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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:33 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LII

"Tribute to Air Florida in Central America"

Welcome to the 52th consecutive edition in this series !
Perhaps few people on this board remembered Air Florida touching our regional airports during the early 80s.
I found references about Air Florida flying from Miami to Belize City, Guatemala City, San Salvador, Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula and San Jose. Equipments: 727, 737 and DC-10, sometimes.





Edited on February 28th, 2013.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:44 am

According to a story in today's La Nación, IB has named "Costa Rica" the second (EC–LUK) of its five A333s entering service this year.. earlier this month her predecessor (EC–LUB) was named "Tikal" after the magnificent archaeological site in northern Guatemala.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Perhaps few people on this board remember Air Florida touching our regional airports

I sure do.. also Eastern and the original PanAm.     
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:52 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
"Tribute to Air Florida in Central America"

Late 80's wasn't really an attractive time for a U.S. airlines to open routes to PTY (and MGA). Pretty sure that was why Air Florida never made to PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:56 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 1):
I sure do.. also Eastern and the original PanAm.     

I do too....flew them a few times....including one time BZE-MIA-LGW
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:09 pm

Recovered from the 51th edition: the possible service of LH in Panama makes sense in the mid-term considering the vast network offered by CM and Star Alliance at Tocumen International Airport.
CM currently code-shares with IB [OneWorld] and KL [SkyTeam], in order to feed their inter-contentinental flights. Things may dramatically change in the forthcoming year trying to open a new niche for the German airline.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Late 80's wasn't really an attractive time for a U.S. airlines to open routes to PTY (and MGA).


According to some sources on the web, Air Florida operated in Central America from 1981 till 1984.
I don't think any US airline flew to Nicaragua in such filter period.
AeroNica didn't fly to Miami as LaNica did it prior to 1979.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:51 pm

From the OAG thread....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

DL moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good? or did they find a free aircraft sooner?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
DL moved up the start date?


I did a quick research at amadeus.net and DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly is due to start on July 01st.
Thus, DL has moved forward their intended plans in such route. The first flight was previously dated on December 19th.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:27 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
I did a quick research at amadeus.net and DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly is due to start on July 01st.
Thus, DL has moved forward their intended plans in such route. The first flight was previously dated on December 19th.

DL is going to be aggressive this time round.....with better sales teams in place, we are going to see a big push in C America from DL. They want to try to nail down some market before WN enters.

We already see them moving up LAX SJO start date, adding more service to GUA.

within the next 18 months I predict we will see DL from LAX to PTY/BZE/SAL/SAP and additional frequencies on most of the major routes from ATL...even RTB might see some new ATL frequencies. The only wild card is TGU...it has struggled badly, but they might stick it out there in order to keep a full complement of flights to the region.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:53 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
within the next 18 months I predict we will see DL from LAX to PTY/BZE/SAL/SAP and additional frequencies on most of the major routes from ATL.

DL LAX-PTY when CM is flying PTY-LAX thrice daily?
Extra ATL-PTY frequencies may be possible and profitable, but DL LAX-PTY is a disaster about to happen.
If DL wants to be creative, DL should try SLC-PTY instead of LAX-PTY. SLC being a DL hub may consolidate enough passengers from the western U.S. to support a 3-4 per week service to PTY.
If SLC too far west, MSP may be interesting as an alternate for DL Western U.S.-Panama.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
DL LAX-PTY when CM is flying PTY-LAX thrice daily?

So? That means the market may now be big enough to support a non Star carrier.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
SLC being a DL hub may consolidate enough passengers from the western U.S. to support a 3-4 per week service to PTY.

LAX is almost a hub now, have you seen all the additions recently. And LAX has much more O&D to PTY than SLC. If LAX can't work, there is no way in hell SLC will work.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
MSP may be interesting as an alternate for DL Western U.S.-Panama.

Not going to happen. It is too far north and PTY is much less leisure than say SJO.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 9):
So? That means the market may now be big enough to support a non Star carrier.

Good luck to DL in the LAX-PTY route.
There are no LAX-PTY arrivals early morning and no PTY-LAX red-eyes departures.. So the same DL aircraft flying ATL-PTY could take-off to LAX a couple of hours later; depart early evening LAX-PTY and continue to ATL early next morning.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:46 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
There are no LAX-PTY arrivals early morning and no PTY-LAX red-eyes departures.. So the same DL aircraft flying ATL-PTY could take-off to LAX a couple of hours later; depart early evening LAX-PTY and continue to ATL early next morning.

Ahhh ..now you are beginning to think like an airline person. Its about asset allocation and utilisation.

