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Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:52 pm

See the Following Article.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ryanai...boeing-787-problems-171531994.html

MOL is 1000000000000% correct. The reason why. The DOT/FAA and any Government doesn't have .000000001% of the engineering smarts that Airbus or Boeing have for ten minutes on any Sunday at 2am. If these guys could design anything then they wouldn't be working for the DOT.

The GOV is nothing but another set of Grifters.

Right to you MOL!
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:04 pm

I always get the various airlines with Ryan in them confused so forgive me if I'm mistaken but, isn't Ryannair the super economy airline where they want or have made passengers pony up change to use the lav? If this is correct, it would be amazing that they are flying the Dreamliner. It's akin to my purchasing a 2013 Porsche 911 brand new. My apologies in advance if I'm off topic.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:15 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 1):
it would be amazing that they are flying the Dreamliner

RyanAir is not flying the Dreamliner and likely never will. They only fly 737-800s. This is just another verbal bomb tossed out by MOL.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:18 pm

So I guess they got a really good price for those 737-800.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
Right to you MOL!

Lucky for the rest of the flying public not many people agree with you or MOL. I have absolutely no problem with the regulators erroring on the side of caution.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:21 pm

The usual BS from MOL.

It would be interesting to see what his approach to certicating aircraft would be.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:26 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):

Most likely he would say "if it takes off and lands once, then it's perfectly fine".
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:31 pm

I can't believe people still fall for this clown's trick.

If he says something outrageous, he and Ryanair are talked about, get lots of news coverage and - by extension - free advertising.

Michael O'Leary talks out his @$$, and if challenged, will admit to that. But it's all about the publicity.

If people stop taking him seriously and start ignoring him, he'll stop spouting such bollocks.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:35 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 3):
So I guess they got a really good price for those 737-800.

Yep you got it 100% right . You scratch my back I will scratch yours. Its so obvious its nauseating.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
Lucky for the rest of the flying public not many people agree with you or MOL. I have absolutely no problem with the regulators erroring on the side of caution.

I do not trust politics over engineering. But I suppose we could follow your lead and turn over everything to those Engineers at TSA and the FAA to run the country and everything we do every day, afterall they are the most intelligent and highest educated individuals in the nation.
Why would anyone work for Boeing or Airbus when they could work for the Government? B and A obviously only get third and fourth rate engineers, all the good ones obviously work for the DOT. Look the secretary of transport, LaHood is a highly educated mathematician who publicly stated planes shouldn't be in the air that are not 1000% safe. Knowing that we all go back to trains, that are also 1000% safe and cars which are far safer!

I like that perspective that the real smart ones don't work for the designers and manufacturers, but instead they are the politicians.

I presume you similarly believe the NRA is "Only" interested in your rights and has no interest in making money selling guns and ammunition? Its the same argument.

Nothing is what it appears. The FAA and DOT isn't qualified.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:48 pm

Considering that Ryanair is highly unlikely to ever fly the 787 (Even if they ever do start their rumored Transatlantic airline.), just noise from Mr. O'Leary. He seems to love the sound of his own voice and seeing his name in the papers.

The 787 problems are pretty serious stuff and the fact that the FAA and their equivalent in multiple countries grounded the type is hardly "regulatory crap". Passenger safety is the responsibility of not only the airlines but also the regulatory bodies in various countries and even the manufacturer of an a/c. Boeing is just lucky that there weren't any fatal incidents as the result of these issues.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:50 pm

From MOL's perspective, the regulators prevent a lot of envelope-pushing in favor of chasing extra 999s after the decimal place in aviation safety numbers. Not surprising "regulatory crap" is something he'd say.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 12):
From MOL's perspective, the regulators prevent a lot of envelope-pushing in favor of chasing extra 999s after the decimal place in aviation safety numbers.

The man's an idiot. He's one of the main benefactors of the regulator's vigilance over the years. No one would insure his planes never mind fly on them if it weren't for their work over the years, much which was done with cheapskate idiots like him complaining only about the costs.

