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BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:36 am

LAX and HKG will be first long haul destinations for the A380!

More information is here: http://www.britishairways.com/en/inf...cial&utm_campaign=UKQ1MarchA380OFS
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:40 am

I was expecting HKG, but that's great news about LAX!

Not to get technical, but aren't the 380s going to Worlwide or are Mixed Fleet getting them as well? I ask because, unless something has changed recently, I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:47 am

Looks like a very nice product....I did think that JNB would be one of them though!
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:50 am

Interesting, BA will get their first A380 in July but will not fly it to LAX until October 15. It looks like they will take plenty of time for crew training.

[Edited 2013-03-05 03:17:36]
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:57 am

Will they train their crew on flights to Madrid or..?
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:00 am

That's not confirmed yet.
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:00 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?

Wasn't that a MF hat on one of the crew in the video?
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:27 am

Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...



[Edited 2013-03-05 03:28:57]

Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.


[Edited 2013-03-05 03:31:09]
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:33 am

British Airways will be the 6th A380 operator at LAX

It's a matter of time before Emirates upgrades LAX to A380 operation

LAX quite the A380 hot-spot
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:41 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 8):
LAX quite the A380 hot-spot

What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF
- 2x MH
- 5x EK
- 1x TG next summer
- 1x QR in 2014
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:47 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF

Only two QF. QF 1/2 [SYD] & QF 9/10 [MEL]

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:48 am

I've followed the link, but I'm not sure how to interpret it. Are we just looking at the specific dates in the left hand column ?

To start with just LAX and HGK doesn't seem quite right to me. Both are routes long enough to result in very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return is just about 24 hours, resulting in the aircraft being about 2 hours short of being able to go straight back to LAX, if however combined with an East coast route where the plane is away for 15 hours or so, it can do nearly double the work in the same time. Likewise HGK has a 9 hour layover at the far end.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:55 am

I think the split deck is good, 3 mini cabins avoiding the class C class which has proved unpopular in some A380s
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:59 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...

Biz class looks very cramped!
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:04 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):
Both are routes long enough to result in very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return is just about 24 hours, resulting in the aircraft being about 2 hours short of being able to go straight back to LAX, if however combined with an East coast route where the plane is away for 15 hours or so, it can do nearly double the work in the same time. Likewise HGK has a 9 hour layover at the far end.

Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird.

And yes, the utilization is low, but this has been the case for all new A380 operators, where utilization has been low in the first few months.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:24 pm

Quoting MAN2SIN2BKK (Reply 13):
Biz class looks very cramped!

It will be less cramped than the 777, where they still get 8-across. EK puts 8-across on the upper-deck, so upper-desk on BA in J should be very nice.   

The disgram also seem to show a gap between the footrest and the seat in front, which will hopefully allow access to the aisle without the current 'straddle' over someone else's legs.
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:26 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Off topic but interesting that they're splitting their business class between decks...



[Edited 2013-03-05 03:28:57]

Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

Somehow my addition turned into miniature script above, but does anyone else think it's possible that BA could have a pax elevator planned to link the two business class cabins? On the main deck of the Biz cabin, to the starboard side of the central aft galley, there looks to be an elevator which lines up with that of the upper deck in the forward starboard section of the galley area. It would be pretty cool to have a small hotel-like lift.

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

I'm not seeing that? Is the A380 able to take a pax elevator?

The World Traveler + seats on this video look quite different! Otherwise BAs standard Long Haul product.

Will there be a bar or similar innovations that A380 operators have adopted?

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 16):

Looks like lavatories to me. I really don't see the point of having an elevator between the two Business Class cabins. It would be very heavy and it is not like there is any need for most passengers to move between the two. If for some reason they have to they can take the stairs.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 14):
Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird

Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:38 pm

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.

Please re-read what he said:

Quote:
Expect the aircraft coming from LAX continuing to HKG, so the time table isn't that weird

i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:38 pm

From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue. The galleys also look very small. On another note, it is quite disappointing that BA haven't used this opportunity to reinvented their product. It is typical British conservatism...scared to push the envelope. I doubt passenger love the current product as BA say they do. If their passengers had a choice between a First Class Suite or BAs 'refreshed' old generation First seat, I think it is easy to figure out who'd they go for! Watching the promo video on YouTube, for a second though they'd posted Qantas' when they swept up the stairs as they have seemingly copied QFs logo concept. Only, it doesn't quite give the same effect.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 7):
Is it possible there's going to be a passenger elevator between decks? Looks like one possibly marked on the map in the galley.

