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Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:00 am

Hello guys!

I know you may be familiar with the PHX thread I often reference in my comments regarding routes, and I have to say I am proud to see the contributions by Phoenicians and non-phoenicians alike since it was started in July of last year.

Well since I'm in Japan, and since I've been bombarded with Japanese aviation news (primarily in regards to the dreamliner) I feel like it's best we resurrect the Japanese Aviation thread. The last one was closed so far long ago I can't even find it in the search.

I move to Japan "officially" on March 21, and I intend on beginning a spotting group similar to PHX Spotters in Tokyo (but of course welcoming spotters from all over Japan), so I feel this thread would be a good base to start from.

I know the language barrier is an issue, so I will try my best to include everyone in the discussion. I sent an email to the mods regarding use of Japanese, translations, and the like, but I will say as for right now, please write in English.

So WELCOME to 2013's Japanese Aviation News Thread!!!!  

Let's start things off with some talking points:

The effect of the 787 grounding on NH:
(here's some articles here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...distribution-panel-trouble-3-times
and here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...sees-boeing-progress-on-batteries)

Effect of the 787 grounding on JL

Effect of the 787 grounding on pilots (article here: http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...-idled-dreamliner-pilots-lose-pay)

Spotting locations and spotting stories in Japan
What's up with HND's international ops at night? That is quite inconvenient for those who have to use the trains
Here's a debate we can have- Keisei Skyliner, Narita Express, or those busses that always get stuck in traffic- which do you prefer?

For the sake of the FAA grounding news of the 787, please use the thread below. Don't discuss those details (except the progress of the battery fixes on the Japanese 787s) here.
FAA Grounds 787 Part #12 (by 777er Mar 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I hope this thread gets a lot of participation!
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Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:09 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
What's up with HND's international ops at night?

Everything. When domestic flights don't operate late at night til early morning, HND comes to a halt.
The runways have been built further out into Tokyo Bay, so HND is now and has been for the last 15 years, a semi-island airport with approaches and departure tracks that can avoid any populated areas.
Thus the Ministry of Transport built a new enlarged int'l terminal and largely being used when domestic operations come to a halt in the late evening till early morning.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
The effect of the 787 grounding on NH

Obviously, much more impact than JAL sheerly because of the larger fleet size and nothing that fill that grounded capacity and capabilities of the 787 without resorting to wet-leases.
Frankly, I had wished ANA placed an order/lease for A330 back in 2008. That would definitely had protected ANA from all the troubles 787 has gone through and yet to go thru. This would have allowed the older 763s to be retired earlier. Furthermore, NH & JL are the only two major Far East carriers to not operate the A330s. The A330 is a much better platform for carrying cargo and additional passengers over the 763 on some of the more heavy demand routes such as NRT/HND-BKK, HKG, SIN, HNL.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:51 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 1):
Thus the Ministry of Transport built a new enlarged int'l terminal and largely being used when domestic operations come to a halt in the late evening till early morning.

I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND. My buddy flew there on DL last year and he said he was stuck there for a while until the trains came alight.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND.

For US carriers certainly, but there are international ops during the day. Korean Air, Asiana, Cathay, China, EVA are amongst foreign operators that have daytime slots.

I don't recall the start date, but Air France will have a daytime flight coming up, while Virgin Atlantic is moving from NRT to HND in 2014 with daytime slots.

When the next round of slots become available for the US side maybe they can get some daytime ones also.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:03 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I still don't really see why the international carriers are relegated to late night ops at HND.

Please re-read what I wrote. NRT is open to all int'l traffic during the daytime. Otherwise, HND is late night ops for long-haul flying.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
I don't recall the start date, but Air France will have a daytime flight coming up, while Virgin Atlantic is moving from NRT to HND in 2014 with daytime slots.

When the next round of slots become available for the US side maybe they can get some daytime ones also.

Yes, I really don't agree because it just causes headaches and accuses the Ministry of Transport on favoritism for some countries. There should be a perimeter rule for int'l routes similar to Washington National. If some countries get one or two flights so that's the way its going to go.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:12 pm

I'm curious how the new LCC's are doing?

We have the new players Peach, Air Asia Japan and Jetstar. Each one seemingly is staking out added new bases also.

Also wondering how lets say ANA conceptualizes its multiple joint-ventures with Peach, Air Asia Japan and Do Air all at the same time. What is the market placement of each, and how does one ensure it does not cannibalize its own traffic.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
how the new LCC's are doing?


