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AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:46 am

According to KTVZ (Redmond/Bend, Oregon) and flyRDM.com American (Eagle) is looking to add flights from LAX to RDM. It appears that the CRJ-200 would be used to service this route. I believe this is an excellent move for AA and for the citizens of Redmond and Bend. Not to mention for Southerns Californians who want to escape for the weekend and ski Mt. Bachelor or stay in the resort area of Sunriver.

Link to fly RDM powerpoint:
RDM-LAX+2013+-+EDCO.pdf" target="_blank">http://library.constantcontact.com/d...rlines+ATB+RDM-LAX+2013+-+EDCO.pdf
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:52 am

Does UAX fly this route or have they in the past?
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1):
Does UAX fly this route or have they in the past?

I'm uncertain about UAX but I want to say that Horizon/AS at one time operated RDM-LAX.
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Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:31 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 2):
I'm uncertain about UAX but I want to say that Horizon/AS at one time operated RDM-LAX.

Yeah, QX has done this before. Seems like long thin routes to the Northwest from LAX don't always work for AS/QX. I think they still do LAX-MFR, and LAX-SUN seasonally, but have tried and discontinued LAX-RDM, LAX-EUG, LAX-GEG, LAX-BZN, LAX-RDD and LAX-ACV.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:38 am

The Q400 was probably too big for most of those markets, although I had been on full round-robin flights ACV-RDD-LAX before QX stopped it. (ACV-RDD-PDX too.) The CRJ at 50 seats might hit the sweet spot.

QX does fill the daily MFR-LAX flight, and I'm not sure why they only do one per day. There are only 7 seats left to assign on my flight in May.

Eagle was going to fly LAX-ACV a year ago, but needed a revenue guarantee.....Humboldt County didn't get it together soon enough. They do have the resources now, and are trying to lure a carrier in.

Good luck to RDM on this.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:40 am

The CRJ-200 and the Q400 have about the same trip cost. Horizon couldn't make it work with those same AA, AS connections (and QX had DL and CO as well). Redmond/Bend area was hit hard by the recession. I would imagine this route will be short lived (just as AA's BOI route was). If AA commits, AA will simply take the money and run.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:41 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 4):

The Q400 has the same trip costs as the CRJ.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:17 am

This is a SCASD project.

RDM has had $350,000 travel bank and willingness to waive some airport fees.

A concern is what happens when the $$$ runs out ? (its for 12-months only)

Frankly a 750mi trip is not a cheap thing to support.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:32 am

I think the most interesting aspect of this thread is that the OP has only 8 posts over 7 years. What restraint!!!     

Kidding aside, the marketing folks at AMR have been reviewing various Pac. NW opportunities over the last couple of years. The basic idea is to use community grants to offset AA's decidedly weak presence and limited visibility in the region.

I think RDM epitomizes the definition of 'long-and-thin'. Probably one the riskier (from a community standpoint) SCASD proposals. Seems like a well served community, despite (or, likely, due to) its geographic isolation vs. the other Oregon 'burgs.

This may well be a case of being 'best in class', since the ACV and GEG opportunities have gone. GEG made quite an effort to court AA/AE with its SCASD grant. I believe the aircraft restriction was too onerous - limited fleet, no historical presence. If GEG had been willing to entertain a 50 seater, AA likely would've made the jump.

The sentiment at ACV seems to have changed due to a restriction with its SCASD. Though still desirous of alternative service, ACV's proposal seeks establishment of an eastward link. This, in spite of the fact that L.A. (and basin) is the highest demand region.

The fed portion of the SCASD apparently nixes LAX as a gateway due to having been served previously.

Quoting superdash (Reply 5):
I would imagine this route will be short lived (just as AA's BOI route was). If AA commits, AA will simply take the money and run.

Regarding BOI - IMO, the marketing side made a serious mistake with the schedules. The skeds positioned AA to compete on LAX point-of-sale, as well as BOI - Hawaii. When AS served BOI-LAX, the morning originator consistently fed connections to AA's broader network east of LAX, while carrying a fair share of BOI local traffic.

A carriers' propensity to 'abandon' SCASD communities is simply predicated on the success of the program. The patronage will determine the outcome. On that basis, DL is just as likely to abandon GEG-LAX.

