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Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:41 am

Lufthansa is ordering 102 Airbus planes including A380 and 6 Boeing 777-300 ER (for Swiss)!

70 A320 NEO
30 A320 OEO
6 B77W s
2 A380

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...anes-in-fuel-cost-cut-program.html

This was mentioned in another thread, but IMHO it merits its own thread.
 
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No surprise for anyone who was following rumours about this order. Glad to see the Mighty Triple Seven joining Swiss.
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:17 am

NEOs no surprise at all, the shorthaul fleet will remain rather boring. But I´m happy to hear that two more A380s are coming into LHs fleet. A bit sad about that rumours were true about the Swiss 77W. I had hoped LH would come around that plane though what can you do when there´s no other way currently when they need something of that size. To me the 77W is like McDonalds, bland, and to be found everywhere.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:21 am

Looks a bit like a consolation prize for Boeing to keep pricing for future RFPs competitive (note: lighthearted remark)
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:25 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Glad to see the Mighty Triple Seven joining Swiss.

Yes, a pleasant surprise to see LH select the 777-300ER for LX. This is fantastic news, and I must admit I didn't expect that to happen at all.

Congrats to Boeing, LH and LX for securing this order. It'd be great to see a 777-300ER in LX livery.
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:25 am

The article mentions A320neo and A321neo. I wonder if we'll be seeing A321ceo with sharklets? As of now, the two remaining planned A321ceo deliveries are planned without sharklets.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Glad to see the Mighty Triple Seven joining Swiss.

Good to see it at LH Group at all. A sign for me that the 77Es of OS are not on the way out and that the 777-8 and -9 could be part of LHs fleet plan for the entire group.
 
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
No surprise for anyone who was following rumours about this order. Glad to see the Mighty Triple Seven joining Swiss.


Well, some expected part of the order woul have been for the MAX as well. There were also discussions about the C-Series. I think we will see an additional order for the C-Series later, maybe soon after first flight.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:31 am

Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):
I wonder if we'll be seeing A321ceo with sharklets?

That's possible, a few days ago Airbus said to deliver all A320 aircraft in 2014 with sharklets.
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:32 am

Is it clear where all those 320's & NEO's will be placed?
Are they all for LH, or can we expect them to be split up amongst OS,LX,SN and LH?
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 am

Quoting na (Reply 2):
NEOs no surprise at all, the shorthaul fleet will remain rather boring. But I´m happy to hear that two more A380s are coming into LHs fleet.

Me too! More 4-holers is always good. And more A380's is also very good.  .

Quoting na (Reply 2):
A bit sad about that rumours were true about the Swiss 77W.

Not really. It is phenominal airplane and currently has no competition. It is a logical choice for LX.

Quoting CARST (Reply 6):
A sign for me that the 77Es of OS are not on the way out and that the 777-8 and -9 could be part of LHs fleet plan for the entire group.

They could be. But with the B748i's they still have coming to the fleet, the B777-9X could be far away since LH flies their planes for a long time. And keep them in pristine condition.

For the long range order in the autumn I am expecting mostly A350's to be ordered.  .
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:40 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):

Not really. It is phenominal airplane and currently has no competition. It is a logical choice for LX.

Hopefully they will follow the SQ route and not go the EK way with 10-abreast.

Beside this I was a bit surprised about the CEO order, I expected NEO only. Any thoughts?
 
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Looks like I'll be eating crow for a while. Was certain LH Group wouldn't be ordering the 77W, but then again they already have - in the shape of the 77F.

This order puts Boeing in a more comfortable position when it comes to pitching the 777X against the A350 at LH Group.
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):
They could be. But with the B748i's they still have coming to the fleet, the B777-9X could be far away since LH flies their planes for a long time. And keep them in pristine condition.

I see 777-9s at LX, OS and SN. And the 777-8 at LH to replace the A340s. 787-10s to replace the A333 fleet. Just one of many possibilities.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:47 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 6):
Good to see it at LH Group at all. A sign for me that the 77Es of OS are not on the way out and that the 777-8 and -9 could be part of LHs fleet plan for the entire group.

Perhaps the 777-8 to replace the A346 in the mid-2020s, but the -9 isnt needed, to small the distance to the 748I which will be here well into the 2030s, and too big the distance for whatever replaces the A333/343s.
I anyway think the chance for the A350-1000 is greater, as LH doesnt need the xtras the 777-9 could perhaps offer, and its unineviatbly higher price tag, while gladly paying the lower fuel bills the Airbus will ask for.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 10):
Not really. It is phenominal airplane and currently has no competition. It is a logical choice for LX.