That will be the cart lift you can see.

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[Edited 2013-03-05 04:43:58]
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:39 pm

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

LHR-LAX-HKG is 12716 miles while LHR-HKG is 5994 miles, so LHR-originating passengers are definitely not going to want to go "the long way" via LAX.

This means LAX-LHR and then LHR-HKG.

It will go from LHR to HKG always. Otherwise theyre bringing passengers back to LHR from HKG but none LHR-HKG.
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:50 pm

The J seats themselves actually look quite different (ie the actual thing you sit on, not the surround). Will they actually have that more defined headrest and vertical contrasting stitching, or is that just an error by the graphic designer who created the renders? Looks quite nice to me, and will break up the blocks of blue and white up quite nicely.

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Why would they want to do that? Does BA even have the rights to carry passengers between the US and HKG?

Reread the quote. The timetables suggest that the aircraft that comes from LAX (ie inbound to LHR) will continue onto HKG later the same day.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:53 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

Argh, I need coffee. Even after reading that twice I still misinterpreted it. Apologies ...
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
i.e. LAX-LHR-HKG

Thank you  
Seems like the typical scheduled is built up the following utilization:

DAY 1: LHR-LAX // 2,5hrs @ LAX // LAX-->
DAY 2: -->LHR // 3,5hrs @ LHR // LHR-->
DAY 3: -->HKG // 9hrs @ HKG // HKG-->
DAY 4: --> LHR // ?
etc......

And agin, yes it is a low utilization, but a typical utilization for a new type of aircraft entering the fleet. With three aircraft in the fleet, this implies they have quite a lot of slack for distruptcions

[Edited 2013-03-05 05:01:53]
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:59 pm

I have heard that the training flights will not be out of LHR, so I doubt we will see the A380s on short-haul.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue.

Clubworld is presently spilt between 2 decks on the 744's In practice the upper deck is for passengers on either full price fares or with high FF status. Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:09 pm

Looks great to me! As a passenger I couldn't give a monkey's if the J cabins are split. I've flown BA J plenty of times and still consider it to be one of the best out there, and on an A380 with the quieter cabin and bigger windows versus a 777/747 then this is definitely going to be popular.


In my opinion there is no need for BA to upgrade their J product yet - it's perfectly good.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.

Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting Lofty (Reply 26):

I have heard that the training flights will not be out of LHR, so I doubt we will see the A380s on short-haul.

Air France did LHR-CDG initially when they got the 380 for crew training, and that is ultra-short haul!
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):

What about Heathrow:

- 3x BA soon
- 3x SQ
- 3x QF
- 2x MH
- 5x EK
- 1x TG next summer
- 1x QR in 2014

LAX is becoming a huge destination for the A380 and I don't believe the poster would disagree that LHR is also a A380 power house. He was just mentioning it because of the topic of BA's destinations listed LAX as a destination for their A380.
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):

The promotions team also wear hats so this could be anyone, even groundstaff!
Also cityflyer crew wear hats, its just mainline LHR and LGW who dont
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting upperdeck (Reply 28):
Looks great to me! As a passenger I couldn't give a monkey's if the J cabins are split.

I personally think it's a massive plus point! All the feedback I've heard from people who've flown on AF in J on the A380 has been tinged with negativity in this respect. There are just so many J seats all lumped together, the cabin loses any semblance of exclusivity.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
- 3x BA soon

Eventually it'll be 12 x BA 


Although thinking about it DXB is something like 28 x EK
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:08 pm

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 29):
Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.

You have to weigh up the relative costs of the inconvenience to cabin crew, compared to the increased revenue from business passengers who favour a Clubworld cabin with no kids and drunken holidaymakers.
Additionally the two cabons will now have rather more passengers, so the top deck will likely stand on its own, with little need for "juggling" Even with its only a case of potentially transferring a few meal choices between cabins if one has a surplus of a choice and the other one a deficiency.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:10 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
Not to get technical, but aren't the 380s going to Worlwide or are Mixed Fleet getting them as well? I ask because, unless something has changed recently, I thought that LAX was a mixed fleet route?

It's currently only confirmed that both WW and MF crew will operate on the A380 on their own routes (rather than together).

LAX isn't currently a MF route (which are... HND, LAS, LED, DEN, NBO, PRG, PSA, MAN, KBP, LAD, SAN, BUD, GIG, VIE, ORY, LIS, TLS, HAM, ABV, ORD and BOS)

SAN would be the closest they'd fly at present, although the routes change periodically.