It's par for the course for him. He scoops the creme off the milk, then complains it's not thick enough for his liking.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:47 pm

It makes you wonder what else does MOL consider "regulatory crap," to be dispensed with at the first opportunity... Not the best attitude for the CEO of an airline.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:02 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
It makes you wonder what else does MOL consider "regulatory crap," to be dispensed with at the first opportunity... Not the best attitude for the CEO of an airline.

See my earlier comment. Anything O'Leary says needs to be taken with a truckload of salt, and the less attention we pay him, the better off we will all be.

The man is a Class-A [censored], but an annoyingly successful one.

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Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:05 pm

No wonder he's pissed off at the regulators, they wouldn't let him fit in 539 people in his "standing room only" 737s, they said no to his idea to allow people to store their children in the overhead luggage compartments and they said no to his idea to get rid of pilots and "let the stupid passengers fly the **ecking plane themselves".
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:23 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 1):

Yes, that is Ryanair who only fly 737-800's currently. However, he did say that if Boeing could offer him some "cheap" 787's, he would have no issue flying them as they are today.

To a degree I agree with him.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:39 pm

MOL says regulatory crap on the 787 issues, baker says airbus WILL cancel its 350-800. These two are twins?
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):

MOL's opinions are starting to make more sense than your posts, and THAT is scary.


Why bring the TSA into this? They have nothing to do with the safety and engineering of aircraft. BTW, the DOT has more to worry about than just airliners.....they are also responsible for railroads, highways and vehicles and so forth and in any government agency, the head of that agency is more or less an administrator.....they don't have to be an expert in that field.


BTW, the surgeon general of the U.S. is usually a medical doctor, so that theory of yours is wrong.

I'm not a government apologist, but your portrayal of some of these gov't workers is very wrong........most of the people that work, doing investigations for the NTSB are very, very good at what they do.


Using your logic (such as it is) then MOL should be the best pilot that he has, but he's not a pilot at all, is he? He's basically an administrator, which is the same as any other airline CEO that you can think of.

Not everyone can be a designer nor an engineer, can they?



And, on a final note......why bring the NRA into this? It has absolutely nothing to do with this subject.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
Lucky for the rest of the flying public not many people agree with you or MOL. I have absolutely no problem with the regulators erroring on the side of caution.

This CEO is speaking out of the lavs he wanted to charge his flyers to use. He doesn't know squat about the reasons why the 787 was grounded and in all seriousness has no right to say anything about it since his airline has one of the lowest customer service records on the planet
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:45 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
This CEO is speaking out of the lavs he wanted to charge his flyers to use. He doesn't know squat about the reasons why the 787 was grounded and in all seriousness has no right to say anything about it since his airline has one of the lowest customer service records on the planet

Obviously, O'Leary has been out of the spotlight for awhile and he doesn't like that. Even if the subject has nothing to do with him, he'll stick his nose into it because it's newsworth (why, I don't know) and he'll get some free publicity out of it.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 21):
Obviously, O'Leary has been out of the spotlight for awhile and he doesn't like that. Even if the subject has nothing to do with him, he'll stick his nose into it because it's newsworth (why, I don't know) and he'll get some free publicity out of it.

Is this just his personality or what is it? I don't know enough about FR or O'Leary except from what I read here and in newspapers. Japanese media don't like him much either apparently.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 16):
his idea to allow people to store their children in the overhead luggage compartments

Now, if he suggested carrying children in the cargo hold...
 
Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
If these guys could design anything then they wouldn't be working for the DOT.

I have a good friend who is an engineer for the FAA. He went to work for them after his position was eliminated by Grumman, where he worked on inconsequential programs like the F-14 and E-2.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
MOL is 1000000000000% correct. The reason why. The DOT/FAA and any Government doesn't have .000000001% of the engineering smarts that Airbus or Boeing have for ten minutes on any Sunday at 2am. If these guys could design anything then they wouldn't be working for the DOT.

The GOV is nothing but another set of Grifters.

Right to you MOL!

Well, considering that two of B's 787's had battery related fires, clearly Boeing isn't 1000000% there yet, or even 100% there yet. As a passenger, I'd err on the side of caution and not get on one of those until the problem has been fixed. There's nothing wrong with making certain it's not an issue going forward.