Of the three new entrants Peach is doing the best. They are either meeting or exceeding expectations.
Of course, having no bad publicity helps. They have really focused on Osaka Kansai and many are flocking to them and is expanding at a good pace.

I have not heard/read anything really bad nor good from Jetstar Japan but being backed up by two big shareholders, JAL & Jetstar, helps.

AirAsia Japan is the worst off and only have three A320s after just eight months of operation. Again operating from NRT seems to be a handicap because of the curfew. Both Jetstar Asia & AirAsia have received some bad press on cancelled and late flights. Most of the cancelled flights emanate from the night curfew. For example, if the aircraft that is to operate the last two flights of the day is running late and cannot get back to NRT within the curfew, they just cancel those flights.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:40 pm

How is Starflyer doing? My buddy is flying for them nowadays.

Also, what about Fuji Dream? That airline seems to have a strange business plan.
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:53 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):
Yes, I really don't agree because it just causes headaches and accuses the Ministry of Transport on favoritism for some countries. There should be a perimeter rule for int'l routes similar to Washington National. If some countries get one or two flights so that's the way its going to go.

You think so? I think they've been pretty straightforward in granting daytime slots as bilateral agreements have been amended.

The US-Japan daytime slots have yet to be granted but Japanese airlines are as anxious as US ones, as ANA and JAL will get to split the same amount of slots that UA/AA/DL/HA will be duking out later this year.

It seems unfortunate that Japanese airports have been so handicapped to the detriment of the flying public. There's really no airport that can serve as a true hub for international/domestic connections as all of them are limited in one way or another. Kansai should have been perfect, but then you had the same nimbys that called for Itami to shut down start clamoring for it to remain open, thus you had the Narita/Haneda situation repeated in Osaka, with domestic flights on one airport and international ones on another, with the situation only made worse by the nearby Kobe airport. Nagoya seems to have a harder time than KIX in attracting long haul traffic, so it's not really much of an intercontinental hub either.

With these new daytime intercontinental slots, HND should once more provide the seamless domestic/international connections that right now are pretty much only possible through ICN or other airports.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 6):
AirAsia Japan is the worst off and only have three A320s after just eight months of operation. Again operating from NRT seems to be a handicap because of the curfew.

Doesn't sound too surprising, some of their flights arrive at NRT around 9-10pm, which makes getting to Tokyo a bit tricky in case of a delay, the last Keisei train leaves Narita at around 11pm, so even if you beat the curfew and get land there before 11pm, you very well might get stuck in Narita until 6am if you miss the last train, which is even worse than Haneda. At Haneda, you have late night buses going out till about 00:45, and if you're late, you only have about a 4 hour wait until the train starts running again (plus there's a few overnight options within the airport itself). Not surprising to hear many people don't want to run the risk of taking these flights.
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:31 am

Are JAL running charter flights to Prague again this summer?
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:21 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 9):
Are JAL running charter flights to Prague again this summer?


Probably, if the 787s are airworthy. Both the 763ER & 772ER fleets are being fairly maxed out due to the grounding.
Not sure if they handle the additional charters.

With that said, perhaps local spotters will enjoy more variety, as the tour companies can contract the flying to EU carriers.

Quoting SR117 (Reply 8):
You think so? I think they've been pretty straightforward in granting daytime slots


So which countries should get HND daytime access? Plus how does one even begin to quantify which countries should get how many slots. For example, US gets a few slots while EU gets none. Is it fair to have awarded US carriers just two slots with a gaggle of flights between Japan-US; all the while UK which only had two long-haul carriers and only 4.7 daily flights amongst all carriers get one or even two slots?
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:36 am

PIA are planning to fly nonstop to NRT from later this year maybe using 772, if so it will be their only 777 service to far east, currently flights are via PEK with A310.
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
How is Starflyer doing?


They will take delivery of their ninth aircraft later this month.
They will double the number of flights on the HND-FUK route (five to ten?) and add one additional frequency on HND-KIX.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Also, what about Fuji Dream? That airline seems to have a strange business plan.


As an independent regional airline flying E70/E75s in this part of the world, certainly.

Don't forget that there will be a new regional airline that will operate ATR72s. I have no idea where they are being based.