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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:49 am

Heard this news from a FA a few days back, but neglected to post a "Heard from a flight attendant..." post. Glad to see this is actually coming true.

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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:05 am

Dont forget that Allegiant had been flying into RDM up until last summer when they closed the station.

Regarding the QX routes, they used to have thru flights that originated in EUG that would have stops in RDM and MFR before ending in LAX. It started as EUG-MFR-LAX and the problem they ran into was only a handful of people flying from EUG-MFR but the airplane would be oversold on the MFR-LAX leg, hence why there's no more EUG-MFR and now MFR-LAX. In place of that they re-routed and went EUG-RDM-LAX and the route was mostly empty all the way around so they dropped it.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:17 am

Alaska also flew 727s SEA-RDM-LAX at one time. Although it was, IIRC, for the ski season and bankrolled by Mt Bachelor Resort. I want to say late '90s for that.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:01 am

If anyone could pull off LAX-RDM it'd probably be UA, who would simply be "connecting the dots". They wouldn't risk station start up costs, they have pretty strong brand awareness/FF appeal throughout Oregon. AA is very weak in Oregon and throughout the Northwest, and with the notable exception of SAF*, it hasn't been successful with new regional services to small markets from LAX - think BOI, ROW, and the ACV service that never began because there wasn't enough money backing it. I simply see this as a waste of time and money for RDM...

*A number of unique factors help(ed) make LAX-SAF successful for AA:

1) First mover advantage in the market. AA was until recently the only option in and out of SAF, unless you wanted to use ABQ, which brings up my next point...

2) Proximity to ABQ, where AA has a pretty strong FF base and presence.

3) SAF was a crucial "bridge" between Eagle bases at DFW and LAX before the major Eagle expansion.

4) Massive tourist appeal and popularity.

RDM does not have those factors in play. AA would have to compete against well established carriers AS, DL, and UA, and while Bend/Sunriver are fairly well known in Southern California (and throughout the West Coast), let's face it, the area is not as popular as Santa Fe...
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:04 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 11):
Alaska also flew 727s SEA-RDM-LAX at one time

I'm pretty sure that AS has not operated scheduled flights from Roberts Field, If the route you mentioned ever did operate it would have been QX on an F-28. But my family lives in Redmond, I've followed aviation there since the days of RW, who I think was the last carrier to operate mainline, with the exception of G4.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
If anyone could pull off LAX-RDM it'd probably be UA, who would simply be "connecting the dots". They wouldn't risk station start up costs

RDM-SFO/PDX flown by OO is about all UA is going to take on I think. There are quite a few ex-Californians in the Bend area, there is no real reason for AA to try and build up any presence in the NW, they code share with AS.

As was stated above the economy is in the toilet in Central Oregon, tons of foreclosed homes, a horrid meth problem and very few people with expendable income. If AA wants more presence in the NW, I'd suggest they start flying to EUG again, but not via PDX this time.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 11):
Alaska also flew 727s SEA-RDM-LAX at one time

I'm pretty sure that AS has not operated scheduled flights from Roberts Field,

No, I think he's right. I believe AS did fly mainline into RDM once awhile back. QQ flew SJC-RDM with an MD-80 for a short time too.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:57 pm

This would be a nice addition if it happens. There seems to be enough traffic to Southern California and beyond to sustain the proposed flight. Presumably AS could code share on this?
http://www.faremeasure.com/View-Airport-RDM-Roberts_Field.html

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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:51 pm

Alaska did indeed operate a 2x weekly 727 SEA-RDM-LAX and it indeed was bankrolled by Mt Bachelor and Central Oregon Recreation. It was mid 90s and it lasted a season. Reno Air also operated the route. Horizon operated the route with F28s, CRJ-700s and Q400. EUG and RDM for much of the route lives had a "tag". MFR is a shorter flight and gets just a slightly better yield, hence why it survived.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:42 pm

For the record AS/QX ended their RDM-LAX route in 2010. At one point in 2008 they were up to 2x daily.

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 9):
Glad to see this is actually coming true.

Nothing is happening yet. RDM does not have the $$$ in place.

Check out OPer actual story. Says they only have about $100,000 of the required $350,000 in funding in place.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):
There seems to be enough traffic to Southern California and beyond to sustain the proposed flight.

