mia305
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Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:20 pm

What are the chances aa will start Mco to Gru.
I know aa has 3 to 4 flights a day to Gru from Mia
those flight are always full with pax connecting
from Mco. If the demand is there why not start it?
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
What are the chances aa will start Mco to Gru.

Slim to none. No yield. They will let LATAM/JJ operate it and code share.

[Edited 2013-03-05 15:37:52]
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:37 pm

MCO-GRU is a massive market.

That said, AA will never start it. The market is entirely GRU/Brazil originating, the yields are garbage, and MCO is not an AA hub.
It is what it is...
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:41 pm

Not even with a 767 or possibly a 757?
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:42 pm

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):
Not even with a 767 or possibly a 757?

No.

AA already flew MCOGRU for a short time in the late-1990's to little success. The market is significantly larger now, but the yields still significantly suck.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:49 pm

Same reason no US airline operates MCO-Europe.

Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
The market is entirely GRU/Brazil originating, the yields are garbage, and MCO is not an AA hub.

But unless those originating GRU passengers plan on vacationing in MCO permanently, would they not need to also fly back home at some point?
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6):

What it means is that the origin part of the trip is GRU not MCO. It is brazilians traveling to MCO, not the other way around.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:33 am

Well I know that with the flights that aa has from Mia to Gru have connecting
pax from Mco those flights are over sold or leave full leaving behind a lot of bags & pax.

That said I think with the proper planning and investment I think AA
can make it work.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:50 am

AA on ORD-MCO the day DL starts ORD-WAW.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 6):
But unless those originating GRU passengers plan on vacationing in MCO permanently, would they not need to also fly back home at some point?

They do go home - through MIA. As others have said above, the yield doesn't cut it for AA. MCO isn't a hub. If someone wants to take AA, they'll have to connect. JJ ops non-stop. AA has a lot on its plate, and isn't about to complicate things with a low-yield, long haul route from a non-hub, especially when a partner already operates it.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:19 am

Not to mention that on the recent DOT Brazil frequency applications, AA asked for GRU-LAX and GRU-ORD, no mention of MCO whatsoever.

I personally don't think yields are all that trashy, but it does not fit AA's business plan.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:07 am

Slim to none. MCO-GRU, while a large market, is low yield. Also, AA carries a decent amount of passengers from MCO-MIA-GRU anyway, why decrease the number of connecting passengers on MIA-GRU? Lastly, this doesn't fit AA's cornerstone strategy (whether that's still in effect or not I don't know) of focusing on key markets: DFW, ORD, MIA, LAX, JFK, and presumably CLT, PHL, and PHX after the merger is completed. These markets can handle the vast majority of passengers that AA caters to.

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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:27 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Same reason no US airline operates MCO-Europe.

Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.

That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:51 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

With a favorable exchange rate and more cargo than capacity. Yes, I'm sure the cargo lift to MCO is huge...but once again, not something LATAM dosent already have covered. Plus its not like MIA is far.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:57 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Its actually a bit different -

Hawaii was always a historic gateway to Japan(and broader Pacific nations) since prop days. Plus you have the fact that bilaterals were rather limited and provided few service point options to access a market like Japan.

Orlando-South America nor Orlando-Europe provide any of such similarities.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:57 am

Quoting mia305 (Reply 8):
That said I think with the proper planning and investment I think AA
can make it work.

Read what people are saying on here. The yields are allegedly terrible. Why start up a new route that nobody is willing to pay a profitable fare for AA to fly? It also doesn't make any sense for them to start a new international route from a city that isn't even close to a focus city for them.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:31 am

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):
...or possibly a 757?

A 757-200 wouldn't make it. Besides that fact, AA is looking to get rid of all of them.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:34 pm

With LATAM's TAM flying MCO to GRU its likely AA will code share on TAM flights but that going to be it.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:46 pm

BTW, I received a letter from TAM stating various changes to their FF program starting June. Can we see them joining One World by that time?
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:06 pm

This route also does not require daily flights all year. The peak season for Brazilians is between Dec-Mar and July. JJ operated GRU-MCO and GIG-MCO daily on A332, but will suspend GIG-MCO for a few months.
Being JJ in the same alliance as AA, codesharing would make the most sense.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:08 pm

dont forget it would take 2 aircraft for this route maybe if it took 1 plane they could make it work.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Again a large market, but its virtually all made up of inbound tourist.

There maybe a market for the flights from South America to MCO, but I doubt if there is much of one year round.
What is wrong with connecting through MIA?

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
I know aa has 3 to 4 flights a day to Gru from Mia
those flight are always full with pax connecting
from Mco. If the demand is there why not start it?

I don't think everybody on those flights to South America are coming from MCO. Maybe they maybe connecting through MIA where AA already seems to have a large funnel to South America?
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
I don't think everybody on those flights to South America are coming from MCO. Maybe they maybe connecting through MIA where AA already seems to have a large funnel to South America?

From what I've read on here, there's a substantial amount of local O&D on the MIA-South America flights, which is why they're so lucrative to AA. The connecting traffic is just icing on the cake.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
What is wrong with connecting through MIA?

Nothing is wrong about it. In fact, on AA, connecting in MIA gives MCO bound passengers more options (CNF, BSB, MAO, GIG...etc).
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:25 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 21):
dont forget it would take 2 aircraft for this route maybe if it took 1 plane they could make it work.

Doesn't require two aircraft. No premium traffic to speak of, so can be a daylight in one direction easily.

In fact, I think when AA last flew MCOGRU, it was indeed a daylight in one direction, but I could be wrong.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:02 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 23):
From what I've read on here, there's a substantial amount of local O&D on the MIA-South America flights, which is why they're so lucrative to AA. The connecting traffic is just icing on the cake.

that is what I was talking about but the OP was specifically talking about coming to and from MCO not MIA.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 24):

Nothing is wrong about it. In fact, on AA, connecting in MIA gives MCO bound passengers more options (CNF, BSB, MAO, GIG...etc).

Another reason why AA should not try a MCO flight to South America, as it is too far for what amounts to holiday traffic.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Hawaii -Japan fares are not low yield,
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:42 pm

AA tried MCO-GRU back in Spring 2000. It didn't last, but certainly an interesting add for AA at MCO.
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:00 pm

Delta is going to have a few low-J-count 767-300ERs. Maybe they can give it a try - and capture some people who don't want to fly north to ATL to connect.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That's also true on Hawaii-Japan routes but U.S. carriers have been operating that route for decades and carrying mainly Japanese tourists to Hawaii.

Its actually a bit different -

Hawaii was always a historic gateway to Japan(and broader Pacific nations) since prop days. Plus you have the fact that bilaterals were rather limited and provided few service point options to access a market like Japan.

Yes but those arguments are largely invalid now as HNL hasn't been the primary gateway between Asia and North America for decades, and U.S.-Japan is now Open Skies, yet U.S. carriers still seem to find the Japan-Hawaii market profitable even with the weak Japanese economic situation for quite a few years.
 
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RE: Chances Of AA Starting MCO To GRU

Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 29):

Delta is going to have a few low-J-count 767-300ERs. Maybe they can give it a try - and capture some people who don't want to fly north to ATL to connect.

They would probably not do it for the same reason AA isn't, which is, they are in the business to make money and Orlando isn't a strategic international gateway for them. If they were able to secure additional GRU slots, Orlando would not take precedence over ATL, JFK, DTW.

The only US airline I can imagine operating this is B6 - but they would need the proper equipment to make it work profitably.