:03 pm

Aviation Daily Published an airline profile chart of TK.

Here are some numbers.

Top Airports (outside IST) in revenue.
1. ESB
2. LHR
3. CDG
4. IKA
5. DXB
6. FRA
7. ADB
8. AMS
9. BRU
10. DUS

Top Longhaul markets for revenue were: JFK, BKK, LAX, NRT, PVG


Average daily mainline departures - 839


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