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New Frontier Part 42

Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:45 pm

As the old thread got quite long please continue discussing here.

The previous thread can be found here
New Frontier Part 41 (by iowaman Feb 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-03-20 11:45:23]
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:31 pm

Because F9 has sold airfare on Groupon they may want to get involved with the Army-Air Force-Exchange System (AAFES) leisure travel program http://www.shopmyexchange.com/EmailI...sletter/images-new/main-032113.jpg It looks like US, AA, DL, B6 and NK are already on-board.

I would think TTN to any Florida markets would do well. You have a lot of military families in around TTN with Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. Staten Island, NY has has a Navy Facility amongst others installations in and around the greater NYC and Philly areas. Out west I'm told there is a significant military population around the greater DEN/COS catchment area. I've been told the area is in a top five list of military installations retirees select as their final home of selection for the perks after they exit the service. Looking at the ad Branson appears to be another popular market.

Unlike official government travel this travel service is for leisure and available to families and military retirees who are authorized to shop the military Exchange system. Dependents (the brood) are generally authorized through age 21 or 24 if enrolled as a full time college student.

In the MCO area the military has the Shades of the Green hotel which is best understood as a members only recreation facility for all facets of the military family.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:33 am

Well...... now that G4 has left FNL...... it seems that the airport manager there is looking for another carrier to run the couple-of-times-a-week FNL-LAS flight.......

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20...port-refines-its-pitch-new-airline

I would wonder if there is any way that F9 could do route (well... they probably could get a plane to run FNL-LAS and back twice a week) with the end result of having some plus $$$$$ in the F9 coffer from doing this?

 



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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:03 am

persuaded my dad to book GSO-DEN in June ... got a great rate even after upgrading to 'Classic' and Stretch seating, although he opted for DL on return as it was $150 cheaper ... F9 was asking $289 oneway (and online seat map the flight was over 3/4 full) ... ill take that as a good sign and am hoping the GSO-DEN flight does well enough to go daily  
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:10 pm

CAPA has posted another article about F9

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...files-or-falls-between-them-103050

a lot of numbers, stats about F9 here, and other info that we know. This article also seems to indicate that F9 is going about its own path into making itself an ULCC/hybrid........

 
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):

Glad to see the word hybrid being used. It fits neatly. A LCC in the West and a ULCC in the East . That's what I've taken from the last conference call anyways.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:08 pm

So basically, it looks like F9 is going to be SOLD rather than be spun off....... the big question now...... who's going to be the buyer? And if I heard correctly, they were supposed to make that decision by the end of March (now 1 day away)
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:03 pm

Looks like F9 extended their schedule to 11/13/13. A couple items of note:

DEN-EUG/TYS operates through 10/24
DEN-GSO goes through 9/8
DEN-MDT stays at 4x weekly through the remainder of the schedule.

DEN-GRR ends September 7. It looks like yet another route where the economics of 3 airlines on it just doesn't work. I have to wonder though, if I'm WN why not just keep adding more F9 DEN destinations like LIT, ORF, and DSM? Based on DAY, CAK, , SDF and now GRR it seems clear that F9 either can't compete with them or chooses to walk away from the competition. Either way it's a win if you're WN.

All of the TTN flying (including MSY) resumes the last week the schedule is open (11/8-11/13)

Only other item I noticed was AZA no longer says 'operates seasonally until April 7'. Instead it now says 'discontinued after April 7'. The reverse is true for ZIH. So maybe at this point, they plan on returning to ZIH next winter.

[Edited 2013-03-31 16:00:39]
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:36 pm

Frontier will stop flying the DEN - GRR route after September 8th, 2013. This must be in response to Southwest flying the route beginning August 11th.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:52 am

At least SBN-DEN will never be touched by WN. Frontiers loads have been hit or miss but are picking back up again. December of last year was F9's best month so far on the route and then it dropped off after the holidays but average load factors are now back up to 82% and that is actually better that WN's average company load factor so I hope F9 stays.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:55 am

Looking through the new schedule, I can't find any E190 flights after 9/8 with the exception of DCA-OMA/MSN/MCI. Those 3 cities to DEN though have all flights on 319s so I'm curious what the plan is for the E190s. I wonder if those 3 Republic slots can't be physically operated by frontier or what? With the last A318 flight scheduled for 8/9 as well, it looks like F9 will finally be down to just 319/320 flights (at least at DEN)
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:22 am

With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 11):
With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?