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
PIA are planning to fly nonstop to NRT from later this year maybe using 772


If I remember correctly, PIA actually holds four weekly slots at NRT. They operate the two weekly A310s via PEK, but they have rights on two weekly Pakistan-BKK/MNL route as well. That route was discontinued around 2000 when India-Pakistan relationship went sour.
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 12):

As an independent regional airline flying E70/E75s in this part of the world, certainly.

Don't forget that there will be a new regional airline that will operate ATR72s. I have no idea where they are being based.

I wonder if the influx of LCCs in Japan is going to have some consequences unintended.... I somehow see Starflyer being a purchaser of at least one of these LCCs in the near future.

I agree about FDA I'm not sure how long they're going to survive. Shizuoka is not well connected to its airport at all (the Shinkansen itself passes underneath the runway without stopping at the airport) My buddy just became a F.O. for FDA and he doesn't seem to pleased about it (he spent the last 2 years trying to find a job after graduating ASU)
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:40 am

FDA has its HQ in Shizuoka, but many of its flights are based out of Nagoya Komaki.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the influx of LCCs in Japan is going to have some consequences unintended.... I somehow see Starflyer being a purchaser of at least one of these LCCs in the near future.

Starflyer is not an LCC. They have 144/150 passengers in a single-class cabin, which is hardly cramming. They have a niche in the Japanese market. They are growing very slowly and code-sharing with NH on the HND-Kitakyushu and KIX routes.
 
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:58 am

KZ seems to be doing quite well, apparently. How are those 748s doing for them?

Now who handles the Japanese Post overseas? I had something mailed from Sophia to my house in Ohio, and it was supposed to be there in a week....well actually, it took 3 days and it was received today. Does KZ and the 748 handle post mail going to the US? I checked and it said that the mail was processed and cleared customs first in Chicago. Surprised me a bit.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 14):
Starflyer is not an LCC. They have 144/150 passengers in a single-class cabin, which is hardly cramming. They have a niche in the Japanese market. They are growing very slowly and code-sharing with NH on the HND-Kitakyushu and KIX routes.

Hm I wonder how my buddy got in as a pilot over there then.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:06 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 10):
So which countries should get HND daytime access? Plus how does one even begin to quantify which countries should get how many slots. For example, US gets a few slots while EU gets none.

The EU already has slots as far as I know ( http://www.orientaviation.com/sectio...Article=A20100830110827-aa6Av& ) France, Germany and The Netherlands already have access but their airlines choose not to fly to Haneda as the times are less than ideal for European based airlines. Let's not forget that Canada also has access but chooses not to exercise it as AC had trouble filling their YVR-HND flight.

Using the current slot breakdown for transcontinental ops as a basis of who gets the daytime slots seems fair enough. In fact, it seems to be the blueprint the MLIT is be following, with Germany being the latest country to get a new agreement ( http://en.airportnews.jp/headline/644/ ), while the UK and France already have their daytime slots.

Access to Narita is already limited by the number of slots available and bilateral agreements, so it's not as if Haneda is the only airport where new slots have to be divided up and allocated. There will always be winners and losers, but that's the way things go when you have limited resources.
 
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:44 am

I saw Air Transport World has named ANA its Airline of the Year.

Magazine found that ANA demonstrated excellence and outstanding performance across all selection areas - strong financial discipline, excellent safety record, eco and technology endeavors, high standards of customer service.

Kudos to ANA !
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:24 am

It's almost been 2 years since 3/11/11 and looks like SDJ is bouncing back nicely. HA is beginning service on a triangle route HNL-SDJ-CTS soon.


What's up with the air today?! Some sort of dust storm. Reminds me of Phoenix!!

Here's an article about NRT and a "new runway" that's 2,500 meters... is this an extension to the B runway? Or is this a cross runway?
http://www.japantoday.com/category/n...-with-opening-of-2500-meter-runway
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:41 am

Hey guys I have a spotter request-

I'm flying DL 275 DTW-NRT which arrives March 21. Anyone who is on the ground in Narita, if you can spot me, that would be amazing. Let me know if you get anything on March 21 from DL 275  

A/c is a sNW 744. Unknown reg (they route those things quite a bit)

Thanks!
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
What's up with the air today?! Some sort of dust storm.


Originating in the Gobi Desert. We had it here last Saturday and Sunday.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Here's an article about NRT and a "new runway" that's 2,500 meters... is this an extension to the B runway? Or is this a cross runway?