From the article:

O'Leary said, "Look at the economics of the 737, the 800 [series] has 189 seats. The [Airbus] A320 has 180 seats. And those nine extra seats when you're flying them eight times a day, 365 days a year are a compelling competitive advantage for Boeing."

Kind of points to the feeling that Airbus would be wasting time trying to sell to Ryanair. John Leahy knows when not to waste resources.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:28 pm

If he views the government response to two potentially life-threatening thermal runaways as regulatory crap, then remind me to never fly on Ryanair. It's scary to think of what other regulatory crap he may be trying to evade.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:38 pm

I don't like agreeing with MOL, but I've been calling this same "crap" from the beginning of this unprecedented grounding without enough evidence to do so. And if you read the comments to the linked story, the FAA (by following the lead of the Japanese authorities rather than following their own procedures) has done immense damage to Boeing. Many people now see the 787 as UNSAFE despite there being no evidence that it is unsafe. Yet the public doesn't have the same perception about aircraft that have actually crashed and killed people due to defects, because the fleets weren't grounded.

What MOL is saying, and rightfully so, is the 787 IS a safe aircraft and if he had a need for wide-bodies, he would buy it without question. Why is he saying such things? Because he is being questioned about buying ANYTHING Boeing as collateral damage from the perception of the 787 being unsafe.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:39 pm

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-feb-traffic-down-3-percent

Based on these figures, clearly not all of the seats are full.

Without having further details, it is not possible to know the full picture.

However, on a significant number of flights, having "only" 180 seats would not be an issue.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):
Why would anyone work for Boeing or Airbus when they could work for the Government? B and A obviously only get third and fourth rate engineers, all the good ones obviously work for the DOT.

Without getting into the issue of whether your (sarcastic) comment is correct, you should realize that it is not all about potential, incentives, among other things, also matter. The folks at A and B may well be the smartest around, however they may also be under pressure to meet tight deadlines, to keep their bosses and shareholders happy, to reduce cost, etc. etc., and those incentives may not be necessarily aligned with those of passengers who would prefer not to perish in an airline crash (although, concededly, too many crashes will make bosses and shareholders unhappy, just one crash is one too many from the perspective of the passenger onboard, especially if it could have been avoided by taking reasonable precautions).

Anyway, we could argue whether the 787 landing in particular is overkill, whether public adminstration specialists should be more qualified, or have more resources, etc., but if you cannot see why in general terms it is a good idea to have an overseeing body with more "neutral" incentives (and I say more neutral because A and B can put pressure on the legislative and executive powers, who in turn can put pressure on the FAA and DOT, so it is not as if they have totally "neutral" incentives), then I've got a bridge to sell you...  

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Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 15):
The man is a Class-A [censored], but an annoyingly successful one.

MOL is the ultimate Grifter. He gets everyone else to pay for things like safety advancements and aviation infrastructure, and to keep people's eyes off this fact he proceeds to rant and rave about the crazy things he think he should be able to do and the few things he actually does pay for, usually at pennies on the dollar. The fact that he's successful shows that other people are just as self-centered as he is.

Hey, WN is a very fiscally responsible outfit, but you don't hear them talking about how they've (sexually assaulted) their vendors...
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:39 am

Michael O'Leary = Donald Trump of aerospace in terms of self promotion tactics.
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:09 am

MOL does from time to time spout some real nonsence, however one thing is true the 787 is at the cutting edge of technology and the FAA and NTSB have a lot of catching up to do in regards this kind of technology and perhaps it is wise to err on the side of caution, but this can lead to missing the real issues which may get lost in translation. The incidents involved a small proportion of frames in service and highlighted a potential wider problem, I stress, potential.

The knee jerk reaction by the authority's to ground all aircraft, effectively has affected ongoing testing and service reliability which may now show up at a later date, which could have been discovered on test aircraft.

