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OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:46 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3O VNC-CMN APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6 NOV 0>0.5

4O LAS-MTY APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Moment of silence for the fallen hub...R.I.P.
*AA SJU-ANU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-EIS APR 4>0 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0 OCT 4>0 NOV 4>0
*AA SJU-FDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PTP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-PUJ APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
*AA SJU-SDQ APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-SKB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
*AA SJU-STI APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA SJU-STT APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
*AA SJU-STX APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0

AC FLL-YUL MAY 1.5>1.4 JUN 1.7>1.6 SEP 1.6>1.3 OCT 1.6>1.4
AC FLL-YYZ SEP 1.7>1.5 OCT 1.8>1.6
AC LAX-YUL SEP 3>1.8 OCT 2>1.7
AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.6>1.4
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 5>4

AF MIA-PAP NOV 0>0.7

AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.1>0.4
AM JFK-MEX JUN 5>4
*AM LAX-CUN JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.1
AM LAX-GDL MAY 1.1>1.3
*AM LAX-HUX JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
AM MIA-MEX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.8>3
AM SAT-MTY MAY 0.9>1.0
AM SMF-GDL MAY 0.5>0.7

BW FLL-KIN NOV 1.9>1.0
BW FLL-MBJ NOV 0.9>0
BW FLL-POS MAY 0.9>0.7 JUN 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7
BW JFK-KIN APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.7 JUL 2>1.7 AUG 2>1.7 SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7

CI HNL-TPE JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3

DE SJU-FRA NOV 0>0.2

DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
DL ATL-ECP JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-GUA JUN 1.8>1.9 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.4>1.5
DL ATL-MXP AUG 0.4>0.2
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10
DL ATL-SEA JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8
DL ATL-VCE AUG 0.5>0.3
DL DTW-BTV JUL 5>4
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7
*DL JFK-GEO MAY 0.6>0.1 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0
DL JFK-STI JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL JFK-ZRH AUG 1.0>0.4
DL LAX-ANC JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
*DL LAX-GEG SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
DL LGA-BOS JUL 14>13
DL LGA-DCA JUL 12>11
DL LGA-ORD JUL 13>12
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.6

FJ LAX-SBA JUN 0.2>0.1 OCT 0.1>0.0

*FL AUS-SJD JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

HA HNL-BNE SEP 0.4>0.6 OCT 0.5>0.6
HA HNL-SYD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3
*HA HNL-TPE JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4

KL IAD-AMS JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.5

LA JFK-LIM OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0
LA JFK-SCL JUN 1.0>0
LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.9>1.6
LA MHC-PMC APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0 AUG 0.6>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.4>0
LA MIA-LIM OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2
LA SFO-LIM APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 OCT 1.1>0.5 NOV 1.2>0.6

LJ GUM-ICN APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

LW ABQ-LAM APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
LW CNM-ELP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

NH ORD-NRT JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

PD BOS-YTZ MAY 7>6
PD EWR-YTZ MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 SEP 12>11 OCT 12>11 NOV 12>11
PD IAD-YTZ APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
PD MDW-YTZ JUL 6>7

QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

TA DFW-SAL APR 1.0>0.8
TA MIA-GUA APR 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-TGU APR 1.0>0.8

UA CLE-MCO AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.4
UA CLE-MSY AUG 0.7>0.3 SEP 0.7>0.2
UA DEN-ASE OCT 7>5 NOV 7>5
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4
UA DEN-LAR MAY 2>3
UA EWR-FLL NOV 7>8
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-PDX SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
UA IAD-CAE SEP 4>3
UA IAH-ABQ NOV 5>4
UA IAH-CRP JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
UA IAH-JAX NOV 4>3
UA IAH-LAS JUL 9>8
UA IAH-LBB JUL 4>3
UA IAH-LFT NOV 10>8
UA IAH-MOB JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-PNS NOV 5>4
UA IAH-RIC JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
UA IAH-SAN NOV 6>5
UA IAH-SAV JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 2>1.2
UA IAH-SEA NOV 6>5
UA IAH-TUS JUL 3>4
UA IAH-YYZ SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA LAX-IAH SEP 13>12 OCT 13>12 NOV 13>11
UA LAX-SEA JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA LAX-SLC SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.7
UA ORD-BOS JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11
UA ORD-CHS JUL 5>4
UA ORD-GSO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA ORD-LAX JUL 13>12
UA ORD-MDT SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5
UA ORD-MKE JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10 SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10
UA ORD-PNS AUG 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-SAN NOV 5>4
UA ORD-SEA NOV 6>5
UA ORD-YVR NOV 4>3
UA SFO-LAX JUN 14>15 JUL 14>15
UA SFO-MCI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA SFO-ORD NOV 15>13
UA SFO-PVR JUL 0.4>0.5
UA SFO-SEA JUL 8>9 AUG 8>10

