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BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:00 pm

I wondered how much longer BA would hold on to their aging 737-400 fleet. These planes are from the early 90s, and as LH is scrapping their 737s of the same vintage, and AF doing the same with A320s of that age I assume that they´ll not fly much longer. 4 year old plans from 2009 spoke of 2015 but is that still the case? Did BA order replacements for them?
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:09 pm

BA will send 6 ex bmi A319s to LGW this summer altough I'm not sure if they are a replacement for the 737s or not. BA are adding routes at LGW this summer but not enough to demand 6 airplanes.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 1):
BA will send 6 ex bmi A319s to LGW this summer altough I'm not sure if they are a replacement for the 737s or not

There will be a total of 5 A319's at LGW this summer. They will remain at LGW through W13. The plan is for 10+ A319's to based at LGW S14. With 3 to 4 737's leaving the fleet W13
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:50 pm

BA has 10 new A320s due between Jun 13 and Oct 14, some of those will be for new services from LHR but, no doubt, some will be to replace older aircraft allowing them to be re-deployed to LGW.
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:49 pm

According to Jethros there are 3 A320's leaving the fleet in 2015, so how does that affect the LGW B734 replacement plan? These 3 were new to BA so I presume the leases will expire, with others to follow?
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:16 pm

Out of service is 2014 last time I heard. There was an RFP that hasn't gone anywhere yet to replace them. My suspicion is Vueling will be coming on board rather than new BA metal.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:05 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):
My suspicion is Vueling will be coming on board rather than new BA metal.

That's what I've heard as well. Supposedly some people at BCN have been asked if they are prepared to work out of LGW during set up - but I must emphasize that is a rumor from the floor so take with lots of salt.


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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):

So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting vasu (Reply 7):
So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?

Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting vasu (Reply 7):
So going by that rumour, BA would leave Gatwick shorthaul altogether?
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.

I think "yes" covers it nicely, we shall see.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:49 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
I think "yes" covers it nicely, we shall see.

  

Makes a fair amount of sense.


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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:45 pm

According to page 32 - the last page - of the IAG Annual Report here

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1790315&highlight=

the IAG group have 2 A319s and 17 A320s on order plus options on a further 31 A320s.

Of the 320s 10 are scheduled for delivery to BA between June 2013 and November of 2014 with registrations G-EUYO, 'YP and 'YR to 'YY reserved. It is unclear to me if any other of the aircraft on order will be delivered to BA.

Sceduled delivery dates for te BA aircraft are:

June 13
September 13
November 13
January 14
February 14
March 14
May 14
June 14
July 14
November 14

The oldest 320 in the BA fleet, G-EUUA , was delivered in January 2002.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:59 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
Assuming the Vueling takeover goes ahead then maybe BA will be leaving Gatwick short haul but IAG would not.

It's interesting that both BA and Vueling are starting LGW-BCN this year (5 x daily between them).
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:20 am

Personally I believe that IAG interest in Vueling is connected more to putting pressure on Iberia's employees to accept changes than to replace BA at Gatwick. There could well be co-operation on Spanish routes but not everywhere. The BA brand is better known and accepted by British travellers. I notice in another thread that that the bid for Vueling has also been delayed.

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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:25 am

Maybe a more interesting way to use Vueling if finally purchased by IAG would be to challenge the more established LCCs
on routes from other UK airports to the Sun destinations. (Including Stansted, Manxhester, Birmingham etc....) Heathrow and Gatwick tend to be less price sensitive and BA is well established at both of them)

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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:57 pm

BA LGW is dying a death of a thousand cuts an attempt to shrink into profit, something that is notoriously tricky to get right. In a decade we've seen loss of the hub, CFE and the lower cost base, GT with similar, BRT routes to INV, IOM, BA domestics to ABZ, NCL and MAN, non leisure long haul to LHR, all B733s, all B735s, ramp staff, most of the maintenance base. Actually there's not a whole lot left.
Some of the more seasoned customer service staff, a dying fleet of old B734s being supported by more a fleet of ex BMI A319s that have seating that winds up LHR frequent flyers and a core profitable fleet of B772s on the beach fleet routes. There's not much left to cut!

Any news on the fleet replacement? Seems to have gone rather quiet.
 
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RE: BA And The Old 737-400

Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:13 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
BA LGW is dying a death of a thousand cuts an attempt to shrink into profit, something that is notoriously tricky to get right. In a decade we've seen loss of the hub, CFE and the lower cost base, GT with similar, BRT routes to INV, IOM, BA domestics to ABZ, NCL and MAN, non leisure long haul to LHR, all B733s, all B735s, ramp staff, most of the maintenance base. Actually there's not a whole lot left.
Some of the more seasoned customer service staff, a dying fleet of old B734s being supported by more a fleet of ex BMI A319s that have seating that winds up LHR frequent flyers and a core profitable fleet of B772s on the beach fleet routes. There's not much left to cut!

Any news on the fleet replacement? Seems to have gone rather quiet.

You might add that at the same time the BA LGW schedule is getting more and more akward, traditional daily flights are being replaced by irregular flights at irregular timings on irregular days by irregular aircraft types - see example below:

- dep. 07:20 LGW - arr. 09:35 AMS BA 2758 734 Sunday
- dep. 07:30 LGW - arr. 09:40 AMS BA 2758 734 Saturday
- dep. 07:55 LGW - arr. 10:10 AMS BA 2758 319 Wednesday
- dep. 07:55 LGW - arr. 10:10 AMS BA 2758 734 Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri
- dep. 10:50 LGW - arr. 13:05 AMS BA 2760 734 Tue, Thu, Fri
- dep. 10:50 LGW - arr. 13:05 AMS BA 2760 319 Wednesday
- dep. 11:00 LGW - arr. 13:10 AMS BA 2760 319 Saturday
- dep. 11:00 LGW - arr. 13:10 AMS BA 2760 734 Sunday
- dep. 11:15 LGW - arr. 13:25 AMS BA 2760 734 Monday
- dep. 16:00 LGW - arr. 18:10 AMS BA 2762 319 Thursday
- dep. 16:00 LGW - arr. 18:10 AMS BA 2762 734 Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
- dep. 18:00 LGW - arr. 20:10 AMS BA 2764 734 Fri, Sat, Sun

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