I second the last two points, the first only when closing my eyes . I only hope the 77Ws are leased, so can be handed back in 10 years to be replaced by one of the two types then available. Otherwise in the early 2020s Swiss will be left with old metal.
 
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Don't want to spoil the party, but nothing is mentioned of an order in their press release as of today:
http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre...ve/2013/march/14/article/2388.html
 
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Quoting na (Reply 15):
but the -9 isnt needed, to small the distance to the 748I which will be here well into the 2030s

No one ever said anything about the 777-9X going to LH. CARST's post clearly refers to LH fleet plan for the entire group. The 777-9X could find its way into the LX or OS fleets.

Quoting na (Reply 15):
Otherwise in the early 2020s Swiss will be left with old metal.

 

Hardly, these aircraft, if they are to be delivered by 2016, will only be four years young.
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Glad to see the Mighty Triple Seven joining Swiss.

Completly disagree, it's a disaster for commonality with such a small number, and as passenger i don't welcome it.

I would rather prefer to fly a LX 747 anyday over a 777.
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Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):
I would rather prefer to fly a LX 747 anyday over a 777.

I am sure most LX passengers would agree, but it seems its just one step too big.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
No one ever said anything about the 777-9X going to LH. CARST's post clearly refers to LH fleet plan for the entire group. The 777-9X could find its way into the LX or OS fleets.

OS very unlikely. Much too big.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Hardly, these aircraft, if they are to be delivered by 2016, will only be four years young.

I am not talking about age, I am talking about technology, that by the early 2020s there will be two successors with considerably better economics. By 2022 a 2016-built 77W will be like what a 744 is now.
 
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Hardly, these aircraft, if they are to be delivered by 2016, will only be four years young.

What he meant to say is that at this time the 77W will be one generation back behind the NextGen aircraft like 787, 777X and A350. While that is true, it is not important, the 77W will make LX loads of money even with NextGen aircraft coming online at other airlines.

If you would follow that logic the A330 shouldn't have got one order after the launch of the 787 (all problems aside). But it still got a lot of orders because of slot restraints and small, continual improvements making it a fine aircraft for a lot of missions where the range or lift of the 787 and/or 77W is not needed, despite it being an older generation aircraft compared to both.
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Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):
Completly disagree, it's a disaster for commonality with such a small number

You can bet that the A343s will leave the fleet when the 77Ws come online. I don't expect both types to operate side-by-side for too long. I know they have more 343s than 77Ws ordered, but LH could top-up either A333 orders or 77W orders any time.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:49 am

Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):
I would rather prefer to fly a LX 747 anyday over a 777.

The little problem is a fuel burn difference per pax of 20%, do you want to pay more to fly 747?
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:51 am

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):
I see 777-9s at LX, OS and SN. And the 777-8 at LH to replace the A340s. 787-10s to replace the A333 fleet. Just one of many possibilities.

Lufthansa says the 787 is too small.

"The carrier is looking at the Airbus A350-900/1000, more Boeing 747-8s and the 777X, company sources say. The 787 is not under consideration as it is too small for Lufthansa’s requirements.".

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_03_14_2013_p0-559023.xml
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:52 am

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 11):
Beside this I was a bit surprised about the CEO order, I expected NEO only. Any thoughts?

Aircraft availability? Backlog for the neo is quite extensive whilst there are still some slots left for ceo - well, maybe not now.

I know LH are phasing out their 737s by 2016, so if they wanted replacements for them, ceo the only option really. That, or they want quicker expansion of one of the subsidiaries.
 
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I think we can assume the 70 neo's will have the GTF hanging under it's wings??
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):
Completly disagree, it's a disaster for commonality with such a small number, and as passenger i don't welcome it.

I'm with you on that!
But the small number tells another story too.
For me it's just an interim solution till the A350 is ready, also maybe to get some pressure on Airbus to get cracking with the production (or should I say building, licensing etc.)
I mean, they want to replace 14 A340 with 6 77W? And add new routes?

On the other hand, I can't figure out who came up with that idea! In the same time period, the C Series will be phased into the fleet and to that they have to do all the type ratings for the 777 AND every year some 40 pilots should be trained onto the A320 ?? How can this work?

One thing is for sure, it's a hell of a lot to do for the Swiss Aviation Training, maybe a bit too much, but I mean the HQ is either 200km or 200m away (Basel or Rosengartenstreet), probably to far away to see the problems they will face...
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When will the 77Ws be delivered to LX?
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Quoting LY777 (Reply 27):
When will the 77Ws be delivered to LX?