They haven't been too successful with that. They weren't able to get COS-DCA, and then proceeded to can all of the flights from there (I'm sure their history of short lived routes doesn't help). Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:54 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?

Hmmm? Frontier has no within-perimeter slots.

Any within-perimeter service it offers is by using Republic slots, acquired from Midwest, for some of which Republic has other uses.

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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:55 pm

For those who may be contemplating a trip to/from Alaska I saw some really decent prices from ANC to fifty destinations in the lower 48 in the $89 fare special which are valid across the Summer through September 8th LAS-ANC for $173 each way. FLL-ANC for $240.00 each way.

We can only hope the Pacific Northwest will be able to participate on F9 at some point in the not to distant future without having to fly back to DEN. It might be time to look at BLI-ANC seasonally.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:08 pm

For the sake of discussion I want to field comments about K5 possibly becoming a potential regional partner for F9 http://www.seaportair.com/route-map.php A code-share gives F9 the Southeast Alaska.

K5 is also expanding in the lower 48 under the Sea-Port brand. A couple of the biggies would be DFW, PDX, SAN other medium size airports would be BNA, MCI and maybe MEM.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
A couple of the biggies would be DFW,

Correction DAL which puts it in the medium sized airport department.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:09 am

Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Just to clarify I believe you mean starting previously announced service at TTN and the ILG service is a new announcement.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:30 am

I guess this thread is the place for this, forgive me if I am wrong, anyway, do you know what happened to the TPA to OMA, DSM, and MKE? They were running seasonally in winter 2011, and then it seemed as if just dropped off. Does it still run, and if so, when?
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:39 am

Well you have TTN and now ILG. What's the next airport Worchester (ORH)?? I'm sure they would even get some subsidies from Massport. Sure they like B6 but want more than MCO and FLL.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:00 am

I'm curious if TOL could support this current strategy (TTN & ILG). TOL has a large metro area, and I wonder if an ULCC like F9 could succeed there.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:29 am

with all this TTN, ILG, ORH, TOL, etc talk i cant help but wonder why GSO isnt more on F9's radar ... being midway between CLT & RDU (and ROA, HKY, Boone, etc) i would think that F9 would do well from here to MDW, IAH, TTN, etc ...WN obviously has no intentions of serving GSO (even though its the 3rd or 4th largest metro without WN service) ... wondering if maybe the limited (3X weekly service) is a turn off to the business travelers in the Triad region ... imo GSO is a great regional airport with cheap parking, short TSA lines, and is central to a large population ... fwiw i did see a huge billboard touting Frontier to DEN on on NC68 yesterday as well as adverts for the same service on the front page of the News & Record ... and btw i still dont get not opening TTN-GSO instead of TTN-RDU just my   
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:21 pm

There is a spring snow storm going on in Denver today. Frontier flights are being impacted by low visibility and ATC spacing. However, there are few, if any, cancellations so far. United has cancelled a number of flights as of mid-morning.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Here's the Sky Vector airport info for New Castle http://skyvector.com/airport/ILG/New-Castle-Airport
And we thought TTN-PHF was to close. TTN-ILG is about what 70 miles?

When this service inaugurates all fifty states will have regularly scheduled airline passenger service. In the trivia department Delaware was the only state that did not.

