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Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:49 am

Which still existing airlines (i.e. not Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Varig...) were the last ones to retire the 747-100, -200 and -300s from scheduled passenger service (i.e. not cargo and not as some backup)?

I remember Lufthansa flying -200s until something like 2001/2002, Air France had some -300s up until 2005 I think, Qantas also until 2006?

What about others like British Airways? United? MEA? Cathay? Thai (quite late as well I think with their -300s!)? KLM? Air India (again another late operator of the -300 I believe)? South African? Egyptair? Iberia? Alitalia? SAS? JAL? Air China? Air New Zealand?

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:35 am

Well all of the three classics can still be flown in Iran. Iran Air operates the -100B along the -200BM, and Mahan still has two -300M live, although difficult to catch.

Outisde Iran, you can still fly the TransAero -300 and -300SR from BKK to some central Russian cities, however last time I checked these are coming off scheduled services within March 2013.

I last flew a -200 and -300 with TransAero in Feburary 2011, also to and from BKK.

Now, I didn't directly answer your question, but I hope this still adds something to the discussion.

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:25 pm

Iran Air is the last scheduled carrier for 747-100, -SP and -200, Mahan Air one of the last two for the 747-300. All in Iran as you can see, and with an obvious reason.

Last scheduled carrier for the -100 outside Iran was Saudi Arabian who retired them around 2010. Last scheduled carrier outside Iran for the -200 was Transaero, until 2011 or even 2012. Outside Iran the last scheduled classic carrier for the -300 is PIA.

All without guarantee, there´s still Air Baltic trying a start-up with a 742 since 10 years or so 
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
Air India (again another late operator of the -300 I believe)?

I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:47 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):
I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....

Only roughly. AI retired the last -200s in 2005, the two 743s at the beginning of 2009.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:57 pm

BA retired the 100s in 99' and the 200s soldiered on until the aftermath of 9/11 and stood down in 2002.
The 200s were in very good condition with the youngest being only 15 years old when retired.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:22 pm

Quoting na (Reply 4):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 3):I think AI retired all their 200s and 300s roughly around 2006.....not sure of the exact year.....
Only roughly. AI retired the last -200s in 2005, the two 743s at the beginning of 2009.

Ah thanks......yes, the 200s were quite old by 2005, the last one having been received in 1980.....but the two 300s were received in 1989 I think, so they were just 20 years old when they were retired.....
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
Qantas also until 2006?

I flew VH-EBY, a -300, as late as November 19th, 2007.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:45 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 6):
the two 300s were received in 1989

The -300s seemed to have a short life. Not enough improvement to sustain operations once the -200s aged out.

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Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:47 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
The -300s seemed to have a short life. Not enough improvement to sustain operations once the -200s aged out.

But AI had only 2 of the 747-300s.....as long as the 200s were around, the combined fleet of 200s and 300s was reasonably large, but once the 200s were gone, I guess it didn't make sense to just operate two 300's....and they were both combis.....
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:14 pm

Strictly speaking PAX models here...

JAL retired their last -100 in 2006, -200 in 2007 and -300 in 2009.

Korean retired their last -200 in 1998, -300 in 2005.
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Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:27 pm

Orient Thai used 747 classics (lastly a 100B and 300) on daily scheduled flights between BKK and HKG til around mid 2011. They still have Classics but now mainly charter/hadj, MD-80s, 733s and 767s are now seen on their BKK-HKG route.
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Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:26 pm

TAAG was stilly flying the 743 until 2010.


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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:32 pm

Orient Thai were flying daily into HKG with 743's HS-UTV and UTW during my visit there last month just after Chinese New Year Day.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:38 pm

NW ended passenger 747-200 service in September 2007
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:12 pm

PIA phased out their last 747-200 a Combi in 2011.

Saudia last 747-300 in 2012.

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Outside Iran the last scheduled classic carrier for the -300 is PIA.

Transaero still have two active.
 
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:03 pm

Air New Zealand sold their classic 200's to Virgin Atlantic last scheduled flight around 1998-1999
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:51 pm

JL had their 743's til '09...they did the HNL runs all the time.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting mozart (Thread starter):
What about others like British Airways?


BA 741 G-AWNP was retired by BA on 31 October 1999 after arriving at LHR on a flight from YUL. After storage at ROS it was sold to Kabo Air and registered 5N-OOO. Kabo primarily used it for Hadj flights. It was reported in service at ALG on 24 April 2004. This is the last reported sighting of a former BA 741 operating a passenger flight.

G-AWNP was one of five aircraft that arrived at LHR on the last day of the airline's 741 operations, 31 October 1999. The last of the five to arrive was G-AWNO (from YYZ) . It was preceded by G-AWNM (from ORD), then G-AWNP. Later that morning G-BBPU (from JFK) arrived just before G-AWNO.

