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The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:02 pm

Korean Air had said they were to bring the A380 to ATL from ICN, what has come of this equipment to serving ATL? ATL has added a jetway between E1 and E3 to support the flight instead of having it park on Concourse F.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:10 pm

KE will start A380 service to ATL in August, but no word on the schedule (KE has a daily flight that currently arrives mid-morning and leaves at Noon and three times a week evening service.).

Super jumbo jet coming to Atlanta in August



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Hartsfield-Jackson general manager Louis Miller has said the A380 would “enhance Atlanta’s reputation as a world-class city and gateway to the United States.” The airport is spending about $30 million on improvements to prepare for the A380, including gate modifications to serve the double-decker jet on Concourse E and widening of taxiways and runways.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:31 pm

Thanks for the info! I just hope they keep the B744 coming for a while.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2):

are they even using the 744 at this point? I know they had said they were going to but last time I checked (yesterday) they were still using the 777s but you probably know better than me.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
are they even using the 744 at this point? I know they had said they were going to but last time I checked (yesterday) they were still using the 777s but you probably know better than me.

I have still seen the 744's in ATL but more often it's been 772/773's.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:16 am

Since Feb., only 772 and 773 are used for ATL-ICN. KE plans to use 380 from August 3/w, and increase 1 daily from late October.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:52 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 4):
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 5):

Thanks!

Also, once the 380 goes daily, will the route still be 10x weekly or will it lose the extra 3w flight?
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:55 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 6):
once the 380 goes daily, will the route still be 10x weekly or will it lose the extra 3w flight?

That's an interesting question. Last year, when KE loaded 380 on and after January 2013 (which later deferred), KE initially zero'ed out extra nighttime flights. Currently the night flights are still there.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:50 am

I still can't believe KE will send the A380 there

I understand KE and DL are Slyteam members, but there should be at least some O&D traffic.

Do they really expect to fill an A380 solely on connecting traffic?
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:56 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
I still can't believe KE will send the A380 there

I understand KE and DL are Slyteam members, but there should be at least some O&D traffic.

Do they really expect to fill an A380 solely on connecting traffic?

ICN-ATL has a lot of O&D traffic. I believe that industry experts here have referred to it as the largest Southern U.S. - Asia market.

Lots of auto industry ties as well as a large Korean population in Gwinnett County.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:52 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
Do they really expect to fill an A380 solely on connecting traffic?

You have to remember that KE's A380 are only configured for 407 passengers, which is significantly less than what other A380 operators have theirs configured (Other operators have theirs configured for 500+ passengers.). The upgrade in a/c types is not a significant increase in seating compared to the 744s and 773s that they have used on the route.

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
I understand KE and DL are Slyteam members, but there should be at least some O&D traffic.

DL does not offer service to ICN from ATL (They offer service from DTW and NRT [NRT service will be dropped at the end of May.].) as they dropped their flight from ATL several years back and depend on KE's flight.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:15 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
Do they really expect to fill an A380 solely on connecting traffic?



I would say that the majority will be connecting just like the Delta flights out of Atlanta
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 9):
ICN-ATL has a lot of O&D traffic. I believe that industry experts here have referred to it as the largest Southern U.S. - Asia market.

Lots of auto industry ties as well as a large Korean population in Gwinnett County

Looking at the Korean Grocery Chain H Mart, there are five stores in Metro Atlanta. That is the same number of stores in the state of California.

http://www.hmart.com/company_new/shop_main.asp
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 11):
I would say that the majority will be connecting just like the Delta flights out of Atlanta

While I can't comment on the KE flight, are you kidding? Atlanta has HUGE O&D. Coca-Cola, UPS, Home Depot, and CNN are just 4 of the major companies (besides DL of course) I can think off the top of my head that have their HQ in ATL. Not to mention a metro population of 5.3 million people and it pulls from Macon, Columbus, Athens, Chattanooga, Montgomery, Auburn, and Birmingham. This area includes Georgia Tech, UGA, and Auburn University (where I am currently). Some of those do have flights to ATL (CHA,MGM,CSG,BHM), but the extra hassle of connecting vs. a very easy drive does pull some O&D.

Edit: Forgot about Lockheed's large presence in Marietta.

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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:53 pm

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 13):

The majority are connections. DL carries around 36-39% O&D out of ATL. ATL has roughly 27 million domestic O&D passengers plus another 3 million international.

As for KE, ATL-ICN is huge local market and it's ATL's single largest international O&D destination, but it's not the local Korean community powering it. ATL has roughly 48,000 Koreans, which is the largest in the south, yet much smaller than DC, Seattle, or Chicago. Yet, ATL-ICN is larger than SEA-ICN, WAS-ICN, or even ORD-ICN.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:30 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
The majority are connections. DL carries around 36-39% O&D out of ATL.

Which is over 1/3 of the traffic at the worlds busiest airport, which is like I said HUGE. bobnwa's post IMHO was an attempt to make a trolling comment trying to minimize ATL and DL. Which for some reason is a theme here on a.net. Off topic, I know and I'm done.

I will be looking forward to seeing the A380 at ATL, probably the first chance to see one up close and in person. I have had the good fortune of having long afternoon layovers in ATL which allowed me to head to E and watch the KE 744s (never caught a T7, but DL has those) get buttoned up and depart. A real treat as I do mostly regional travelling and rarely get a chance to see the big birds.