I suppose the credit card companies who have their HQ in Delaware would use the service. This route seems awful drivable though. My early thoughts are the new ILG service needs to be connected to the banking center in and around CLT to work
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:03 am

Anyone else find it funny that Siegel is now the one laying siege to US Airways in Philly?
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:06 am

The Denver Post naming two firms in discussions with Republic...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-investment-firms-potential-buyers
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting jgrantco (Reply 26):
The Denver Post naming two firms in discussions with Republic...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-investment-firms-potential-buyers

Just what we need another Spirit Air.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 25):
Anyone else find it funny that Siegel is now the one laying siege to US Airways in Philly?

I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:23 am

I understand that the F9 dispatch center and SOC will be relocated back to DEN.

Part of guiding the company into new ownership.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:25 am

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 28):
I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.

Agreed.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:18 am

Guess ILG bookings are doing well, intro fares now starting at $79 (Up from $49)

[Edited 2013-04-21 19:21:16]
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:51 am

What happened to AZA? I flew the flght in Feb AZA-Den-BNA and the first flight was full. ( flew on sarge the bald eagle) I didn't hear they dropped it.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:23 am

Just checked some scenarios on SeatGuru for SBN-DEN R/T's. DEN-SBN-DEN loads are looking really good during the Indy500 Race weekend. (Do you think race fans are discovering cheaper fares to SBN on F9 and then driving to Indy?) Also Notre Dame Commencement weekend is booked pretty well. According to SBN officials load factors on F9 are increasing as people learn of these flights and it looks like these flights are beginning to work out.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:30 am

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 28):
I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.

I think the only route it might care about is if F9 launched ILG-CLT, flying from PHL's backyard into US' other hub, a fortress hub. The fares are steep on PHL-CLT, a monopoly route, but it's high frequency and short haul. It might just aggravate US enough for US to launch ILG-CLT as well, providing low one-stop fares via CLT to F9's chosen markets until F9 is forced to drop ILG altogether when US will drop it shortly afterwards. I think F9 should stay clear of launching it.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 20):
What's the next airport Worchester (ORH)?? I'm sure they would even get some subsidies from Massport. Sure they like B6 but want more than MCO and FLL.

I think HGR would work. It's one hour from areas like Germantown, MD which is part of the DC suburbs. It'd fit in with the ILG/TTN type approach. Be at an underused airport, with free parking, about one hour away (reasonable drive) from the suburbs of a major city in the east. For the region, it also has DCA-DEN already, so it'd complement it.

Compared to Philly which has 4 carriers currently (US, UA, AA, and WN) flying to Chicago, DC has just three (UA, AA and WN). Given that WAS is a bigger market with fewer carriers, it's likely not as competitive as it could be. It'd present great opportunity for F9 to stimulate low fares to CHI/MDW, although Florida might be stimulated atleast out of BWI with NK flying there, WN, and B6 at DCA.

As far as New England, F9 might as well go back to BOS. Perhaps not with BOS-DEN which is competitive, but with TTN-BOS early morning flight. Some could fly TTN-BOS and return BOS-EWR and take NJTransit home.

Maybe F9 could expand it's presence at PHF too. FL used to fly PHF-BOS. F9 could fly that route, with PHF-MDW, PHF-DEN, PHF-MCO. New York service would be ideal in the mix too in order for F9 at PHF to be like FL at PHF. I thnk TTN is too far from NYC to be used as a viable gateway into the city, even though Trenton technically falls in the New York CSA.

[Edited 2013-04-22 19:41:52]
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:24 am

Question to those who know, how accurate are the F9 seat maps as an indication of load factors. FAT - DEN bookings for the first weeks seem surprisingly strong. I didn't expect to see 80 seats booked on a number of flights when we're still a month out from the first flights...
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:44 pm

Catching up on some back-reading, I ran across an article that SBD (San Bernardino, CA) is continuing in its process to attract some commercial service.

http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_2290389...irport-still-awaits-an-airline-but

Yes, it's been nearly two decade since the Air Force closed the base there, as well as SBD being sandwiched between PSP and poorly-performing ONT, and the city is probably an epicenter of foreclosures and some pretty negative economic activity, and also throwing some management corruption charges and the fact that this airport has not ever seen any regularly scheduled commercial air service despite managements aggressive and best efforts to do so.... still, the airport will boast very low costs, a terminal ready for passenger service, current management continual aggressive efforts to get any scheduled service, and soon some 6 million population in the Inland Empire for market capture.

