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UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:24 pm

I just saw a UA 744 fly thru downtown San Jose this morning headed for one of the 30s at SJC. Anyone have any idea what it is?
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:28 pm

SFO has had very heavy fog this morning, with a ground stop in effect. The 744 could just be a diversion while the weather clears.
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:30 pm

Yeah...I was thinking it might be from the fog too. I guess I should look out for more rare birds for these parts coming in this morning.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:31 pm

Current SFO weather:

KSFO 011656Z 00000KT 1/4SM R28R/0500V0800FT FG BKN001 09/09 A3040 RMK AO2 SLP295 T00940089

Looks like I'll have a long night at work cleaning this crap up!
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:50 pm

Glad I am off today....Its beautiful on the coast today. I think I will make a large picture of Margaritas and take a nap on the sun deck!
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:20 pm

Yep I just landed at SJC and there is a United 747, 2 smaller United planes, and an American M80 parked on the ramp just north of terminal A. Doesn't look like SJC has a gate to handle the 747, would all the passengers have to reom onboard?
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:21 pm

It is United 838 from HKG. They held for 45 minutes waiting for SFO before diverting to SJC.

UA typically does not allow any passengers off when they divert to SJC or OAK, so everyone will be waiting until they get to SFO. That's a very frustrating wait for passengers after a 12 hour flight from HKG.

It looks like UA flights from PHL and GDL also diverted.

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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:30 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
It is United 838 from HKG.

UA 862 is from HK, 838 is NRT.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
UA typically does not allow any passengers off when they divert to SJC or OAK, so everyone will be waiting until they get to SFO.

Since it is an International flight, it is not UA's call. Clearance to disembark is given by CBP.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting flySFO (Reply 5):

The AA MD80 would be a scheduled SJC flight. SFO very rarely see's Mad-Dogs

Quoting legacyins (Reply 7):
Since it is an International flight, it is not UA's call. Clearance to disembark is given by CBP.

And considering it's March 1st and no over-time, could be a long day.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
That's a very frustrating wait for passengers after a 12 hour flight from HKG.

Not a whole lot can be done about that, but they are safely on the ground. UA will do everything in their power to expedite these passengers to SFO.
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:51 pm

AA 441 from MIA, a 767-300 reg. N370AA also diverted into SJC. All 4 diverts (plus a CRJ from SLC, I believe) departed for SFO close to the same time, after noon. The UA 747 was N182UA, with UA 445 from PHL aircraft N842UA and UA 1582 from GDL N78506.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:52 am

Why the diversions when SFO has CAT IIIB landing systems? Unless SFO has turned them off for repairs....
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:24 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 10):

They were down to ~ 30 arrivals per hour from ~60. I guess the long hauls started to back up and probably ran low on fuel.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:53 am

There was an Air Tran 737 that landed around 1030 and parked south of gate 28
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:01 am

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 4):
Glad I am off today....Its beautiful on the coast today. I think I will make a large picture of Margaritas and take a nap on the sun deck!

Indeed it was spectacular today. Once the fog cleared out midday it was a perfect day in the high 60s ... with great visibility. There wasn't even any fog on the coast along the PCH from Monterey to the Marin Highlands. Quite a change from 8am, when you couldn't even see across the street in parts of San Mateo. I also enjoyed my day off moving about the Bay Area  
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting flySFO (Reply 12):
There was an Air Tran 737 that landed around 1030 and parked south of gate 28

It was a military charter flight and not a diversion.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:12 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 10):
Why the diversions when SFO has CAT IIIB landing systems? Unless SFO has turned them off for repairs....

First was fuel as said above. With the huge amount of arrivals in those hours, the rate of 30 doesn't cut it. Add into that the equation of some crew not being legal to fly it (example, new to aircraft, etc or aircraft MEL preventing it). Then you have some that just are not certified for CatIII, like SkyWest. Add that all up and there are a lot of diversions.

There were over 30 SkyWest diversions alone today with most of them in SMF.
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:11 am

Here are some pics I took out there that morning:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9550249@N03/sets/72157632907883379/

eastbay - was nice to have met and chatted with you!
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:48 pm

Thanks Mike! I enjoyed it as well.

Still going through my pics- I'll send ya a link when I get the chance

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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:16 pm

Does anyone recall how long the UA 747 stayed in SJC before making it to SFO?
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 18):

Does anyone recall how long the UA 747 stayed in SJC before making it to SFO?

Not sure what time it arrived that morning but it left around noon.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:59 pm

Came in around 9:30AM. I happened to be listening to NORCAL as SJC was under ground stop for a short time as well due to fog when 862 was going to divert, then it looked as if they were going to try to make SFO but then came back a short time that they were inbound to SJC.
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:31 pm

Could SJC handle an A380 diversion? I know LH 454 & LH 455 use an A380 on the SFO FRA route during certain times of the year.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:11 am

I was on that flight. When we were on the ground in SJC, the FAs discovered that all but the 5L and R PAs and interphones were inop. So they were waiting for maintenance to come defer it. But before they could come on, they had to get Customs to clear the plane first. I think we finally arrived at the gate round about 1230.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting sjc30l (Reply 21):
Could SJC handle an A380 diversion? I know LH 454 & LH 455 use an A380 on the SFO FRA route during certain times of the year.

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.

I believe the A380 operators use LAX as there alternate , for multiple reasons, when operating to SFO and vice versa.
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 23):

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.
Quoting as739x (Reply 23):

No. SJC is very narrowly set up and has a lot of restrictions on wide-body. There is a lot of restrictions when 747's have to divert there, but UA chooses SJC since there is company staffing.

Ten years ago I flew into SJC on AS during a very windy weather pattern. There were numerous UA 767s and 777s on the ground at SJC, on taxiways, along with an AC A320 (after AC has discontinued SJC). They all took off around 11pm for the 30 mile flight to SFO.

I thought wide-bodies usually diverted into OAK or SMF, rather than SJC, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

From what I understand, AA uses SMF and FAT as alternates for SJC and SFO. Is that still true.
 
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:05 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 24):
I thought wide-bodies usually diverted into OAK or SMF, rather than SJC, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Not necessarily. But it puts taxiway restrictions into play that are Notam'd when large WB operate. There are already restrictions on taxiway's Z and Y during 777 ops. Could you imagine an A380!!
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RE: UA 744 At SJC This Morning (3/1)

Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 25):

Not necessarily. But it puts taxiway restrictions into play that are Notam'd when large WB operate. There are already restrictions on taxiway's Z and Y during 777 ops. Could you imagine an A380!!

But what a sight it would be!!! A boy can only dream.
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