US BOS-LGA MAY 14>13
US CLT-CAK JUN 6>7
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7
US CLT-MHT APR 1.0>1.7
US CLT-ORF JUN 8>10
US CLT-SRQ JUN 2>4
US CLT-SYR APR 3>4
US DCA-ALB JUN 3>4
US DCA-BGR JUN 2>3
US DCA-MHT JUN 3>4
US DCA-PBI JUN 4>2
US DCA-PIT JUN 5>6
US DCA-RSW JUN 0.2>1.0
US DCA-YHZ JUN 0.2>0.3
US DCA-YUL JUN 2>1.8
US PHL-BDL JUN 7>8
US PHL-EWR JUN 7>6
US PHL-PVD JUN 7>8
US PHL-ROC JUN 7>6
US PHL-SNN SEP 0.1>0.9
US PHX-LAS JUN 8>7
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

WG FLL-YYZ APR 0.4>0.2
WG LAS-YYZ MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
WG MCO-YYZ APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.3>0.1

WP HNL-KOA APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP HNL-OGG APR 4>1.1 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2 AUG 4>2 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>2
WP KOA-HNL APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0
WP KOA-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LIH-HNL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
WP LIH-OGG APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP LNY-OGG APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
WP OGG-HNL APR 4>0.5 MAY 4>1.0 JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0 AUG 4>1.0 SEP 4>1.0 OCT 4>1.0 NOV 4>1.0
WP OGG-KOA APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
WP OGG-LIH APR 1.0>0.5
WP OGG-LNY APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
ZK DEN-ISN JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK DIK-ISN JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2
ZK FOD-MCW APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0
ZK PGA-PHX APR 0.7>1.7 MAY 0.7>1.7 JUN 0.7>1.7 JUL 0.7>1.7 AUG 0.7>1.7 SEP 0.7>1.7 OCT 0.7>1.7 NOV 0.7>1.7
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-AGS JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9

Gets a 2nd daily mainline flight in June at the expense of 2 CRJs (2x A319, 7 CRJ)
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
DL ATL-CHS JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-SAV JUL 11>10

Looks like they bumped up aircraft size to give roughtly the same capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Amazing a route like that can't work in July???
*DL ATL-ONT JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0

This route was gone, then came back, now gone again from the schedule.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-MEX OCT 1.0>2 NOV 0.9>1.9

Goes to 1x A320 in June, then goes to 2x A319 starting in July. First time this route has been 2x daily, possibly ever.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MSN JUL 8>7

Bumps up to all 2-class RJs and mainline. Roughly the same net capacity on fewer flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PVD JUL 8>7

Gets 2 CRJ-900s in place of 3 CRJ-200s. First time they have had 2-class aircraft on this route in awhile.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-TVC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

Added an additional CRJ flight to now what will be 1x M88, 3x CRJ during the peak summer travel period. DTW-TVC gets 1x 320, 7x CRJ. ATL-TVC is returning this year as Sat-only CR9 which hasn't been flown in a few years. LGA-TVC operates 1x Fri, 3x Sat service on CR7s.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:25 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):

Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

Your additional detail is very helpful.  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:31 pm

WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?" Might also start to see some political schedule moves to grease the wheels at Dept of Justice for the merger.

Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though. I figured I'd let someone else try and explain that one to us.   
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

Interesting, but probably logical. DFW is a longer flight, but also offers a vast amount of connections while LGA is virtually all O&D. Plus, east-bound AA CRW travelers will be served via CLT and DCA soon.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:15 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?

I doubt it--that was probably the original intention to start it Summer 2013
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):

could be a seasonal change. maybe..
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Umm . . . AA will be the largest carrier in the CRW market--and the only carrier with more than 2 daily flights to multiple hubs--the day the merger closes. Moreover, UA has made a single daily IAH-CRW work for years, even before the merger when it was the only CO flight to CRW.
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PHL SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4

This route was notoriously packed in the PMCO days. I once saw an upgrade list of ~50 paxs after F was already full. I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs but it's interesting to see this route go down to 4x daily and see smaller aircraft like A319/320s instead of 738/739s.
 
