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Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:20 am

New Boeing 747-8 service to Hong Kong
The latest addition to the Lufthansa fleet, the Boeing 747-8, has rapidly become a favourite among Lufthansa passengers. The “Queen of the Skies” is currently deployed on routes to Washington and Los Angeles, as well as to Bangalore and Delhi in India. At the start of the summer timetable, Lufthansa is due to accept further deliveries of this state-of-the-art, environmentally friendly jumbo. This year, Lufthansa will take delivery of five new Boeing B747-8s from Seattle. At the end of March, Frankfurt - Hong Kong will become the next route to switch to the new aircraft.


http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...ve/2013/march/06/article/2373.html

[Edited 2013-03-08 01:27:51 by Wilco737]
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting tailfin (Thread starter):
The “Queen of the Skies” is currently deployed on routes to Washington and Los Angeles, as well as to Bangalore and Delhi in India.

BLR will be back to 744 to perform the flights to HKG with 748, but once the 6th 748 arrives (D-ABYH) it will be back on 748.

Quoting tailfin (Thread starter):
At the end of March, Frankfurt - Hong Kong will become the next route to switch to the new aircraft.

Exact date is not confirmed yet. Depends on the delivery of D-ABYG.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):
BLR will be back to 744 to perform the flights to HKG with 748, but once the 6th 748 arrives (D-ABYH) it will be back on 748.

Shouldn't the sixth one be there by the end of March?
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:57 am

Quoting LH422 (Reply 2):
Shouldn't the sixth one be there by the end of March?

Yes. D-ABYG is due next week (subject to change) and end of March D-ABYH is expected.

You need 2 airplanes for the HKG operation, so BLR is back to 744 until both 748's have arrived.

Hong Kong Spotter get out there and take a picture of the first arrival.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:51 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 3):
You need 2 airplanes for the HKG operation, so BLR is back to 744 until both 748's have arrived.

Isnt it a waste to put a frame like 748 on a route where there is a long layover time like in HKG?

Do you maybe know witch 748 frames are more premium configured and witch are less, and how are the upcoming frames going to be configured?

[Edited 2013-03-08 02:54:39]
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting ZEDZAG (Reply 4):
Do you maybe know witch 748 frames are more premium configured and witch are less, and how are the upcoming frames going to be configured?

Looks like all 748's will be in the F8 C80 Y298 configuration. The current ones we have are in that configuration as well.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 5):
The current ones we have are in that configuration as well.

Isnt D-ABYA configured F8 C92 Y262 ? So I thought some aditional frames are configured like that
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:59 am

Quoting ZEDZAG (Reply 6):
Isnt D-ABYA configured F8 C92 Y262 ? So I thought some aditional frames are configured like that

It was when it got delivered. But for the winter season it was reconfigured to the smaller C and bigger Y class. As it has been done with the 744 as well.

I haven't heard anything if they put it back to high C class for the summer. Couldn't find any information on that.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:43 pm

I know we're probably very low on the totem pole, with the likes of MEX, GRU, ORD, etc, ahead of us, but I can't wait to see this beauty here in BOS  
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
I know we're probably very low on the totem pole, with the likes of MEX, GRU, ORD, etc, ahead of us, but I can't wait to see this beauty here in BOS  

You never know. But BOS is currently 346 again, so chances are low it will get 748 anytime soon.

Rumours for MEX, GRU are still out there. ORD is still very high on the list. There are more frames coming this year, so wel'll see.

Congrats to the guys from HKG to get that beautiful bird now.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 9):
You never know. But BOS is currently 346 again, so chances are low it will get 748 anytime soon.

BOS will be 744 and A343 in the summer again. I'm still hoping for ORD or BOS on 748 before September.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:21 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
BOS will be 744 and A343 in the summer again.

Yes, it is either the one or the other. Even 346 is planned from what I have heard.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
I'm still hoping for ORD or BOS on 748 before September.

ORD will happen sooner or later, BOS doesn't look like it. There are other destinations which are of higher priority...

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 11):
Yes, it is either the one or the other. Even 346 is planned from what I have heard.

At the moment, it is a daily A340-600. March 30 it will switch to daily 747-400. April 19 it switches to a daily A340-600 and a daily A340-300 or A330-300 on Tuesdays. On July 29, it switches to daily B747-400 and daily A340-300 or A330-300 on Tuesdays.