So...... is there maybe some sort of possibility that F9 can do some West Coast version with SBD what it is in the process of trying to do with TTN and ILG on the East Coast?

 
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:00 am

Forget SBD. The area is a disaster and hardly a good airport to serve broader SoCal region from.

If F9 wants a relative cheap airport, they had their chance at LGB.
Another option today is BUR where per passenger cost is only about $4 compared to $10+ for LAX and ONT.

Even Allegiant passed over SBD realizing geographic and demographic handicap the airport represents.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
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Reply 37, posted Tue Apr 23 2013 18:00:51 your local time (17 minutes 34 secs ago) and read 31 times:

Forget SBD. The area is a disaster and hardly a good airport to serve broader SoCal region from.

Agree, should not be high on the radar screen. Rather, Shurz & Co might want to consider seasonal service from DEN to STS and Sonoma County once airfield modifications there are completed. This route should have some positive traction in the seasonal leisure market. Who knows it could capture some local business traffic if timed right.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:53 pm

For those who may be planning a non cruise ship visit to the land of the midnight sun; who may not receive F9 emails. ANC and FAI are on sale through April 29th for travel May 16 through September 16 http://www.flyfrontier.com/promo-code/alaska10

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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:46 am

Not sure if this is 'news' but there is a Frontier A319 in GYR wearing revised titles. The silver 'Frontier' has turned into a smaller black 'FlyFrontier.com' title. If this is news, I'll try to get a picture tomorrow (4/25)...
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:48 am

F9 just posted this on their Facebook page. N954FR joins their fleet tonight. This tail was previously on N504LX, Mickey the Moose. Thoughts about the special billboard livery? I wonder if it's just this one aircraft or if it's the new livery going forward. The tag line is dropped.

N954FR Mickey the Moose formerly on Q400 N504LX


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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
Thoughts about the special billboard livery?

I've always been of the group, if it aint broke don't fix it. Sure it does get the website address out there but was anyone who wanted to go there having trouble finding it? I think a majority of people are smart enough to use google or bing or Yahoo or whatever. The new one is a little more crisp and clean but I didn't have a problem with the other one. It does look like it might require less paint though. In any event, only if they did something stupid like accelarate the painting of aircraft would I mind.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
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F9 just posted this on their Facebook page. N954FR joins their fleet tonight.

My first reaction is hmmmmmmm.......... Not sure if the new addition appeals or is too much. At least the animal(s) is still intact. Guess we will see.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:46 am

They took the slogan off? And why not just make it: WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM? Or better yet: HTTP://WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM. I dont care for it.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:53 pm

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):

I like it! The moose adds a bit of elegance. The .com is a bit dated though.

At least it not a frickin fictional mouse. I still have my    hoping for a breaching Humpback Whale one day.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
I wonder if it's just this one aircraft or if it's the new livery going forward.

I don't like it, hopefully its just for that one.
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:34 am

Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier: $20 million loss. If you account for charges due to returning aircraft loss was roughly $15 million.

With still no sale announcement and now these awful results, it could be an interesting session for Bedford with analysts tomorrow. These results do not help Republic's goal of spinning off F9, unless you're hoping for a fire sale.
 
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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 47):
Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier: $20 million loss. If you account for charges due to returning aircraft loss was roughly $15 million.

Almost eaxctly what they said it would be in the last conference call - a loss only slightly less than last year's Q1.

It hasn't hurt the stock price.

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RE: New Frontier Part 42

Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:03 am

[quote=n7371f,
Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier:[/quote]

Q1 has historically been a less than good quarter for Frontier. I do not think this will disuade a possible sale given the new east cost flying, potential increase in future Apple contracts and continued company restructuring efforts as they go forward. Perhaps we will learn more tomorrow from BB.

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