The article is dated March 8, though the author really doesn't know what he/she is writing about. First of all, the second runway which is Runway 16L/34R has been in operation for nearly 11 years, though its initial length was 2,180m. It was lengthened in 2008 or 2009 to 2,500m. Is even possible to add 10 new parking spots at once? NRT has been opening new parking positions, though piecemeal with few here and there over the past few years.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:45 pm

I visit Japan every year - have a Japanese missus - and love going spotting there when she's off with her friends / relatives.
Thing is, at HND, yes, it's busy but I can't see why it's so slot constrained during the day with 4 runways, 3 normally operating at any one time. I'm sure LHR has more movements a day with it's two runways for example. I feel another good few long-haul services could be easily accommodated during day hours, there's certainly gates free on the international terminal then.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:11 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 21):
there's certainly gates free on the international terminal then.

The int'l terminal is deserted after 1000 and doesn't really pickup until after 2000.
Yes, many of the gates go unoccupied during the daylight hours only to have the gates and remote spots filled after 2200.
That underutilized int'l terminal is already in expansion mode with additional gates to be constructed further north.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:11 pm

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Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:08 pm

Has ANA managed to secure earlier than planned delivery of their remaining 3 77E's on order ?
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:36 am

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
よろしくおねがいします

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Great idea to revive this! Appreciated!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Now who handles the Japanese Post overseas?

ANA does some of it. If i recall correctly, you can realize Post carriers by the Post sign (〒) on the frame.
Quite sure JL also does and my common sense tells me that others like DHL/Fedex also would.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
What's up with the air today?! Some sort of dust storm

Quite heavy crosswinds hitting especially NRT. I heard that winds were gusting up to 50kts and a/c had to wait for arrival/departure up to 2-3 hours as they were piling up. Not sure if it is true, but i also heard that some a/c opened the doors to make the wind blow through instead of nearly tipping the ship.
In NRT it's kind of tricky when the high pressure system that usually is kind of stable over Kanto area changes to low pressure, causing the wind to change to south-westerly direction - it hits especially runway 34. If i remember correctly, the Fedex MD11 crash happened in this situation.

And the dust is kind of usual in this time, coming from China. You can see it in the METAR/TAF quite regularly now.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 21):
Thing is, at HND, yes, it's busy but I can't see why it's so slot constrained during the day with 4 runways, 3 normally operating at any one time

My 2 cents: I think HND (as also NRT) don't have high-dense operation. So while LHR (and MUC i.e.) constantly keep on landing and taking off at both runways and utilizing the maximum movements possible, HND/NRT only land at one runway while another one is purely used for take off. This makes the max movements possible drop significantly.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting Senchingo (Reply 25):
In NRT it's kind of tricky when the high pressure system that usually is kind of stable over Kanto area changes to low pressure, causing the wind to change to south-westerly direction - it hits especially runway 34. If i remember correctly, the Fedex MD11 crash happened in this situation.

yeah same with that NH 763 that buckled a bit on landing last year. Something tells me that those runways are horribly positioned for crosswinds.

Wasn't the master plan calling for a cross runway that essentially would go with the wind?

Then those commies over there with their towers and disruptions   (more like Nimbys but you get the point)
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:24 am

Quoting Senchingo (Reply 25):
My 2 cents: I think HND (as also NRT) don't have high-dense operation. So while LHR (and MUC i.e.) constantly keep on landing and taking off at both runways and utilizing the maximum movements possible, HND/NRT only land at one runway while another one is purely used for take off. This makes the max movements possible drop significantly.


Not really. Both HND & NRT use mixed operations for some of their runways. It is just that the artificial limit is kept low by allocating a slot system. ATC is pretty efficient but no where near what I have seen at LHR & MUC. LHR is probably too extreme but it works when the weather is good but we all know what happens when the weather turns for the worse, but that's kind of blanket example for any where around the world.
Two of the runways at HND are uni-directional - Runways 4/22 & 5/23. Take-offs on Runway 4 & 5 are allowed while landing on Runway 22 & 23 only.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Something tells me that those runways are horribly positioned for crosswinds.


While I can't say for sure, I am sure the airport planners took into account the prevailing winds for the entire year. Sure there are the few days that get the extreme cross winds.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Wasn't the master plan calling for a cross runway that essentially would go with the wind?