BOS spotters are always treated kindly by Lufthansa. And these are only the flights from FRA. LH424 from MUC is also a mix of A330-300, A340-300 and A340-600. Perhaps they'll get a special treat at some point?  
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:41 pm

Any hope for Denver to see a -8 Wilco?
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 12):
At the moment, it is a daily A340-600. March 30 it will switch to daily 747-400. April 19 it switches to a daily A340-600 and a daily A340-300 or A330-300 on Tuesdays. On July 29, it switches to daily B747-400 and daily A340-300 or A330-300 on Tuesdays.

Yes, that could be the plan. But my 10 years of LH shows me: that can change a lot 
Quoting StressedOut (Reply 13):
Any hope for Denver to see a -8 Wilco?

Everything is possible. But ORD seems to be higher on the priority list and the rumours within LH say other destinations than DEN...

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:00 pm

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 14):
Any hope for Denver to see a -8 Wilco?

DEN was one of the last cities to see the 744 with the old interior. It doesn't seem to be high on their list for high-quality cabins. I could see it if demand rises, though, because I can't picture the A380 in DEN (at least, until EK starts service there).
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
DEN was one of the last cities to see the 744 with the old interior.

That is, DEN still sees D-ABVD there regularly.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 12):
BOS spotters are always treated kindly by Lufthansa. And these are only the flights from FRA. LH424 from MUC is also a mix of A330-300, A340-300 and A340-600. Perhaps they'll get a special treat at some point?

I wonder what LH's reaction in BOS will be now that US is leaving *A. As I understand it, there was a fair bit of connecting traffic from US to LH at BOS, not to mention US's Boston based FF customers. Will LH reduce capacity as a result of US leaving *A, or will they strengthen their relationship with B6 and improve their product (i.e. 748i), to retain some of those US premium customers? Interesting times ahead for LH at BOS.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 3):

Are you driving the 748 these days Wilco? Last I checked you were on the MD11.
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:25 pm

I am flying LH 754 FRA-BLR on the 13th of march and LH 755 BLR-FRA on the 28th of march.Any chances of getting an euip change to a 744 on those dates..???..Dear Lord..I really hope not..!!!!
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:21 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 18):

I left the MD11 behind a couple of years now. I am now senior first officer on B744/ 748.

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 19):

You should be fine as the change to 744 won't happen until the first flight to HKG hasn't happen with the 748. And this is set to end of march.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:48 pm

Has MEX been confirmed as a future 748i destination?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 20):
I am now senior first officer on B744/ 748.

Do the same pilots fly the 744 and 748? Sorry, I wasn't aware, can you elaborate...?
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:06 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):

Not confirmed, but it is being discussed as well. MEX is rather critical performance wise and maybe the -8i does it better.

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 22):

Yes, all 744 pilots will be allowed to fly 748 after a so called difference course. Almost all pilots are trained on the 748 now.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 22):
Do the same pilots fly the 744 and 748?

Like Wilco737 says, yes. It is the same type rating, at least as far as the FAA is concerned. Now whether LH 744 pilots can switch to the 748 with minimal additional training is up to the airline in question, but it looks like Lufthansa allows that. It is like switching from the A343 to the newer A346.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:04 am

I can't wait for my first 748 flight from HKG to FRA on the evening of 15th June!
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:39 am

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):
BLR will be back to 744 to perform the flights to HKG with 748

 Wow!  

Glad I got my BLR-FRA-BLR flights on the 748 last month! It was lovely so I'm doing it again in July.  
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:15 pm

Yesterday and the day before FRA - BLR was a 744 if I remember correctly.

I always wondered how long it will take until LH goes with the 748 to Hong Kong as I thought that it is a strong destination for LH in that area.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:51 pm

Quoting american 767 (Reply 24):
Like Wilco737 says, yes. It is the same type rating, at least as far as the FAA is concerned. Now whether LH 744 pilots can switch to the 748 with minimal additional training is up to the airline in question, but it looks like Lufthansa allows that. It is like switching from the A343 to the newer A346.

Thanks for confirming. But as I am flying both 744 and 748 I know what training I went through 

Boeing made a suggestion how much traffic is minium requirement, then LH makes a program what they want to add to the training and show it to the German LBA. And they have to agree and approve.

Quoting PM (Reply 26):
Glad I got my BLR-FRA-BLR flights on the 748 last month! It was lovely so I'm doing it again in July.  

Glad to hear that you liked it

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 27):
Yesterday and the day before FRA - BLR was a 744 if I remember correctly.