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Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

This route has not been more than 1x daily since when NW operated the route in 2006. Finally they have a morning departure, afternoon return in addition to the red-eye.

I didn't catch this until I read your post. Things looking are looking good for DL at PDX, it seems. I'm sure they'll love the extra seats to the east!
 
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Quoting usairways85 (Reply 13):
I understand UA can now route paxs through additional hubs

It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ZK LAX-MCE APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7
ZK MCE-VIS APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0

This is changes due to ZK closing LAS. Aircraft had been running a semi-circle routing of LAX-VIS-MCE-LAS and return. Looks like now it will be LAX-VIS-LAX and LAX-MCE-LAX individually instead of the old shared routing.
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It really has nothing to do with that--IAH was the only non coastal hub to grow since the merger while ORD/DEN were reduced.

IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub
 
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Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):

They upgauged alot of routes to bigger aircraft and increased frequencies in some areas.
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Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):
IAH has grown? I thought after the whole WN international terminal at HOU debacle UA has steadily reduced IAH. Relatively speaking, it is still a major hub

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Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-FAT SEP 3>4

Extends the summer frequency increase by another month. Possibly UA reaction to F9 starting DEN-FAT (lower fare matching may be stimulating the market for UA). But we will see if there will be a future change extending the higher frequency again past Sept or not.

Their load factors are running mid 90's....in the dead of winter. Maybe F9 entering the market actually prompted someone at UA to look at this route they love to ignore? Nah, I doubt that either. We'll take the 4th to DEN, but would prefer IAH or ORD.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6
US PHX-SNA JUN 7>5

small surprise? Phoenicians usually head to the SoCal coast in droves in June!
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US CLT-DUB SEP 0.1>0.9 OCT 0>0.1
US CLT-MAD SEP 0.1>0.7

Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-SAN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6

Coincidence, or am I grasping at straws in thinking these are related as US and AA route planning start thinking about route synergies and PHX right-sizing?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>2

Gosh, I remember when this was a seasonal weekday-only route on NW. Another great add for PDX! *ETA: Interesting to note that the change is DL adding an A320 noontime eastbound departure, upgauging the red-eye to a 757 through Labor Day. Then it reverts to the A320 red-eye only, losing the noontime flight.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Cutting one of the highest demand summer routes? Out of aircraft? Crews? Or...?

Looks like it's swapping a frequency with EWR.

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Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:43 pm

*rubs hands together* Here we go!

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1):
Interesting. AA drops another one of its long thin routes from DFW to the southeast (and to a military market, at that, where AA focused upon for a while), but picks up another.

I would dearly hope that CRW-DFW is more of a market than CSG-DFW. I say I hope, but I know it is. Based on all of the other air service CRW has in comparison to CSG, I'd say it's going to be a better.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Yes, but you ignore CRW lost LGA in the 3-way trade. Not exactly showing commitment to CRW. Kinda of like "what are we trying next?

They had ORD and it did fine until they pulled themselves off the GDS systems.

Quoting pshifrin (Reply 4):
WV gets no love from the NYC area yet again. Remember when US had non stop LGA-LWB? That was so great for our company but had a load factor of like 2 people per flight.

AA should have never been the airline to pick up New york from CRW. It would have made worlds more sense for US or DL to do LGA.. or CO/UA to EWR.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Yeah, I didn't quite know what to make of dropping the LGA flight and adding DFW. That doesn't make much sense to me, even though I know the connecting options are obviously significant for the DFW frequency. Nonstop flights to LGA from anywhere in the eastern U.S. are a precious commodity, though.
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6):
CSG could possibly come back with flights to CLT after the merger (US has flown CLT-CSG before) but I fully expect CRW-DFW to be a dud. If AA wants to seriously compete in CRW they need multiple daily flights to their most logical hub, ORD.

Are you serious right now or uninformed? We've had IAH service for years now and it seems to be doing just fine. I believe you underestimate the synergies and business connections between CRW and Texas. AVL, that's not directed at you, I can't get you removed from the quote.
 
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

It's only a few week extension at the end of the season. US is doing the same for PHL-SNN
 
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA CRW-LGA JUN 0.8>0.3 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.9>0
*AA DFW-CRW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
*AA DFW-CSG JUN 1.9>0.7 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0

Interesting to see CRW switch to DFW service in JUN. It was always a very odd route for AA to fly ex-LGA.

