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Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:55 am

According to a report in WSJ due to the troubles with its Dreamliner Boeing has started to lay off hundreds of workers in their North Charleston plant. At the moment only contracted ones are affected, not direct employees.

Is that a hint that B is slowing down its 787 production?

Link to story in german at orf.at:

http://orf.at/#/stories/2169261/

tried to post link to WSJ article (subscriber only) but that doesnt work.
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting macc (Thread starter):
tried to post link to WSJ article (subscriber only) but that doesnt work.

Googling the following headline works: Boeing Pares Dreamliner Workforce
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Googling the following headline works: Boeing Pares Dreamliner Workforce

Could not copy the link in the post, for whatever reason.
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:33 pm

Quoting macc (Thread starter):
At the moment only contracted ones are affected,

This is a curious statement. Usually production line mechanics are not contracted. Maybe because NC is non union, the make-up is different.

Contract workers typically are for construction workers and other non-airplane related worker needed for building up a facility etc.

Perhaps they are nearing completion of their facility and don't need the construction worker any more.

The other type of contract workers are the white collar technical staff on new airplane programs. Not sure if there are many of those in NC.

I have relatives working on the 787 and non 787 lines in Everett. Overtime have been cut drastically, but so far no rumors of layoff. Perhaps in Everett, they can always move people to the 777 line.

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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:53 pm

I don't know about Boeing, but where I work contract workers have a limited time before they have to be hired or released. Can't touch them again for at least 6 months. I believe this is related to the defination of Full Time labor and has financial impact to the company.

My point is that I don't believe Boeing is attempting to staff a long-term labor force with contract workers.
 
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:59 pm

A couple of points from the WSJ article. It sounds like this was an expected move by Boeing.

This was from "a person familiar with the plan", who also said it was begun late last year, before the battery issue came up...

Quote:
The cuts largely target the plant's outside contractors, although Boeing also would reduce staff positions by not replacing some workers who leave or are promoted, the person said.

And from a Boeing spokesman...

Quote:
Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel confirmed the reductions in contract labor, but declined to discuss specific numbers...Mr. Birtel said Boeing is "not laying off any direct Boeing Commercial Airplane employees at this time," adding that reduction in the use of contractors in South Carolina "has been our plan."
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:44 pm

Well, then it seems thats a rather bad worded article from WSJ. thanks for the input. Makes much more sense now.
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 3):
This is a curious statement. Usually production line mechanics are not contracted. Maybe because NC is non union, the make-up is different.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 3):
The other type of contract workers are the white collar technical staff on new airplane programs. Not sure if there are many of those in NC.

You know that Charleston is in South Carolina, right?
 
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:34 pm

I don't have much knowledge on this, but have a feeling it is related to the Vought workforce and not with the 787 final assembly and production work force.

Engineering work is mostly complete for the 787, so the engineering workforce usually gets cut and reallocated to other production models after an airplane enters into service. To help maintain the core workforce employed by Boeing, they fill in with 10-20% contract labor workers. These people get paid more, but don't have job security. When the project ends, they are usually released. In final assembly, once the process is up and running and is more automated, fewer workers are needed.

Quoting macc (Thread starter):
Is that a hint that B is slowing down its 787 production?

I doubt it. It probably is an indication that 787 design work is coming to an end and the program is moving into a sustaining & production engineering mode which requires fewer engineers. It happens with every airplane model.

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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
You know that Charleston is in South Carolina, right?

North/South - I get confused sometimes.   

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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 6):
Well, then it seems thats a rather bad worded article from WSJ. thanks for the input. Makes much more sense now.

Actually, it is the German link to the article that is poorly worded. They also believe Charleston is in North Carolina, so that alone makes me wonder if they bothered to read the WSJ article.  

Having read the WSJarticle, it looks like Jon Ostrower was pretty clear that these staff reductions were planned and were not directly influenced by the grounding of the 787.
 
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
You know that Charleston is in South Carolina, right?

North/South - I get confused sometimes.   

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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:11 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 8):
Engineering work is mostly complete for the 787, so the engineering workforce usually gets cut and reallocated to other production models after an airplane enters into service.

You sure about that? I'd imagine the EE's are a might bit busy at the moment...   Not to mention that Boeing is probably actively engineering further 787 derivatives, like the -10...
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:02 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
You know that Charleston is in South Carolina, right?

Charleston is also in West Virginia. Pretty well known city, certainly as much as Charleston, South Carolina  
 
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Actually, it is the German link to the article that is poorly worded. They also believe Charleston is in North Carolina, so that alone makes me wonder if they bothered to read the WSJ article.

You are correct - the author either hasn't even read it or he/she doesn't have a clue what's written in it.

At least they fixed the City Name to North Charleston in South Carolina, which seems to be correct.
 
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RE: Boeing Cuts 787 Workforce

Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:47 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 13):
Charleston is also in West Virginia. Pretty well known city, certainly as much as Charleston, South Carolina

Had no idea there was a Charleston in West Virginia, then again, I'm more familia with East Virginia.   


This whole worker layoff thing may have been planned and may mean absolutely nothing. But in a world where image is everything I have to say the timing truly sucks.
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