If the problem was as potentially widespread as the actions of the FAA and NTSB have acted on then surely it would have occured during on at least one of the test aircraft before deliveries took place. as these aircraft are worked to the edge of the envelope way above what any in service frame would ecperience!
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:11 am

MOL hates govenment and their regulators (especially the EC 'government') but love their subsidies in taxes, for airports, for support services to get pax to/from the airport. Just like every other rich guy, he talks out of both his mouth and ...um... anus.
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting bendewire (Reply 32):
If the problem was as potentially widespread as the actions of the FAA and NTSB have acted on then surely it would have occured during on at least one of the test aircraft before deliveries took place. as these aircraft are worked to the edge of the envelope way above what any in service frame would ecperience!

Thats the whole point why the NTSB is so concerned! It wasn't picked up by the "testing"!!!
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
The DOT/FAA and any Government doesn't have .000000001% of the engineering smarts that Airbus or Boeing have for ten minutes on any Sunday at 2am. If these guys could design anything then they wouldn't be working for the DOT.


To develop and build airplanes or to be the regulatory body takes two different skill-sets.Airbus and Boeing engineers are good at what they do. FAA and NTSB are experts in their area. To say that one is smarter than the other makes no sense.
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:20 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
BTW, the surgeon general of the U.S. is usually a medical doctor, so that theory of yours is wrong.

And a highly trained, up to date, one at that, I would have no problem having the surgeon general treat me or my family.

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
I'm not a government apologist, but your portrayal of some of these gov't workers is very wrong........most of the people that work, doing investigations for the NTSB are very, very good at what they do.

Plus they are generally neutral. Boeing engineers are maybe top range, but that does not mean they are free to create perfect airplanes. They are bounded by budgets and time.

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Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:46 am

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):
The FAA and DOT isn't qualified.

  

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 33):
FAA and NTSB are experts in their area.

NTSB, I agree. FAA? FAA is a political agency run by fools and tools. People at the operational level, ie, systems techs, air traffic controllers, maybe a few first line sups., they have the flick. FAA mangaement? They have no idea how the system works, or that the people in the field are why it works.

The FAA has failed time after time to heed NTSB warnings and recommendations involving air safety. Remember, FAA is known as the "Tombstone Agency".

The FAA needs to be destroyed. Attempts to bring it into reality or functional worthiness have failed too many times.

Privatize or give ATC to NASA. Leave the promotion of aviation to the private sector. Find a way to salvage the air safety branch, and infuse it with operational people from the real world, with real operational knowledge and experience.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:18 am

"Regulatory crap", or what little of it is left, is what protects the "little folks" from the "big folks". Without safety standards, how secure would you feel about an aircraft or airline or any other product? Regulatory standards define a civilized society.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):
Or let me ask you this would you let the Secretary of Health operate on your partner, rather than a up to date qualified doctor? Might be a bad example

Of course it's a bad example, it's a horrible example. The FAA Administrator isn't doing anything with regard to the 787 batteries. Nor is the head of the NTSB. Both of them are far removed from the technical aspects of the process.

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):
but do you really prefer politicians over professionals?

Your "professionals" are responsible for the design of batteries that had a nasty habit of catching fire. And you trust them entirely to come up with a solution? I don't.

Not that I'm saying they're not qualified either - they're good people, and they're skilled. But nobody is infallible, and that's why we have other professional engineers (which is what the FAA and NTSB people who are actually working on this are) to check their work.

EDIT: I should add that my use of quotations is not intended to disparage the engineers at Boeing, but rather to highlight the term that Billreid used. I have great respect for the 787 design team (though I still don't think they're infallible).

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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:52 am

Another hilarious A.net thread about Ryanair. He (or anybody else for that matter) won't care diddly squat about the individual opinions that posters in this thread have about him, but he'll love the fact you ARE talking about him and his airline.

So carry on giving him that publicity if you wish.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:05 am

I guess there is karma in life.

First MOL rapes Boeing, now he is their bitch...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
Is this just his personality or what is it?

I strongly dislike him, but I happen to think he is one of the smartest marketeers in the aviation industry. A clown certainly, but a clown who constantly manages to get his low-cost airline mentioned for free in newspapers far beyond his carrier's service area, getting tons of publicity without buying advertising.
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:26 am

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
The DOT/FAA and any Government doesn't have .000000001% of the engineering smarts that Airbus or Boeing have for ten minutes on any Sunday at 2am.