The last BA flight operated by a 742 was flown by G-BDXO. It arrived at LHR from BOM on 8 October 2001. As many as ten BA 742s were retired between 29 September and 8 October 2001 in response to the 9/11 atrocity (although I believe they were all scheduled for retirement in the short term). In addtion to 'XO they were G-BDXB (2 October), 'XC (30 September), 'XE (29 September), 'XG (1 October), 'XH (1 October), 'XJ (6 October), 'XK (1 October), 'XL (4 October) and 'XN (1 October).

Several of BA's 742s were sold to European Air Charter and used for passenger flights. A couple went to Air Atlanta Icelandic but I think that they were used as freighters. Most were permanently retired before the end of 2005.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:52 pm

I was on a JAL flight NRT-MNL, about five years ago, which used a "Classic"......
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:25 pm

I think Hellenic Imperial Airways in Greece still operates former LH B747-200Bs
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:30 pm

Quoting chieft (Reply 20):
I think Hellenic Imperial Airways in Greece still operates former LH B747-200Bs

They have some 747s but are not using them.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 21):
They have some 747s but are not using them.

I was not sure if they still fly to New York. But obviously they don't.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:04 pm

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Quoting chieft (Reply 22):
I was not sure if they still fly to New York. But obviously they don't.

It's been, I think, two years since they flew the route. And they still have not gotten replacement equipment from Airbus, like they said they were going to do.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 21):
They have some 747s but are not using them.

Too bad. I think they'll be flying in Iran for some time given the sanctions and the relatively low cycle numbers on the airframes, provided they can get or manufacture parts.

I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:35 pm

AR operated its -200s until roughly 8 years ago, perhaps less.

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:06 am

Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:23 am

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 24):

They are indeed 747-200's but with CF6-80 (same as 747-400) engines so it's strange that the engine cowling looks different.
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting b2319 (Reply 7):
I flew VH-EBY, a -300, as late as November 19th, 2007.

I flew a QF 747-300 from SYD to MEL in December the same year. I forget the exact date and the registration though.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting afterburner (Reply 28):
flew a QF 747-300 from SYD to MEL in December the same year. I forget the exact date and the registration thou

The last QF 743 was VH EBY QF 025 MEL-AKL-LAX Dec 29 2008, after which it then proceeded to storage, cheers.
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 24):
I don't think most people know but both VC-25s for the President are 747 model 200Bs. If you look closely, the engine cowlings look a bit dated compared to other models. Most people incorrectly believe the president is in 747-400 model but that's actually not the case. They are late model builds though I don't know what kind of cycles and hours they have. The 747 400 were actually available at the time but I think for some reason the USAF preferred the older model. They generally do not like "cutting edge" technology for non-combat frames.

Hi, the 744 was not "available" when the initial order was placed. The two VC-25A's were delivered Aug and Dec of 1990 after being HEAVILY modified (which takes quite a long time for USAF spec). The 744 was still in "initial build stage" when the contracts were approved, and did not first fly until 1988.

http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=100

"Boeing launched the 747-400 in October 1985 and the first development aircraft first flew on April 29 1988. US certification (with PW-4000s) was awarded in January 1989."

One of my friends is an Engine guy on them and wrote this to me: "Our jets have the CF6-80C2 made by GE. I believe they go on the -400 series. No FADEC just PMC’s like the F108!"

There would have been even more delays in replacing the well-aged 707's by then.

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:41 pm

I'll fly CGK-JED on Saudia in a couple of weeks. When I booked this flight, it was still scheduled as 747-300, so I was very excited about this. When the summer schedule came out last month, my flight was changed to 773. Needless to say, I was not happy.

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting babaero (Reply 26):
Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 31):
Have Saudia or PIA still got any of there 743 aircraft still flying

Answered

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
Saudia last 747-300 in 2012.



as for PIA they have five 743 one or two of which are currently inactive.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:39 pm

Surinam Airways used to fly a B747-300 before to switch to the A340

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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 19):

I was on a JAL flight NRT-MNL, about five years ago, which used a "Classic"......

Last JAL 747 classic flight was in August 2009.
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:08 am

Northwest Airlines last revenue flight for a 747-151 was September 25, 2000. The aircraft was N601US and was only flown by Northwest Airlines. It was the 27th 747 built. The nose with the cockpit is now displayed in the Smithsonian Institute.   
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:30 am

I know PIA still flies the 747- 300
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:53 am

Which were the last of the SR's to fly for a pax line? DId they every fly anywhere other than Japan?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:26 am

Purely anecdotal, but Northwest, Qantas, Air India, JAL, air India, and KLM, were all late users of their 747-200s and 300s.
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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:59 am

Quoting cornutt (Reply 37):
Which were the last of the SR's to fly for a pax line? DId they every fly anywhere other than Japan?

JAL's 2 747-100SRs built with a stretched upper deck (the only two of that model built) later operated briefly for Orient Thai Airlines.


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RE: Which Airlines Last To Retire Pax 747 Classic?

Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:59 am

I flew KLM B747 200 "Indus" back in 1997. Seems like they scrapped that one back in late 2003 or 2004.