[Edited 2013-03-05 06:12:40]
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

Funny, I much prefer the lower deck to the upper deck on the 744. The upper deck walls make it feel more cramped and you're further from the window which I like looking out of, and I don't have to lug the carry-on up and down the stairs. I've never flown on an A380 so I can't compare but on the 744 I will always choose the lower deck if given a choice.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:21 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
I fully expect to be flying lower deck on the A380, with the upper deck Club cabin reserved for better yielding passengers.

Perhaps, though there is nothing to prevent even a lowly blue or 'Avios whore' from paying for a seat selection anywhere on board.

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 34):
Although thinking about it DXB is something like 28 x EK

Funny you mention it, Emirates posted this picture on their Facebook page:

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/859655_338755352900887_1750498667_o.jpg
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:28 pm

Could BA fly their A380s to DXB?
 
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:28 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
Only two QF. QF 1/2 [SYD] & QF 9/10 [MEL]

Thought that QF was switching to EK flights via DXB! At least that's the routing QF are advertising and selling....
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 40):
Could BA fly their A380s to DXB?

In terms of range it would be no problem for BA to operate their A380s on LHR-DXB-LHR. Their top competitor on that route, EK, operates several daily A380 flights.
For BA am afraid that the O&D market at DXB is not large enough to operate A380 economically.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:44 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 35):
compared to the increased revenue from business passengers who favour a Clubworld cabin with no kids and drunken holidaymakers.

I don't believe there is anything stopping 'kids and drunken holidaymakers' sitting on the upper deck, especially given that you can pay BA for the 'privilege' of choosing your preferred J Class seat. You talk about holidaymakers as if they are of a lower class then business men and women. I haven't experienced rowdy or drunken holidaymakers in J before, just customers who have paid just as much as the business person sat next to them. Likely, some of them holidaymakers are possibly BA frequent flyers who are merely travelling for leisure rather then work.

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:46 pm

In regards to nclmedic's post, that list is way out of date.

Mixed Fleet operate LAX and have done since August 2012.

Mixed Fleet no longer operate

DEN
SAN
BUD
LIS
TLS
ORD
BOS

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:52 pm

So no BA A380 flights to MIA, I was expecting that.

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:00 pm

I am surprised to see no indian destination on the list...
British Airways operates 2 daily flights to new delhi....One on the 747 and other is a 777...
During the christmas time (which is peak travel time) , the LHR-DEL route is packed...even during the other times LHR-DEL is a very popular route... there are multiple airlines currently doing that route so there is definitely a good market...
I feel A380 to DEL will be a good choice.. Also I am a bit surprised not to see new york in that list...

Maybe one reason BA is not operating the 380 to india is because the government might have put restrictions to protect indian carriers like Air India from losing business....

Common practice by the indian government....
They did that too LH when they wanted to operate the A380 to del....

Well what can I say.... I dont see A380 coming to india any time soon...

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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 27):
Lowly once a year bucket and spade types like me and my family have to make do with the lower deck.

Better once a year than than never !!

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 21):
From my experience of working on the A380, I feel splitting J between 2 decks will make it messy. This may work on the B747 but not on the A380. Splitting J catering and stores between decks is the main issue. The galleys also look very small. On another note, it is quite disappointing that BA haven't used this opportunity to reinvented their product. It is typical British conservatism...scared to push the envelope. I doubt passenger love the current product as BA say they do. If their passengers had a choice between a First Class Suite or BAs 'refreshed' old generation First seat, I think it is easy to figure out who'd they go for! Watching the promo video on YouTube, for a second though they'd posted Qantas' when they swept up the stairs as they have seemingly copied QFs logo concept. Only, it doesn't quite give the same effect.
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 29):
Hi, it's not really about where you put passengers, it is the effect it can have on service flow, timings and efficiency, especially when things start running short. On the 747 it is relitively easy to juggle things between the upper deck and main deck due to size albeit, still messy and annoying. On the A380, it's not so straight forward. In particular when all crew are in the middle of the service and all very busy. Things start to fall apart.

With respect ThomasCook I think we can assume that British Airways know what they are doing and that their configs take into account their own passenger profiles. (they are different for every airline you know) Considering they are far from being the first to operate this type I think we can also assume that BA have carried out research into the experience of other A380 operators.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 36):

LA is current,y a MF route I'm afraid!!!!
My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
 
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RE: BA Announce A380 Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting planiac787 (Reply 46):

I could be wrong and perhaps it's more related to a feud with EK but I was under the impression the Indian Government where not allowing any foreign airline operate A380s into India!
My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos