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Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:48 pm

They have the rights for HKG-LHR-JFK and they were desperate in applying for this route. Will they start service anytime soon? Also they mentioned about HKG-SYD-LAX. Will they apply for it? What's up with SQ? Do they still want to fly this route?

CX is a top airline and I am sure they can attract lots of customers.
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
HKG-LHR-JFK

The premium cabins on LHR-JFK are highly contract-driven with big business. There's probably little left over of the walk-up crowd to fight over. In addition, HKG-JFK via LHR is a very inefficient routing vs. HKG-JFK nonstop, and CX isn't known for frivolous routings.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
HKG-SYD-LAX

Just like SIN-SYD-LAX, this isn't a natural routing between the origin and destination in the realm of 5th Freedom rights. There's really no reason for it to exist in either CX or SQ's network, except to siphon off traffic from the established carriers representing the countries on either end of SYD-LAX.
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:02 pm

Neither CX or SQ have rights SYD/MEL-LAX. In the current climate I doubt they would want them either, Trans Pacific is still a blood bath with 4 competitors.
As an example I found a fare in Sept for $A1529 SYD-SFO-LHR return on UA. That's less than I paid for SYD-SFO return last Sept!!!

Somehow I don't think the yields are there to attract the likes of CX or SQ.

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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:40 am

I have not heard any rumours about this recently and with new 77Ws needed to replace existing 744 longhaul flights, there will not be any new longhaul routes launched anytime soon with the exception of perhaps EWR.
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:53 am

I highly doubt it. Why would they go chasing heavily congested markets around the world when they can just expand at their already highly profitable home base?

From memory, most of these ideas were around before the Atlantic became JV central, and before the Australia-US Open Skies was signed -- perhaps it made more sense then.
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:24 am

Perhaps the B 747-400s might stay longer if the economy is not that bad. And there might be some spare aircraft for these routes?

CX doesn't operate any transatlantic flight and perhaps LHR-JFK is a good addition to their network?

What about Central/South America? They said they would venture the south earlier. SQ flies to Sau Paulo so why not CX?
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
CX doesn't operate any transatlantic flight and perhaps LHR-JFK is a good addition to their network?

Why would CX enter this bloodbath with its own aircraft when it can transfer pax to Oneworld partners BA and AA? Especially with BA going A380 LHR - JFK it doesn't make sense for CX to enter the market.

Entering the market will only serve to depress yields even more than they are currently and I doubt CX would be able to get too many of the lucrative corporate contracts that are the bread-and-butter of the route.
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:06 am

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
CX is a top airline and I am sure they can attract lots of customers.

CX would be a junk fare player on SYD-LAX and LHR-JFK, competing against rivals who are good enough on product, and handily beat CX on frequencies and connectivity.
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:17 am

If CX has slots for LHRJFK, I am sure they would rather utilize the slots to operate an additional HKGLHR;
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:50 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 6):
Why would CX enter this bloodbath with its own aircraft when it can transfer pax to Oneworld partners BA and AA? Especially with BA going A380 LHR - JFK it doesn't make sense for CX to enter the market.

Not just that but AA's J hard product in the 77W is nearly identical to CX's long haul J product; on a route which AA has twice daily 77Ws at the moment. AA's Y is also nearly identical to CX's Y too.. Albeit the service may not be as good as on CX and anyone not a OW elite would have to pay more to get the 9-abreast Main Cabin Extra.

For CX to have one daily flight doesn't make sense when everyone else has 4 or 5. Even SQ didn't join the bloodbath for NYC with their trans-Atlantic flight ex-FRA.
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:36 am

Why did they apply for LHR-JFK at the first place?
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Why did they apply for LHR-JFK at the first place?

Wasn't it a condition of allowing UK airlines to fly HKG-AUS that CX could fly LHR-JFK? So CX may not necessarily have wanted those rights but may as well take the option if its handed to you on a plate.
 
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RE: Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:57 am

Hong Kong LHR/JFK, I could see them getting that but HKG SYD LAX no way! That route is very protected by the Fedral Government for QF the SYD/LAX service is QF's bread and butter SQ has tried for years with out suscess so I dont see CX being sucessful either applying for this route even though they and QF are in OW.