There is or maybe there still is, but Runway 2/20? is partially built. Look at the south end of that proposed runway.
They have been continuing to build parking aprons adjacent to the planned runway, but the finishing of the planned runway is blocked by at least one homeowner. Crazy, if you have a chance go to the southern end of the Terminal 1 Observation Deck and there is one home right smack in the middle between taxiways.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:37 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 27):
Crazy, if you have a chance go to the southern end of the Terminal 1 Observation Deck and there is one home right smack in the middle between taxiways.

Another one of those guys is STILL there?!
Man, I bet you any of the kaisha's will offer that guy a million bucks for that small house.

I think I can see it on Google Maps:

http://i50.tinypic.com/b47ub8.png

Right in the middle, that thing right by the curve in the street?
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:14 pm

An article about the Mitsubishi Regional Jet......how come none of us have covered this thing yet?


http://www.japantoday.com/category/b...an-jets-into-regional-plane-market

Should have its first flight is year.
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Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 27):
but the finishing of the planned runway is blocked by at least one homeowner. Crazy, if you have a chance go to the southern end of the Terminal 1 Observation Deck and there is one home right smack in the middle between taxiways.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Another one of those guys is STILL there?!
Man, I bet you any of the kaisha's will offer that guy a million bucks for that small house.

Yap. One of the reasons why several constructions couldn't be started/continued as he/she/they are blocking the way and probably won't ever move until they die.

I heard as they are within the security area, they have their own tunnel surrounded by fence through which they can get to the public side.

And i think it was two houses that still remain inside the airport area nowadays.

Edit:
Couldn't find the second one, but the first one that PHX787 pretty clear and you can actually see the tunnel for getting out:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7038/nrtr.jpg

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Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:15 am

There's also a stubborn homeowner at the approach end of Runway 34R too.
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:09 am

Come on, admit it that's it's you so you are never far away from the action !  
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:22 am

Anyone know which aircraft typically use the B runway as opposed to the A runway at NRT? On FR24 I've seen 777s and 787s use both runways but it depends.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 32):
Come on, admit it that's it's you so you are never far away from the action !

Well I'd probably want a home right next to the runway so I can look out back and watch them rotate right in front of me  


If I bought that house I'd ask to move it just far enough so they can complete that cross runway but still enough so I can smell the kerosene burning from the jetblast  
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:45 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Anyone know which aircraft typically use the B runway as opposed to the A runway at NRT?

Just from my personal experience but the A rwy is typically used for take-off while the B runway is used for landings. On my flights from YVR-NRT, we landed on the 2500 metre rwy in 2009 (when JAL was still a large int'l airline).

But I think there are exceptions.

I don't think an A380 from CDG, SIN, FRA can land on a 2500 metre rwy.
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RE: Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 am

Anybody know who flew the Japanese baseball team back to Japan?
I have heard DL A333 did the US inbound.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Anyone know which aircraft typically use the B runway as opposed to the A runway at NRT? On FR24 I've seen 777s and 787s use both runways but it depends.

To put it simply, only the A380 (plus non-scheduled An-124 & An-225) is not allowed on Runway 16L/34R.
It's not aircraft performance related but something to do with the wing-tip clearance on one of the taxiways to that runway.
 
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RE: Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:56 am

The NOTAMS for RJCC (Chitose) stated taxiway closures due to snow (removal) for quite a while. Tryed a quick search, but couldn't find anything relate right now.

Does anyone have an idea what they do there? As Chitose has quite a lot of snow in the winter season, do they store the snow on the taxiways? Or are those taxiways just not being cleaned during snowfall seasons?
 
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RE: Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:56 am

Quoting Senchingo (Reply 36):
Does anyone have an idea what they do there? As Chitose has quite a lot of snow in the winter season, do they store the snow on the taxiways? Or are those taxiways just not being cleaned during snowfall seasons?

Im not sure about CTS but I know one of the airports in Nagano loads it into trucks and disposes of it that way
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RE: Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:39 pm

There's like 5 threads open in regards to Japanese aviation. Lets keep clutter down and discuss it here.
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RE: Japanese Aviation News Thread 2013

Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:50 am

I was at NRT today to send my father off back to the states, and his airplane came back TWICE...once for fuel because of the long line for the runway, and again because of a "cargo maintannence" issue...any ramp rats at NRT following this thread know any details? Or anyone else really? Flight was DL276 N672US
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