From 2016 onwards
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Quoting robffm2 (Reply 16):
Don't want to spoil the party, but nothing is mentioned of an order in their press release as of today:
http://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/pre....html

Here is the Airbus press release:

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...s-go-ahead-for-major-airbus-order/

And a LH A320neo rendering too:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1363255537_A321neo_PW_DLH.jpg
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Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):
I wonder if we'll be seeing A321ceo with sharklets?

Now confirmed by Airbus:

"The Lufthansa’s Supervisory Board has approved the acquisition of 100 A320 Family aircraft (35 A320neo, 35 A321neo and 30 A320ceo with Sharklets) and two A380s worth approximately US$ 11.2 billion at list prices. The engine choices will be announced by the airline at a later date."

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...s-go-ahead-for-major-airbus-order/
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Quoting LXLucien (Reply 25):
I mean, they want to replace 14 A340 with 6 77W? And add new routes?

Exactly. It wouldn't shock me if they're leased too, rather than bought.
6 77W's that are about to become obsolete soon, mixed in a fleet with A340's and A330's makes absolutely no sense at all unless they are desperate for a short term solution. That's not to saw that they won't chose the next gen 777.

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
If you would follow that logic the A330 shouldn't have got one order after the launch of the 787

It sort of has. The A332 hasn't really sold many frames since the 788/A358 were launched. The A333 is still selling because AB actually improved the airplane significantly, and like hte 777W there is nothing better available in that size if you want it right now.
 
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Interesting - I didn't expect the 77W at all, despite the rumours. Interesting also that the A319NEO isn't part of the order. LH-operated CSeries seem a distinct possibility now.
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So what is LH itself going to do with the 350-seat range after the 346s? Does the LX order for 77Ws have any bearing on that, or is LH going to fly those for a while and then go with the next-gen offering (either 35J or 77NG)?
 
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When will we see the Boeing Rendering for the Swiis 777-300ER ?

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But is the B777 fleet commonality such a big problem? For Swiss it might be but for Lufthansa Group it shouldn't be as Austrian currently operates 4, with 2 more set to join the fleet (B777-200s though). In addition to that, Lufthansa Cargo placed an order for 5 of these aircraft.
All in all there will be 17 B777 aircraft within the Lufthansa Group. I am sure if there is a need they could move them around (as they have done until now).
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:15 pm

Will be surprising to see those 77W with the red-white colors.  
Will they be in 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 configuration ?

Switzerland being a premium market, and Zürich in particular (no chance now for GVA), I would rather bet on a 3-3-3...
 
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 24):

I think we can assume the 70 neo's will have the GTF hanging under it's wings??

As per the Airbus press release, the engine choice will be announced at a later date - although yes, the last batch of NEOs that LH ordered is going to be equipped with GTFs.
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Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):
as passenger i don't welcome it.

Passengers don't make aircraft purchasing decisions. The airline does.

Quoting na (Reply 19):
By 2022 a 2016-built 77W will be like what a 744 is now.

Strongly disagree. A 6 year old 777-300ER in 2022 is still going to be a damn sight better, even relatively, than the 747-400 is now. The 777-300ER not only burns less fuel per trip than the 747-400, it also has better payload range than the 747-400. The A350-1000 as proposed matches the 777-300ER for payload range up until 7000nm before finally beating it beyond that range; it's main advantage over the 777-300ER is fuel burn per trip and per seat.

Because of that, the 777-300ER in 2022 is going to be a damn sight better than the 747-400 is now. Payload range is one of the most, if not the most important factors in an airline's purchasing decision, because how much it can carry over a certain distance has a direct correlation with how much money it can make an airline. Fuel burn is secondary to that.

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
If you would follow that logic the A330 shouldn't have got one order after the launch of the 787

Precisely. The introduction of the A350-1000 will not make the 777-300ER obsolete. The fact that the 777X will enter service after the A350-1000 wouldn't hurt Boeing any more than the A350 entering into service after the 787 has hurt Airbus.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 21):
do you want to pay more to fly 747?

I think a more prudent question would be whether airlines would want to pay more to operate the 747 instead of the 777. As a.netters, choosing a flight based on aircraft type rather than price is not beyond us  
Quoting LXLucien (Reply 25):
For me it's just an interim solution till the A350 is ready

It would be a very expensive "interim solution" ...
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
more Boeing 747-8s and the 777X

I dont get the picture here, where is the sense in puting 748 and 777x side by side, and because of that I dont see 777x in LH colors, OS doesnt need that kind of capacity nor does SN, eventualy LX in 15 years time, maybe for replacing these 77W or for boosting capacaty
 
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I would guess that LH got a very good price for the 777, considierng the problems with the 747-8 and how this was handled between Boeing and LH.