Remember its an extremely seasonal one however.

Also a single flight it hardly going to capture much of the market. Good chunk of people will always opt for other options due to fares, timing, airline preference, FF loyalty etc.. (eg UA via SFO, DL via SLC, QX via PDX etc..)
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:55 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):
No, I think he's right. I believe AS did fly mainline into RDM once awhile back. QQ flew SJC-RDM with an MD-80 for a short time too.

I stand corrected, I have no evidence of the AS service, but did come across a QQ route map showing RDM-SJC

http://www.departedflights.com/QQ051895.html

Quoting superdash (Reply 16):
Alaska did indeed operate a 2x weekly 727 SEA-RDM-LAX and it indeed was bankrolled by Mt Bachelor and Central Oregon Recreation. It was mid 90s and it lasted a season

I have no recollection of this service, but I am being corrected by a couple of people, so my apologies for doubting.

Quoting superdash (Reply 16):
Reno Air also operated the route

QQ has operated a SJC-RDM-SJC route on the M80 in the past. This could have been one chance for AA to make a presence for themselves on the west coast, the other being the day they acquired OC.

Quoting superdash (Reply 16):
MFR is a shorter flight and gets just a slightly better yield, hence why it survived.

MFR has a much larger catchment area as well. With MFR being on I-5 it has an easier access. Since there is a bus service that operates from Roberts Field to PDX 2x daily, many people opt to ride the bus and fly from PDX. This same bus also serves Union Station in Portland for those wishing to use Amtrak.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):

Nothing is happening yet. RDM does not have the $$$ in place.

Check out OPer actual story. Says they only have about $100,000 of the required $350,000 in funding in place.

Too bad that RDM has so much trouble attracting new carriers. Several years ago, the terminal was tripled in size and has retail and restaurant spaces to be filled. Much of this real nice facility is not being used very effectively. The expansion was approved while the economy was booming there and most expected there would be more service as the population increased in the area.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:58 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
If anyone could pull off LAX-RDM it'd probably be UA...They wouldn't risk station start up costs, they have pretty strong brand awareness/FF appeal throughout Oregon. AA is very weak in Oregon and throughout the Northwest, and with the notable exception of SAF*, it hasn't been successful with new regional services to small markets from LAX - think BOI, ROW, and the ACV service that never began because there wasn't enough money backing it. I simply see this as a waste of time and money for RDM.

For sake of discussion, a couple points. If AE were to launch this service, station start up costs would likely be fairly low. The airport is offering to cover the costs of a build-out (if needed). Agent staffing would be contract - likely to QX. And if to QX, that would (in part) cover the ATO - IT component since QX is a (non-native) SABRE user. Employ a usage factor for GSE utilization (also from QX)....you get the idea.

Largest upfront outlay would be training QX staff to AE specs, some back office accoutrements, and (hazarding a guess) travel costs for AA's PDX station mgr.

With regard to AE's small market success, I'm a bit more sanguine. BOI - though not really "small" market - I agree with, as I detailed in my previous reply.

ROW may have been strategic in the sense that AE needed a bridge alternate due to SAF having a prolonged approvals process. SAF was actually scheduled to begin in 2007. Perhaps AE sold ROW a proverbial 'biil-of-goods' in establishing that route.

ACV was a minimum revenue guarantee (MRG) arrangement with a locally sourced funding grant. The problem there was a charter conflict and governance issue that could not be resolved with enough lead going into Summer, 2012.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:42 pm

According to the Oregon Economic Development the deadline for funding the travel bank for service this summer by AA is Friday March 15th.

According to their March 7th linked story, they only had $100,000 of the needed $350,000 lined up last week. Per their website they are now up to about $227,000 as of yesterday in commitments.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:26 am

"RDM-LAX travel bank hits $350K pledge deadline"

RDM-LAX-travel-bank-hits-350K-pledge-deadline/-/413192/19339218/-/hiaoy/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.ktvz.com/news/RDM-LAX-tra...3192/19339218/-/hiaoy/-/index.html

Next step is to actually collect the amount pledged for the travel bank.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
If AA wants more presence in the NW, I'd suggest they start flying to EUG again, but not via PDX this time.