Clearly you haven't been following the 787 saga too closely.

First, the aircraft has real problems. Did the government design the failing parts ? No. In fact even the testing and certifying was mainly done by Boeing !

On top of that, it has been revealed recently that Boeing was grounding the 787 even before the regulators did.

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Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:45 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 25):
Many people now see the 787 as UNSAFE despite there being no evidence that it is unsafe.

Two battery fires taking place within two weeks are enough evidence that 787 IS unsafe, with the current setup.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:35 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
Is this just his personality or what is it? I don't know enough about FR or O'Leary except from what I read here and in newspapers. Japanese media don't like him much either apparently.

It is calculation. He figured out long ago that if he says something controversial, it gets airtime and column inches worldwide. Everytime he launches one of his tirades, traffic (and bookings) on the Ryanair website go up. He's getting free publicity at the expense of people thinking he's a [count minus 1]. Since he doesn't care what people think of him, that's a great deal.

Quoting seachaz (Reply 29):
If the problem was as potentially widespread as the actions of the FAA and NTSB have acted on then surely it would have occured during on at least one of the test aircraft before deliveries took place. as these aircraft are worked to the edge of the envelope way above what any in service frame would ecperience!
Quoting trex8 (Reply 32):
Thats the whole point why the NTSB is so concerned! It wasn't picked up by the "testing"!!!

Seachaz, I suggest you read this article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-batterytest-idUSBRE92H12Z20130318

Boeing cut corners in the first round of testing, and the price they paid were the two high-profile incidents in Boston and over Japan. It was right of the NTSB and FAA to call for further measures and testing.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:42 am

Quoting billreid (Reply 9):
I do not trust politics over engineering
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 34):
Boeing engineers are maybe top range, but that does not mean they are free to create perfect airplanes. They are bounded by budgets and time



... and what is properly even more important: in an organisation like Boeing and Airbus it is NOT the engineers who run the business. The higher management will balance the engineering input over against that of the PR, Sales and Bean counter departments of their respective organisations. That is why it is extremely important that there is an outside agency. We have often seen that the ones with the least important word unfortunately has been the engineers! The fact the Boeing and Airbus has the most qualified engineers is not the same as to say that they rule their companies. Far from.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:37 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
This CEO is speaking out of the lavs he wanted to charge his flyers to use. He doesn't know squat about the reasons why the 787 was grounded

Neither do most of the posters on this forum and yet they are no less entitled to express their opinions about the 787 than he is! The only difference is that when MOL expresses an opinion, it gets reported by the media.
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 31):
MOL hates govenment and their regulators (especially the EC 'government') but love their subsidies in taxes, for airports, for support services to get pax to/from the airport. Just like every other rich guy, he talks out of both his mouth and ...um... anus.

There are a lot of so called 'entrepreneurial' CEO's like him around, way beyond aviation.
Their diet consisting largely of the hand that feeds them.

As for the thread starter, sounds like the sort of nonsense spouted at CPAC, y'know, like 'they are performing abortions on women who are not even pregnant'.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:56 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 45):
As for the thread starter, sounds like the sort of nonsense spouted at CPAC, y'know, like 'they are performing abortions on women who are not even pregnant'.

Where third-party payers like governmental entities and insurance companies are responsible for providing payment, health care providers seeking payment for unnecessary procedures is not unheard of. Outright fraud by health care providers is thought to be at least 15-20% of the cost of government health care programs like Medicare & Medicaid in US.

[Edited 2013-03-20 05:57:37]
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:00 pm

Quoting reffado (Reply 6):

I wonder what HIS Maintenance records look like if He's making stupid statements like THAT?!?!
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:35 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
Two battery fires taking place within two weeks are enough evidence that 787 IS unsafe, with the current setup.

I do not believe the B787 is unsafe......the batteries however are still an immature technology.
 
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RE: Ryanair CEO: Boeing 787 Problems 'Regulatory Crap'

Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:40 pm

I would tend to agree with MOL.

The FAA is a monopoly on safety standards, and i doubt anyone here would argue that monopolies are good.

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