Instead of the aircraft RONing at PTY....it gets a fresh crew and turns to LAX...essentially passing another DL aircraft (LAX-PTY) in the air. That south bound aircraft is on the ground in PTY in time for the morning ATL flight.

As long as they can break even on the route itself it is an overall win for the company.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:24 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
DL is going to be aggressive this time round.....with better sales teams in place, we are going to see a big push in C America from DL.


I'm still a little bit skeptical concerning to a huge expansion of Delta Air Lines in Central America.
The Atlanta - Central America sector has suffered few changes during the last five years, in terms of weekly frequencies as well as new equipment. On the other hand, their competitors have been more aggressive in our region: UA [IAH - Central America] and AA [MIA - Central America].
I don't want to talk again about the catastrophic [JFK - Latin America] experiment in 2008, where DL JFK-BOG is the sole survivor. Needless to say that all their Central American routes were rapidly retired.
We'll follow carefully the progress on DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly from July 01st. Everything seems to be all right now !

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
Its about asset allocation and utilisation

Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:42 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.

Last year I saw it on CUR.
7P also flew the Panamanian national football team to Dominica for a match there.
Don't really know what those 7P people have on their minds.. The airline could be more creative with its use of its fleet, 7P still have some room to grow.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Speaking of asset optimization, Air Panamá (7P) has found a niche doing vip charters on the side.. here is HP–1764PST upon arrival last week in CCS.

Don't they have sort of relationship with CM now too?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
Don't they have sort of relationship with CM now too?

Yes flying domestic passengers between PTY and BOC.
Not sure if 7P would operate flights on behalf of CM when CM hasn't gotten equipment available due to maintenance or other reasons.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
We'll follow carefully the progress on DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly from July 01st. Everything seems to be all right now !

Lots of us will and we might have more than just LAX SJO to follow. I would be really surprised if DL did not put in SAL-LAX for a Dec start.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
The Atlanta - Central America sector has suffered few changes during the last five years, in terms of weekly frequencies as well as new equipment.

Well they have moved around aircraft in the region 75s, 73s, 319s Md88s. All the CR9 seem to be gone permanently. GUA has seen frequency upgrades as recently as the last OAG update. BZE keeps growing and growing for them. RTB seems to be growing slowly as well. LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them. So it is not stagnant. The only weak place seems to be TGU, but then again UA is hardly minting it there as well.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:02 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
I would be really surprised if DL did not put in SAL-LAX for a Dec start.


Agreed, the market is indeed there. The SAL-LAX sector is operated by TA up to 21x weekly sometimes; it is 18x weekly for the time being. AA LAX-SAL and the former CO also flew that segment before.
I'm not worried about the predominance of TA in such route. Let's take a look about the commented situation on TA GUA-MEX which is no longer in service.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Well they have moved around aircraft in the region 75s, 73s, 319s Md88s. All the CR9 seem to be gone permanently. GUA has seen frequency upgrades as recently as the last OAG update. BZE keeps growing and growing for them. RTB seems to be growing slowly as well. LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them. So it is not stagnant. The only weak place seems to be TGU, but then again UA is hardly minting it there as well.


If we make an analysis about the progress of DL in Central America in the past ten years, it cannot be fairly compared with UA:

United Airlines in Central America. 2013

UA EWR-BZE: 2x weekly
UA IAH-BZE: 16x weekly
UA EWR-GUA: 1x weekly
UA IAH-GUA: 19x weekly
UA IAH-RTB: 8x weekly
UA EWR-SAP: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAP: 9x weekly
UA IAH-TGU: 7x weekly
UA EWR-SAL: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAL: 22x weekly
UA IAH-MGA: 14x weekly
UA ORD-LIR: 3x weekly
UA EWR-LIR: 7x weekly
UA IAH-LIR: 17x weekly
UA EWR-SJO: 14x weekly
UA IAH-SJO: 28x weekly
UA EWR-PTY: 9x weekly
UA IAH-PTY: 14x weekly

My point is clearly identified by itself.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:29 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
LIR is supposedly the stellar performer in the region for them

I'm happy for Delta.. Liberia remained largely stagnant for over a quarter century until it took off with their arrival in 2002.. gotta thank Alan Kelso (Four Seasons) and Hoover Gordon–Patillo (Hacienda Pinilla) for persuading Leo Mullin (former DL CEO) with the help of US$3M in revenue guarantees.. although CO and AA soon followed, it was DL along with the Four Seasons (which gave Guanacaste the credibility to attract other luxury developers) that drove the construction boom which soon followed.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:42 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
United Airlines in Central America. 2013

UA EWR-BZE: 2x weekly
UA IAH-BZE: 16x weekly
UA EWR-GUA: 1x weekly
UA IAH-GUA: 19x weekly
UA IAH-RTB: 8x weekly
UA EWR-SAP: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAP: 9x weekly
UA IAH-TGU: 7x weekly
UA EWR-SAL: 1x weekly
UA IAH-SAL: 22x weekly
UA IAH-MGA: 14x weekly
UA ORD-LIR: 3x weekly
UA EWR-LIR: 7x weekly
UA IAH-LIR: 17x weekly
UA EWR-SJO: 14x weekly
UA IAH-SJO: 28x weekly
UA EWR-PTY: 9x weekly
UA IAH-PTY: 14x weekly

I missed UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly which is available since December 2012.
Four stations out of the USA towards Central America completing 199 weekly frequencies !

