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Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:23 pm

Part 102 can be found here: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 102 (by LAXDESI Dec 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Some interesting Air India on time numbers can be found here: http://www.pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=87352

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The Minister of State for Civil Aviation Shri K.C. Venugopal informed Rajya Sabha today that Air India and Air India Express have achieved schedule integrity of 99.58 per cent and 99.18 per cent respectively. In addition, Air India and Air India Express have also achieved On Time Performance (OTP) of more than 76.10 per cent and 91 per cent respectively during the Winter Schedule. This was a result of several steps being taken such as close monitoring, optimization of schedules, frequent feedback, making contingency arrangements etc. which were initiated during the winter Schedule These came into effect from 28th October, 2012.

The Minister also informed the Rajya Sabha that no flights of Air India and Air India Express from Kerala to Middle East were cancelled during the year 2013 upto 10th March 2013. However there have been some instances of delays due to various reasons. In case of delays or cancellations passengers are informed in advance and those passengers reaching the airport are attended as per the prescribed norms.

75% OTP during winter (fog season) and less than 0.5% cancellation is indeed a good sign for AI's continued operational restructuring.

In addition, ICAO has published a pretty damning report of DGCA: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/nAD...-air-safety-concerns-in-India.html

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The United Nations (UN) aviation watchdog has expressed grave concerns on India’s air safety, placing it among the 13 worst-performing nations on this count, according to excerpts of an audit report.

...

The organization has clubbed India with Angola, Congo, Djibouti, Eritrea, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Lesotho, Malawi, and Sao Tome and Principe.
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Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:39 pm

The ICAO report excerpt is shocking and disturbing. As is the DGCA's casual response to it.

"The organization has clubbed India with Angola, Congo, Djibouti, Eritrea, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Lesotho, Malawi, and Sao Tome and Principe.

A DGCA spokesman dismissed the concerns as “procedural issues”."

Incidentally Bangladesh was on this list too, but managed to get out of it last year. Yet another area where they have moved ahead of us. The report specifically notes "None of India’s neighbours—Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives—has been red-flagged".
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:42 pm

On the AI OPT stats: Don't know why, but I remain skeptical. My last trip through Delhi in late January this year on a bright and sunny day, I actually took a photo of the Departures board. Half the AI flights were delayed, and a couple cancelled. None of the other airlines showed any problems. But this kind of actual observation always seems to be explained away as a one-off, and never seems to show up in the stats!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 2):
On the AI OPT stats: Don't know why, but I remain skeptical. My last trip through Delhi in late January this year on a bright and sunny day, I actually took a photo of the Departures board. Half the AI flights were delayed, and a couple cancelled. None of the other airlines showed any problems. But this kind of actual observation always seems to be explained away as a one-off, and never seems to show up in the stats!

The data is for 2012. AI's reliability fell off a cliff since mid-December, and is only starting to recover.

SG has also been doing terribly lately...

Quoting sankaps (Reply 1):
The ICAO report excerpt is shocking and disturbing. As is the DGCA's casual response to it.

Yes, the DGCA response is very concerning as well.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 2):

Hmm, interesting. I observed a similar pattern when I was travelling in Dec/Jan while at Bom. Perhaps the phosphors on the monitors have been permanently burnt in to show "late" due to its past record, lol.
Ps. I for one do not trust any AI stats. This POS airline and the government policies that have been established to "protect" it have been the main cause of the calamity facing the Indian aviation sector today.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting goacom (Reply 4):
Ps. I for one do not trust any AI stats. This POS airline and the government policies that have been established to "protect" it have been the main cause of the calamity facing the Indian aviation sector today.

I completely agree! I don't trust too many stats from the GOI in any case, lots of cooking of data in general, a real disconnect from the on-the-ground reality.
 
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Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting goacom (Reply 4):
Ps. I for one do not trust any AI stats. This POS airline and the government policies that have been established to "protect" it have been the main cause of the calamity facing the Indian aviation sector today.

After the KFA reliability debacle, the government has started using airport data to establish OTP, to avoid data fudging.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:17 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 6):
After the KFA reliability debacle, the government has started using airport data to establish OTP, to avoid data fudging.

That's good. When did that start though?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 7):
That's good. When did that start though?