CSG really ought to have three flights a day. Its full of military traffic. I have no idea why this is going away.

If anything, the timings were very poor with no RON aircraft in CSG.

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Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Madrid will benefit from the eventual conversion to One World, I think that will eventually be a year round route from CLT.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
I would dearly hope that CRW-DFW is more of a market than CSG-DFW. I say I hope, but I know it is. Based on all of the other air service CRW has in comparison to CSG, I'd say it's going to be a better.

Undoubtedly. Even with the military traffic, CSG suffers dearly from its proximity to ATL.

It was just interesting to me to see AA drop another long thin route from DFW, particularly one that started at around the same time as several others with military-related traffic, and then add one. (Didn't mean to imply in my original post that the two were necessarily related, as CSG is considerably different than CRW.)

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
AA should have never been the airline to pick up New york from CRW. It would have made worlds more sense for US or DL to do LGA.. or CO/UA to EWR.

Indeed. At least there are opportunities for multiple connections on either of those.
 
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW ABQ-LAM APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
LW CNM-ELP APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0

They haven't flown into ELP for a long spell. I was there yesterday and that El Paso ticket lobby is fairly quiet. I remember when they did fly there their counter at the far end of the lobby.
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NH ORD-NRT JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*NH SEA-NRT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*NH SJC-NRT APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

I obviously understand the sad loss of SEA and SJC but was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
QR ORD-DOH APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7

Same with this.... Is this now a 772?
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

77W. Simple web search reveals:

http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/2012/121225.html
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM ORD-MEX MAY 1.8>3

Whoa! AM going from less than 2 daily to 3 daily on MEX-ORD during May. That is cool. I recently booked flights to ORD in May and as far as I remember only two dailies were available for booking on the dates of my outbound and return legs. AM has been playing a bit with my schedules on flights AM 0686 and 0687... I guess it may have to do with the addition of more flights. Wonder what the schedule of the new flights looks like.
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Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 24):
Are you serious right now or uninformed? We've had IAH service for years now and it seems to be doing just fine. I believe you underestimate the synergies and business connections between CRW and Texas. AVL, that's not directed at you, I can't get you removed from the quote.

Yes I am serious. The energy industry (i.e Coal and Natural Gas) is in IAH not DFW and AA does not offer enough frequency for high-yield travellers heading beyond DFW. Combine that with the economics of a 1000 mile CRJ flight = dud.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:05 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 26):
If anything, the timings were very poor with no RON aircraft in CSG.

The schedule on aa.com has them with 07:20 / 16:35 departures and 16:00 / 21:45 arrivals.

That begs the question in my mind...who might be getting a new RON with an ERD?
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:10 am

No comments on the big ZK pull down in DIK and ISN? Down to 2 daily with ISN losing the nonstop to DEN.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-SJO JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0

THey moved up the start date? Were advance bookings that good?

No idea. I'd think it is just as much a Summer market as a Winter market.

Quoting commavia (Reply 8):
Interesting, but probably logical. DFW is a longer flight, but also offers a vast amount of connections while LGA is virtually all O&D.

Why not do both? WV is so political it just makes me wonder...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
Yes, until said incident

Let's always refer to it just like that. It'll be like on LOST. "Everything on the island was going well until THE INCIDENT, then the future was altered".

Quoting BD338 (Reply 21):
small surprise? Phoenicians usually head to the SoCal coast in droves in June!

I thought the reductions on SAN/SNA/LAS were a bit odd. I have no doubt those routes suck with WN pressure, but why cut two RTs now?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Jumping the gun year over year. I wonder if this is a testament to the strength of these routes, and maybe a hint at the possibility of them surviving the merger.

Shortening the season is a testament? I can't believe they will be there post-merger.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 22):
Coincidence, or am I grasping at straws in thinking these are related as US and AA route planning start thinking about route synergies and PHX right-sizing?

They definitely aren't doing it in concert or they would be risking very serious charges, but both sides probably know what the network should look like at the end of the merger and can move independently toward that.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 27):
Madrid will benefit from the eventual conversion to One World, I think that will eventually be a year round route from CLT.

The way things are going I'm not sure MAD and FCO will still be hubs.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
I obviously understand the sad loss of SEA and SJC but was the second ORD flight a 787 too?
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
was the second ORD flight a 787 too?