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:32 pm

As per OAG thread .....DL ATL-BZE NOV 1.0>1.2..the also upgraded GUA. DL is finally up to more than 1Xdaily on ATL-BZE.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:19 pm

Also

TA LAX-SAL APR 1.6>3 MAY 1.6>3 JUN 1.5>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.6>3

IMHO they are trying to tell AS and DL to not even consider this market.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
IMHO they are trying to tell AS and DL to not even consider this market.

IMHO, LAX-GUA/SAL traffic could well support another airline.
If DL already has a presence @ GUA and SAL and it's adding more operations @ LAX, that's the most likely candidate for those routes from U.S: side.
If AS or NK wants into the California - GUA/SAL market.. maybe it's time for them to study ONT (or SNA) -GUA/SAL and OAK (or SJC )-SAL before WN makes a move into those markets.
SAL may even be able to support some frequency of SAN-SAL, SMF-SAL and LAS-SAL.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
the also upgraded GUA.

DL's GUA upgrade is seasonal, then it's back to the terrible schedule we have.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 23):
OAK (or SJC )-SAL


TA served the SAL-OAK sector in 2007 and it didn't last too much.
If I remember correctly, the service called SAL-SFO was suspended in favor to SAL-OAK.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:07 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
TA served the SAL-OAK sector in 2007 and it didn't last too much

The route was 3x weekly (sooo TACA) from the start until it was quietly dropped.. coincidentally there was a Salvadoran national sitting on the Oakland Board of Port Commissioners at the time.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 4):
Things may dramatically change in the forthcoming year trying to open a new niche for the German airline.

What German airline do you mean? Lufthansa, Condor ?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
If I remember correctly, the service called SAL-SFO was suspended in favor to SAL-OAK.

This is not correct. TACA never suspended SFO in favor of OAK. IRC, there was a reduction at SFO from 10 or so flights a week to 7 during the period the OAK service operated.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting troest (Reply 27):
What German airline do you mean? Lufthansa, Condor ?


We were speaking in the last Cent Am thread about the possibility of any LH FRA-PTY.
Having IB from OneWorld and KL from SkyTeam, the possibility of any Star Alliance carrier from Europe makes sense at PTY, being that airport widely dominated by CM.




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Quoting sfjeff (Reply 28):
TACA never suspended SFO in favor of OAK


Thanks for the clarification. I didn't remember that.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't remember that.

TA has served SFO for many many years. I once flew it on their 733 where we stopped in MZT for fuel both ways. I Was always surprised that they managed to keep the fact they that a fuels stop was required so quiet.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
TA has served SFO for many many years. I once flew it on their 733 where we stopped in MZT for fuel both ways.


If I recall correctly, TA SAL-SFO was served even during the 80s when the former TA had the 762 equipment. Hence, some stations such as IAD, LAX, SFO and JFK were flown as non-stop services with 762. I don't remember how were them routed; perhaps TA SAL-IAD-JFK or so.
Disclaimer: this information was based on my older thoughts without reliable source to prove them.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
I Was always surprised that they managed to keep the fact they that a fuels stop was required so quiet.


These routes originated in Central America were flown in the past with 733:
RG PTY-MAO with 733: 1365nm
UC SJO-ARI with 733: 1882nm.

San Francisco lies 2294nm from San Salvador following purely a straight line.
When the "73G Next generation" equipment came into force, CM started some routes that weren't served in the past: PTY-GRU, PTY-SCL, PTY-EZE and so on.



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:22 am

If I remember correctly Aviateca served GUA-ORD with 733

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 31):

These routes originated in Central America were flown in the past with 733:

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:28 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 32):
If I remember correctly Aviateca served GUA-ORD with 733

Those flights had a tech stop in MSY  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:18 pm

Thanks for the info

Quoting B747_A340 (Reply 33):
Those flights had a tech stop in MSY

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:02 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 31):
If I recall correctly, TA SAL-SFO was served even during the 80s when the former TA had the 762 equipment. Hence, some stations such as IAD, LAX, SFO and JFK were flown as non-stop services with 762. I don't remember how were them routed; perhaps TA SAL-IAD-JFK or so.