Yes, happens from time to time as the airplanes need to undergo some maintenance as well. I flew the 744 a couple times to IAD as well. You could fly it with one frame, but then there would be no time for checks.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 28):

So maybe this was just illusions or rough weather day but I've flown on the 744 quite a bit and found them very smooth. On the one 748 flight I was on FRA-IAD, the 'wiggle' on climb-out and landing was quite much and I figured it was because of the different wing, especially from the back of the bus. True or is the ride the same as that on the 744?
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 29):
So maybe this was just illusions or rough weather day but I've flown on the 744 quite a bit and found them very smooth. On the one 748 flight I was on FRA-IAD, the 'wiggle' on climb-out and landing was quite much and I figured it was because of the different wing, especially from the back of the bus. True or is the ride the same as that on the 744?

Yes, the 748 is longer and it feels different during climb out and during approach in rough weather. It is a stable airplane, but due to its length and the wings it feels 'wigglier'  

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Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 28):

Yes, happens from time to time as the airplanes need to undergo some maintenance as well. I flew the 744 a couple times to IAD as well. You could fly it with one frame, but then there would be no time for checks.

Do you know if one of the 747-8s is scheduled for a somewhat longer check in early May?

From 05-08 May, FRA-IAD-FRA is on a 744. Guess who is booked on that route on the 6th...   
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 31):
Do you know if one of the 747-8s is scheduled for a somewhat longer check in early May?

No, no clue, sorry. Don't know the check schedule for them. But could be. Or the loads are very low and they take the 744 instead. Or send the 748 somewhere else. Dunno.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 31):
From 05-08 May, FRA-IAD-FRA is on a 744. Guess who is booked on that route on the 6th...   

Ermmm, you?   

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 30):
Yes, the 748 is longer and it feels different during climb out and during approach in rough weather. It is a stable airplane, but due to its length and the wings it feels 'wigglier'

That's good to know, Thanks.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 31):
From 05-08 May, FRA-IAD-FRA is on a 744. Guess who is booked on that route on the 6th...   


Ooh that sucks! I've noticed they've been swapping LH418/419 with a 744 almost once/week lately, not sure why! I'd have gone nuts if they did that to me when I flew that route because I paid considerably more to fly FRA-IAD-SFO instead of the direct FRA-SFO, just to try the 748.
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:34 pm

Good news for travellers on the HKG route  

How about KIX and PVG as future 747-8 destinations?
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 34):
Good news for travellers on the HKG route  

Indeed. And performance is better of the 748 as well. The 744 is usually pretty heavy out of HKG with a pretty long flight (12hrs50mins).

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 34):
How about KIX and PVG as future 747-8 destinations?

Both options, but PVG is still the next wish destination for the A380, but the chinese won't let it. So maybe better send the 748.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 35):
ndeed. And performance is better of the 748 as well. The 744 is usually pretty heavy out of HKG with a pretty long flight (12hrs50mins).

Heard something about the need for extra oxygen tanks on the 400s operating to HKG (route over the mountain range), and that's the reason HKG did not get the new first class on a daily basis. Any trout in this?

Anyhow HKG travellers will get new first on one of the sleekest aircraft out there  
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 36):
Heard something about the need for extra oxygen tanks on the 400s operating to HKG (route over the mountain range), and that's the reason HKG did not get the new first class on a daily basis. Any trout in this?

Yes, the airway is called L888 and is over the high terrain in China. There are indeed special oxygen requirements to fly over that route and not all our 744's have these bigger (or more) oxygen tanks. So only the airplanes with the V in the registraion (e.g. D-ABVY) have these oxygen tanks. (except D-ABVM). But all others are not allowed over L888. So they are not sent to HKG.

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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:26 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 37):
Yes, the airway is called L888 and is over the high terrain in China. There are indeed special oxygen requirements to fly over that route and not all our 744's have these bigger (or more) oxygen tanks. So only the airplanes with the V in the registraion (e.g. D-ABVY) have these oxygen tanks. (except D-ABVM). But all others are not allowed over L888. So they are not sent to HKG.

Excellent and informative post as always   

Looking even more forward to my next HKG trip with LH now.
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RE: Lufthansa 747-8 To Hong Kong

Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:09 am

The flight to HKG is now bookable on www.lufthansa.com

First flight to HKG starts with the summer schedule. Leaving FRA on the 31st of March, arriving in HKG on April 1st. Hopefully it won't be an April fool 

Happy booking and happy flying.

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