Regarding the KE 77W, are they still going to be in ATL? Also, are they the current afternoon flight? I still haven't seen one of those in person either!

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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:52 pm

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 15):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
The majority are connections. DL carries around 36-39% O&D out of ATL.

Which is over 1/3 of the traffic at the worlds busiest airport, which is like I said HUGE. bobnwa's post IMHO was an attempt to make a trolling comment trying to minimize ATL and DL. Which for some reason is a theme here on the a.net.

ATL served 95.5 million passengers in 2012. Thirty six percent of that is 34.38 million O & D passengers/year which is 94,192 O & D passengers/day. Not too shabby at all. That is a moderate sized city every day.

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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
I understand KE and DL are Slyteam members, but there should be at least some O&D traffic.

The recent Brookings Institute study of U.S. metro area O&D traffic to/from ex-boarder destinations show that Seoul was the largest international destination to/from Atlanta with 516 daily pax in 2011. This study also compared 2011 numbers with 2003 numbers, and from 2003 to 2011, Atlanta-Seoul to/from total traffic increased by a whopping 526%.

Hmmmmm? As per Seatguru, KE A380 shows a total of 407 seats, with 301 standard class seats, 94 Prestige class seats, and 12 First class seats. KE will get on average 258 daily O&D pax into the available 407 A380 seats seats each way, and I believe that this is more than adequate to sustain a daily A380 between ATL-ICN. And I can imagine that a good number of pax will buy up the Prestige seats as well.

All the best to ATL, ICN, KE and the A380 on this route. It appears to be set to do very well here.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
The majority are connections. DL carries around 36-39% O&D out of ATL. ATL has roughly 27 million domestic O&D passengers plus another 3 million international.

I often wonder how long DL can keep up this high rate of connects at ATL? Or any airport for that matter where O&D isn't significant to some degree? At some point, should jet fuel spike upward in price too high or too quickly, usually carriers cut flights to adjust for this, and the easiest flights to cut are mostly those with the lowest O&D. But then..... DL does have its own refinery, eh?

 
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting atlengineer (Reply 16):
Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 15):

ATL has around just over 30 million total O&D.

Remember, DL isn't the only carrier at ATL.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 6):
Also, once the 380 goes daily, will the route still be 10x weekly or will it lose the extra 3w flight?
Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 15):
Also, are they the current afternoon flight? I still haven't seen one of those in person either!

This is pure speculation, as I know very little about KE, but I think that after commencing A380 operations, they might cancel the nighttime flight and then (after looking at the load factors on the route) may re-commence the nighttime service. They could do the nighttime service with an A332 (a downgrade for some people because it doesn't have the lie-flat seats in F) if they didn't want a big increase in capacity, or they could resume it with a 772.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:28 am

Could an A330-200 have a meaningful payload ATL-ICN? 6215 NM.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 20):

Its range fully loaded is 7215 NM, so taking the 6215 from ICN-ATL, adding 200 NM to get to an alternate airport gives 6415. That leaves 800 NM to spare, which seems to be more than enough fuel (assuming the a/c is fully loaded) for a 45 minute reserve and a buffer. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert on fuel consumption/aircraft range.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:06 am

I definitely am not on expert, and I'd never claim to be one!
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 15):
Also, are they the current afternoon flight? I still haven't seen one of those in person either!

They've recently adjusted the schedule and the flight comes in around 9:30AM and leaves out at Noon. The old schedule I would see the flight getting ready to take off at least once a week on my way home from work and every now and then I would catch it flying over where I was at as the flight was on approach to ATL.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Gwinett county has the largest asian population in the SE.
 
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:01 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 24):
Gwinett county has the largest asian population in the SE.

That depends if you include Virginia as part of the Southeast. Technically Fairfax County, Va has the largest Asian community in the Southeast, but again Asian residency isnt what is driving ATL-ICN. I dont want to take away from the Atlanta area, because its statistically the 10th most diverse major metro area in the US, but the number of Asians living in the Atlanta area isnt the cause for KE bringing the 380 to ATL.

As of the 2010 census, almost 280,000 Asians call Atlanta home and Koreans immigrants view Atlanta as the city de'jour away from the more traditional Korean gateway cities like LA, NYC, Washington DC, and the Bay Area. Its a similar phenomenon to the Indians in Dallas wherein cities that were not traditional recipients of said immigrant group all of the sudden become one of the top five gateways for that immigrant base.

That said, the ATL-Asia market is pretty one sided. 40% of ATL-Asia is ATL-ICN. Yet, the 48,000 Koreans living in the Atlanta area are not going to drive all of that O&D. Its coming from somewhere else.
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RE: The Latest With KE And The A380 To ATL

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 9):
ICN-ATL has a lot of O&D traffic. I believe that industry experts here have referred to it as the largest Southern U.S. - Asia market.

Lots of auto industry ties as well as a large Korean population in Gwinnett County.
Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 13):
While I can't comment on the KE flight, are you kidding? Atlanta has HUGE O&D.

But it does seem strange to bring the A380 in as surely going daily on existing equipment would make more sense, especiaaly in appealing to J class pax.

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