I took the SFO flight many times.....an never ever had a 762. Was always a 733 packed to the gills with a tech stop in MZT. I once asked a senior official in TA "why MZT". He told me "because it was easier to spend the pesos they made in MEX in mexico than try to convert it to US $ to repatriate" ...remember those were the days that the peso value was swinging wildly.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:50 pm

Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Is it Avianca Colombia (Fokker 50 replacement), La Costeña, Islena Airlines or Aviateca Guatemala (all ATR42-300 replacement)?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:52 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 36):
Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Panama Aeroperlas?
  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 35):
I took the SFO flight many times.....an never ever had a 762

It's a good point. The 762 seems too much for SAL-SFO as non-stop and 25 years backward.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:32 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
Quoting viasa (Reply 36):
Which airline of the AviancaTaca Group will get the first ATR72-600?

Panama Aeroperlas?

Afaik they had suspendet its operation about a year ago: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/8518 So I don't think that they get ATR72-600s...
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 39):
Afaik they had suspendet its operation about a year ago: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/8518 So I don't think that they get ATR72-600s...

I think it was sarcasm.

If i remember correctly the first ATR72-600 will be going to Central America so it basically going to Guatemala or Honduras.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 40):
If i remember correctly the first ATR72-600 will be going to Central America so it basically going to Guatemala or Honduras.

So the most probable routes would be GUA-FRS or SAP-RTB?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:23 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
So the most probable routes would be GUA-FRS or SAP-RTB?

This flights como to mind.

GUA-FRS
GUA-TGU
GUA-SAP

SAP-RTB
SAP-SJO

TGU-SJO
TGU-SAL

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:51 am

CM has inaugurated its newest Copa Club (membership airport lounge program jointly operated with UA) in SJO.. six thousand square feet.. seating for over 160 passengers.. located in the main concourse next to the airport’s food court.. Costa Rica becomes the fourth country with a vip lounge for the Panamanian airline’s passengers (the other three being Panamá, Guatemala, and the Dominican Republic).

Costa Rican government officials and local business executives attended the opening ceremony, along with airline boss Pedro Heilbron..

“Las operaciones de Copa Airlines se han incrementado consistentemente en Costa Rica, convirtiéndonos en la aerolínea preferida para sus conexiones con Latinoamérica (...) Esta sala VIP consolida nuestra presencia en Costa Rica y nos permite contribuir, si cabe aún más, con el desarrollo económico y turístico del país”. — (Copa Airlines operations have increased consistently in Costa Rica, and we are now the preferred airline for connections throughout Latin America (...) This VIP lounge enhances Copa’s presence in Costa Rica and contributes to the country’s economic and tourism development).

The new Copa Club is designated exclusively for passengers with club membership, those traveling in Clase Ejecutiva or first class on a Star Alliance member airline, or hold Star Alliance Gold status.

—Source: Copa Airlines San José CTO
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 43):
CM has inaugurated its newest Copa Club

I predict CM Clubs in MGA and HAV soon.
If they could find some room @ MIA for it, that'll be another good airport to open one.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:10 am

So who's turf is SJO now, señor Kriete?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:57 pm

AV got rid of its TA surname from Revista Summa in Spanish.
During Avianca Taca Holding S.A. (Inc,) stock holders meeting in Panama (of all places) the board of the holding of the airline group decided to drop the Taca to Avianca-Taca and thus have all of its 150 aircraft on fleet to have Avianca livery and bear its name.
The news piece from Revista Summa also mentions Mr Efranovich efforts to get TP in his airline group.

I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:01 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.

LOL but isn't the holding domiciled in Panama (neutral ground) since its inception?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:14 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
I still can't believe that having so many other places to meet, AV-TA choose PTY for their stock holders assembly. Perhaps - like many other companies - AV has noticed how convenient is PTY Hub of the Américas.

No, it's because the holding company has it's domicile in Panama due to tax reasons. Legally, at least in Colombia, you can't celebrate the board meetings or the stockholder assembly in a place different than the company's domicile. That's why Avianca's board of directors always met in Barranquilla before the merger with TA.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
During Avianca Taca Holding S.A. (Inc,) stock holders meeting in Panama (of all places) the board of the holding of the airline group decided to drop the Taca to Avianca-Taca and thus have all of its 150 aircraft on fleet to have Avianca livery and bear its name.

Change is expected on the week of may 20th.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 52

Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 48):
That's why Avianca's board of directors always met in Barranquilla before the merger with TA.

That'd have been a source of lots of Costeño pride that after so many years of AV incorporation and being BOG its major base/hub the meetings were still held in BAQ.
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