EUG has an unused 2010 SCASD grant for service to SJC via Horizon. With a two-year validity period, that grant will likely lapse.
Assuming EUG-LAX remains unserved on a nonstop basis, wouldn't surprise me if EUG files for a 2014 grant award for that route.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:56 pm

Economic development folks say they generated $374,500 in travel bank monies as incentive for a LAX link.

The decision now rest with AA if it indeed will pursue the route

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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:26 pm

According to RDM folks AA will commence the 1x daily service starting June 12.

Times as follows:

RDM-LAX 0810-1025
LAX-RDM 1850-2055

50 seat CRJ200


Now lets see how long the community money last.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:57 pm

On a somewhat related note...AA/Eagle will be starting 2x daily LAX-EUG. These are some great steps forward for AA in Oregon. Hope it works out.

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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 24):
On a somewhat related note...AA/Eagle will be starting 2x daily LAX-EUG. These are some great steps forward for AA in Oregon. Hope it works out

Now this makes sense. Glad to see AA back at Mahlon Sweet, this time CRJ's instead of 727's and M80's, but direct from a focus city instead of tagging off a PDX flight, (one to DFW and one to ORD). I wish the best to Eagle, AA has such a small presence here in the Northwest, I hope AS will code share on the service to EUG & RDM, but even the mileage agreement with AS will help AA garner some traffic for it's new routes into Oregon.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:20 pm

Despite the fact that these are relatively long flights for 50-seat RJs, given that LAX is probably at least a reasonable O&D draw for these markets (like with many/most on the west coast), and the fact that AA will have both nonstop markets entirely to themselves, and the partnership with AS that will likely put plenty of AS FFs on these planes, I think both of these routes stand at least a decent chance of success.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:58 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
AA will have both nonstop markets entirely to themselves, and the partnership with AS that will likely

Well Allegiant flies LAX-EUG nonstop.
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
Despite the fact that these are relatively long flights for 50-seat RJs, given that LAX is probably at least a reasonable O&D draw for these markets (like with many/most on the west coast), and the fact that AA will have both nonstop markets entirely to themselves, and the partnership with AS that will likely put plenty of AS FFs on these planes, I think both of these routes stand at least a decent chance of success.

I like your optimism. But given these routes were flown before by an airline with a similar trip cost airplane, better partner connections and fuel prices that were lower... My guess is when US Airways management shows up in Dallas, these routes die a quick death. They won't make it a year. Sorry  
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:39 pm

Flights to EUG have been loaded into GDS:

AA2692 LAX 11:00 EUG 13:05 CR2
AA2654 LAX 20:20 EUG 22:25 CR2

AA2699 EUG 08:15 LAX 10:30 CR2
AA2669 EUG 13:35 LAX 15:45 CR2

With this addition, AA goes from 5 daily flights to Oregon on a single route to a single destination (DFW-PDX) to 10 daily flights on 4 routes to 3 destinations (DFW-PDX, ORD-PDX, LAX-EUG and LAX-RDM).
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 29):
Flights to EUG have been loaded into GDS:

AA2692 LAX 11:00 EUG 13:05 CR2
AA2654 LAX 20:20 EUG 22:25 CR2

AA2699 EUG 08:15 LAX 10:30 CR2
AA2669 EUG 13:35 LAX 15:45 CR2

With this addition, AA goes from 5 daily flights to Oregon on a single route to a single destination (DFW-PDX) to 10 daily flights on 4 routes to 3 destinations (DFW-PDX, ORD-PDX, LAX-EUG and LAX-RDM).

I'm glad to see AA expanding my little state. Here's hoping these stick.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:01 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
Despite the fact that these are relatively long flights for 50-seat RJs,

No, not really. They may be long to you, but they aren't even near what the aircraft can do.
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 9):
Watch for ORD-PDX to be reinstated next.

Added for summer a few months ago.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Wanting To Launch LAX-RDM Flights

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:13 pm

With all the former QX flights from LAX to cities north noted above, were some of the cutbacks due to capacity issues? AS moved a lot of 737's to Hawaii and transcon routes. QX filled in some gaps while, at the same time, divested of the CRJ-700's, therefore Q400 capacity was needed elsewhere, so some routes had to go?

Hopefully RDM-LAX works; it provides a lot of connecting opportunities and the schedule noted above clearly is timed for that.