Around a year ago? I don't remember exactly...
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:08 am

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/TQO...ament-on-UN-air-safety-report.html

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Aviation ministry misled Parliament on air safety report: council

The aviation ministry misled the Indian Parliament about a safety audit draft report by a United Nations watchdog, a member of the Civil Aviation Safety Advisory Council (CASAC) said in a letter to aviation minister Ajit Singh and aviation secretary K.N. Srivastava.
This is a very serious allegation. I wonder who will be made to fall on the grenade this time so that top bosses can   .
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:47 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 1):
The ICAO report excerpt is shocking and disturbing

Most Issues seem to be manpower related and regulationwise......
DGCA needs to follow an EASA position in terms of regulatory work.......
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:07 am

There is currently a rumour here at AMS tha 9W is thinking about a second daily BOM/DEL - YYZ flight via AMS (next to the flight via BRU). Is this a credible rumour? It sounds so strange..
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:15 pm

I doubt. They just went from A330-200 to A330-300 on that route. Is demand that high on that route....?

http://www.jetairways.com/EN/US/Pres...rbus330-300DelhiTorontoSector.aspx

Last week there was a story in the Indian press about the "possibility" of the EY deal falling through. So unless 9W is cozying up to KLM as a codeshare partner and thinking of starting AMS.....
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:01 am

While landing at SAW (Istanbul sabiha Gokcen), i saw an Air India Cargo A310 freighter. It seemed like parked there or ages.. whats the story, does AI fly freighters to SAW or is that one just parked there
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 14):

While landing at SAW (Istanbul sabiha Gokcen), i saw an Air India Cargo A310 freighter. It seemed like parked there or ages.. whats the story, does AI fly freighters to SAW or is that one just parked there

AI Cargo Freighters both types the A310F & B732F were retired quite a few yrs ago.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:04 am

China Airlines Cargo have ended MAA service and Mihin Lanka are suspending DEL from mid April.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:46 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 14):

This is the case

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Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
according to a post in Indian aviation thread theres an Air India A310Fapparently in AI livery, stored at SAW, who does it belong to now any idea?

There was also a passenger A310. They are being parted out by MyTechnic.

Here is a photo by someone - you can see the freighter (N430AL) in the background
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws...6852606711e2a5b622000a9f1254_7.jpg

Here is the passenger one (N428AL) before the chop job
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?i...seq=0
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:04 pm

Which airline/s will the IPL be flying on?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:42 pm

What is going on in India? I mean everything is stand still. Is 9W cannot make up its mind to go to bed with EY or Star?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:22 pm

Quoting airdfw (Reply 19):
Is 9W cannot make up its mind to go to bed with EY or Star?

I think you have to be more patience. It's more likely that they're still in negociations and these things take time. AFAIk ther was a news article a few days ago which implied that they're going to create a special company which will hold a majority of the 9W shares. EY would get a majority share in this new comapny However, they need the approval from the Indian government to set up the new company (and this is rumoured to take a few extra weeks/months). If this is correct you won't hear from a possible EY-9W tie up anytime soon. Finally, I think it's more up to EY to decide if they want to invest in 9W rather than 9W making up its mind.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:27 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 20):
Finally, I think it's more up to EY to decide if they want to invest in 9W rather than 9W making up its mind.

Agree partially - it's also up to 9W to make the investment worthwhile for both parties (instead of only for themselves). I suspect a large part of the current hold up is to do with 9W "wanting the money for free".
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:46 am

PP cannot do anything for 9W now and EY is not an Indian airline. 9W will have to to play 'What the Market values them as.'
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:38 am

Quoting brahmin (Reply 18):
Which airline/s will the IPL be flying on?

Must be Spicejet (not sure) due to the Kingfisher fiasco and the entry of Sun group. Sun group owns Spicejet and the new IPL team Hyderabad Sunrisers
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:56 am

If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):

Air China Cargo too have stopped MAA service.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:14 am

Whats the status on Air Asia India.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:37 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 26):
Whats the status on Air Asia India.

I heard they're starting to recruit. Btw, strangely enough, a pilot friend (currently unemployed) got a call from Paramount asking if he'd be interested in joining them. Anyone heard anything about a potential restart of ops?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 27):
Anyone heard anything about a potential restart of ops?

They won a hefty lawsuit which awarded them around 1400 crore INR against GECAS UK, so they maybe looking at re starting



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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:02 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 26):
Air Asia India.

Is that what the new airline is going to be called? Or will there be some other name?

Also, anyone have details on when they are starting ops, what fleet they will operate and where they will be based...? Sorry if this has been discussed before (I'm sure it has).....
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
They won a hefty lawsuit which awarded them around 1400 crore INR against GECAS UK, so they maybe looking at re starting

Do you have a source or link for that?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:47 pm

Heard that TK wont be flying to other indian cities due to no India based airlines showing interest in launching flights to IST, anyone else know more?
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:52 pm

TK basically caters to Indians traveling on to N America. Indian carriers would have a tough time filling planes for people visiting Turkey or Turks visiting India.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 29):
Is that what the new airline is going to be called? Or will there be some other name?