77W. Simple web search reveals:

They probably are aircraft short from backfilling 787s on other routes.
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:45 am

UA cuts 17 more flights from IAH.

Cannot believe PDX is down to 3 flights this summer. And no Avensa, this isn't a seasonal cut. This is a peak season massacre year over year.
 
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Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 37):

Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here. EWR is 3x daily PDX flights as well.

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Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
The energy industry (i.e Coal and Natural Gas) is in IAH not DFW

Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
and AA does not offer enough frequency for high-yield travellers heading beyond DFW.

Never mind the 10 daily flights to other hubs . . .
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:16 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-PDX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-SAN JUN 8>6

I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)

We also, like many west coast US stations, have 2 flights every morning (around 6:30) that op 5 minutes apart. (Even though one has always been an A321.) Maybe that strategy will be ending?

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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

According to the American Coal Council Membership Directory: http://www.americancoalonline.com/ACC_2012_Membership_Directory-LR.pdf

There are five member HQs in the Houston area while there is one HQ in Dallas and one HQ in San Antonio.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Never mind the 10 daily flights to other hubs . . .

US and AA are not anywhere even close to merged yet (and the CRW-DFW flight starts at least one year before any sort of integration might happen) so those US flights don't mean anything to AA....
 
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Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Goes to 1x A320 in June, then goes to 2x A319 starting in July. First time this route has been 2x daily, possibly ever.

It is. NW inaugurated the route with a 320, but downgauged it to the 319 when they were added into the fleet, and it's been operated with that type ever since. Under the NW umbrella, sans a few peak periods, loads didn't warrant even a DC-9-30, although premium demand & length kept the flight a 319.

DL's reluctance to streamline its product is a big pet peeve of mine. ATL-MEX is primarily flown with the 73G (with upgrades to 73H & 75X during peak periods) and yet the 90-minute longer, and nearly 5-hour flight time, DTW-MEX sees the inferior product. There's also a scheduled surge in West Coast flying from DTW operated with ex-NW aircraft ... something DL attempts to avoid from ATL.
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:04 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)

It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:34 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Which coal companies have significant operations in Houston?

A couple IIRC, though the expanding natural gas market (and some fracking) is what is new right now in West by God Virginia.

Maybe AA is after all that new BigXII traffic from WVU  
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:11 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

If I were travelling BUF, PIT, or any other east coast city-PDX on UA with a necessary stop, yes, CLE would be a hellava lot more acceptable as a connecting point than IAH or even ORD or DEN for that matter
 
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 43):
It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.

Now that I've had a chance to look at the skeds, it does appear that the morning duplication flight -- one of the two 6:30-ish departures out of SAN -- as well as the CRJ in the afternoon are missing from the June sched. The second 6:30am flight has usually been a 320 so I think a 215-seat reduction (150 + 65) is more like it.

In any case, it is interesting to think about why and I can't help but agree with those who feel that an early "merger" adjustment to the PHX operation might be behind this decrease in seats between PHX and SAN (and the other markets mentioned as well.)

SAN-PHX has not in the past been subject to any large seasonal flux by either WN or US. It's a good-sized market -- generally the second largest out of SAN and the 4th largest out of Sky Harbor -- with lots of local traffic in both directions plus many connecting pax on both cx.

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Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 38):
Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here. EWR is 3x daily PDX flights as well.

Not to step into this debate, but shorter routes need and usually get more frequency.

I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower. That's a good sign, LOL.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):
I would want to see an equip comparison between the 8-flight schedule and the 6-flight one. I know that at least one of the current r/t in the market is an RJ. (Although about half of them currently have op'd with A321s.)
Quoting wn676 (Reply 43):
It's a decrease of about 250 seats. The 6-flight schedule is two A320s and four A321s.

The missing trips vs. what was previously filed is a 321 and a CRJ.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):

I think so too, once the anger as ebbed away, UA will grow IAH.
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RE: OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US

Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):
I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower. That's a good sign, LOL.

I wonder if the anger is ebbing or UA has realized castrating themselves doesn't do much of anything to Houston. It reminds me of the 30 Rock finale where no one was paying attention to Jenna Maroney's tantrum.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 40):

Could this be related to the start of CLE-PDX for the summer? There's not much local traffic in the market so perhaps they are testing to see if CLE is an acceptable alternate connecting point to IAH.

They target such different regions that I can't imagine one 'replaces' the other.
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