I hope it is a sign that LH might be the launch customer for the 777NG.
 
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Quoting ferpe (Reply 21):
The little problem is a fuel burn difference per pax of 20%, do you want to pay more to fly 747?

They could use A340-600 instead (as does LH)which are much more comfortable then the 777 and the fuel burn difference wouldn't be that big.

Also i would be willing to pay more in the long haul which is traditionally ridiculously cheap compared to short haul of LX.
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Quoting autothrust (Reply 41):
They could use A340-600 instead (as does LH)which are much more comfortable then the 777 and the fuel burn difference wouldn't be that big.



Also I would be willing to pay more in the long haul which is traditionally ridiculously cheap compared to short haul of LX.



Swiss stated they did not want the A340-600, so we all knew something was coming. I'm just surprised they wait until 2016 to start up the 777. Almost 3 years from now...a lot can change it that time.

There is nothing ridiculously cheap about LX, including their eco long haul pricing.

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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 38):
It would be a very expensive "interim solution" ...

Just to play Devil's Advocate, maybe not if the financial terms were right and they could get "gen 1.5" 35J's in the mid- to late-2020's, depending on when those models come out. I would think the timing would be perfect for that play, if they were thinking along those lines.
 
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Quoting autothrust (Reply 18):

Sounds like a case of sour grapes if you ask me.

It will be a great plane for them, as it has proven to be for every single other airline that has it in their fleet....

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Quoting na (Reply 19):
I am sure most LX passengers would agree, but it seems its just one step too big.

Most passengers don't actually care, that's the commercial reality. They are concerned about the hard product in the aircraft, the service and the lounges, not the platform itself.
Swiss took the A343 quite late in the day and now are discovering the B77W a decade into service. Quite Conservative but given what happened with Swissair, slow and steady sees you fight to live another day.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 41):
They could use A340-600 instead (as does LH)which are much more comfortable then the 777 and the fuel burn difference wouldn't be that big.

In what sense can one steel tube be said to be "much more confortable" against another steel tube from a comparable carrier. Again it's not a complaint from non enthusiasts in the main.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:51 pm

Interesting that they have added further to the A380 fleet but not to the 747-8 fleet.

The 747-8 had a frame cancelled in december, so having operated both types for a while now, LH have how added 4 x A380 frames (2 in 2011 and 2 in 2013) and removed 1 x 747-8 frame (2012).

sign of things to come?
 
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LH Buys 100 A320, 2 A380, 6 77W Part 1

Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:54 pm

To me the 77W is like McDonalds, bland, and to be found everywhere.
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Seriously? 77W is one of the efficient aircrafts out there. It's wonderful performance and good comfort makes it very fantastic aircraft, having sat on 77W good number of times now.

I would love to see 77W in LX livery..will be smashing. EK have utilized cabin space very nicely, 10 abreast or 11 honestly doesn't make much difference. Cabin looks more crowded and small aisle that's the main difference I have noticed so far (speaking from my experience as I have sat on BA/EK/AI 777 so far).

LH needed domestic revamping actually, some of their 737 getting too old now. Good to see more sale of A380 too.

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LH Buys 100 A320, 2 A380, 6 77W Part 1

Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:54 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
Lufthansa says the 787 is too small.

Which is interesting, since the 787-9 is the same size as than their A330-300s / A340-300s and the 787-10 is sized between the A350-900 and A350-1000.

I wonder if LH has decided that they'd rather have their entire widebody fleet be long-range models and accept the performance penalty on shorter missions for the flexibility to use the plane on any mission. I also wonder if they're worried about EK's smallest plane being the A350-900 and they therefore want to be able to match capacity against them.

LH was one of the few airlines that wanted a larger and longer-legged 747. Could they be one of the few airlines that wants the 777-8 because it has high capacity and great range?



Quoting vegas005 (Reply 44):
I'm just surprised they wait until 2016 to start up the 777.

That might be the first slot availability.



Quoting Richard28 (Reply 48):
sign of things to come?

LH agreed to cancel one early-build 747-8 airframe to allow Boeing to use it to complete the testing for the FMC and the tail-fuel-tank fix.

LH still has 20 options for the 747-8 and have stated they're pleased with how it's working for them. As such, I expect them to convert most or all of those options down the road.

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