Also, anyone have details on when they are starting ops, what fleet they will operate and where they will be based...? Sorry if this has been discussed before (I'm sure it has).....

It will be called Air Asia India and will be based in MAA. The plan is to fly to tier II cities and no flights to either BOM or DEL.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:33 am

I am really surprised as to why one of the most happening threads on A.net just a few months ago is now so sparse? Any ideas why? how to revive this thread?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:56 am

Air India should ask for compensation for the 787 fiasco again. That will get a lot of people going. Just saying.  

Seriously though everythings gone quiet. Seems to be no movement on KFA, Air Asia, Jetihad........   
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:11 am

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 34):

part 98 I think went on for months before it reached 200 posts.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:42 am

Revision of bilaterals with DXB, 380 approvals should set the ball rolling..... However, with Union election in less than a year, the government will not bother about aviation (not something that affects the masses) till the new govt is in place with a new MoCA.

Just out of curiosity, what are your opinions on who should be MoCA's candidate from UPA or NDA (whoever comes to power)?

UPA: Sachin Pilot (Namesake :P)
NDA: Rajiv Rudy (Active pilot, past experience, industry knowledge)
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:01 am

I personally feel if BJD comes in the coalition, Jay Panda may have a very good chance.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 27):
call from Paramount asking if he'd be interested in joining them. Anyone heard anything about a potential restart of ops?

Heard they were thinking of restarting with A320s

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 34):
how to revive this thread?

Just get folks to start posting.....
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:49 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 39):
Heard they were thinking of restarting with A320s

My friend said the HR person mentioned something about ATRs. Secondhand info, yes, but interesting I thought.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:46 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 41):
http://www.business-standard.com/art...-lawsuit-money-112122400122_1.html

Karan

Thanks. Seems a very high number (Rs 1,650 cr) for a lease dispute over a defective engine. I am skeptical of theaccuracy of this report.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:13 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 37):
UPA: Sachin Pilot (Namesake :P)

MoCA will likely go to a non-Congress partner which is not called the NCP

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 37):
NDA: Rajiv Rudy (Active pilot, past experience, industry knowledge)

My sympathies lie with them, but let them win first.

Quoting VTORD (Reply 35):
Seriously though everythings gone quiet. Seems to be no movement on KFA, Air Asia, Jetihad........

AirAsia's and Tony's Twitter feeds have the Cockpit and Cabin crew hiring info. KFA Lenders have grown balls, Mallya and his spawn are nowhere to be seen at IPL matches and even the one F1 race he attended well his cars went out (karma?) the spawn who wanted to be a Bollywood star (got this from my friend Jamal who interviewed him for MH India) is shit scared of coming back to India ever since the Zohal Hamid incident.
As for Jetihad - well... I don't see anything until the second quarter of the FY
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:17 pm

Mr. Ajit Singh, Civil Aviation Minister:

"We also have a national civil aircraft development program for 100-seat medium transport aircraft. Some of the country’s leading aeronautics and space scientists are spearheading the project and I hope this takes shape”, he added.

Dr. R.K. Tyagi, Chairman, HAL said the Company has been focusing on military aviation but now plans to diversify into civil market.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-to-develop-100_seat-airliner.html

Good idea or not?
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting art (Reply 44):
Dr. R.K. Tyagi, Chairman, HAL said the Company has been focusing on military aviation but now plans to diversify into civil market.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-to-develop-100_seat-airliner.html

Good idea or not?

Someone remind them just how frikkin' long HAL (the lead contractor) has spent on developing the Light Combat Aircraft. Instead of doing these projects, the government should encourage more research in our top technical and engineering colleces in aeronautics and then get private partners to develop aircraft. I believe Mahindra Aerospace is doing a good job here, even if they started by buying an Aussie company.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:44 am

Why no cargo operators lining up as yet post FDI?.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:09 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 43):
Mallya and his spawn are nowhere to be seen at IPL matches

Unfortunately that is not the case. A grinning VJM was in full view awarding Chris Gayle a giant Rs 1 lakh Man of the Match check last week after one of the games. While his KFA staff are still unpaid for 8-10 months. Shameless man.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 45):
Instead of doing these projects, the government should encourage more research in our top technical and engineering colleces in aeronautics

A bit OT, but the government should encourage its best minds to focus on providing the basics of sanitation, healthcare, education, water, power, roads, etc to the people before getting into civil airliner and space programs.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:39 pm

How much traffic does the IPL generate for the Indian carriers? With ten teams there is a minimum of eighty away games and more. I am not too familiar with the series format.

Around 35 people traveling per team times 80 is 2,800.

Does not seem much at all.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103

Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 25):

Hong Kong airlines Cargo have also ended MAA and DEL too.

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