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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:00 am

Reuters is reporting a story from the Nikkei in Japan that JAL is looking to buy 20 A350s .

If true, it would be a massive slap in the face for Boeing; of course, it doesn't preclude future purchases of 787s and many carriers will be operating both types side by side, but it is hard not to think of this as a message to Boeing that it is hugely frustrated by the continuing 787 delays and the damage that they continue to cause.

Only last month, the CEO of JAL indicated that the airline should not continue to rely on one manufacturer.

Although JAL operated A300-600s inherited from JAS, these (if the purchase goes ahead) would be the first Airbuses directly acquired by the airline.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:06 am

You beat me to this by a few minutes.. Here is the link...

Yahoo Finance

Well, we only have to wait a few months to know if this is true or this is another way to gain some allowance from Boeing....

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:07 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Only last month, the CEO of JAL indicated that the airline should not continue to rely on one manufacturer.

True, but they need more than the B787 currently on order to replace their large fleet of B772 and B773 including domestic and international. Plus, they need something to replace the aging B763.

Pity though that they haven't thought about the A380 though. When it comes to premium cabins, nothing can be the space that the A380 provides.

I guess JL doesn't mind losing all its business pax to airlines like TG, KE, etc.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:18 am

What neither of you mention is that it's the -1000 they are looking at.

"The Japanese carrier is considering using A350-1000 jets on flights to Europe and the United States to replace its Boeing 777 jets."

Now that is even more interesting.   
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:25 am

Interesting... if true. And 'may buy' is not an order. Since JAL must be negotiating compensation with Boeing right now, I personally think anything could happen.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:27 am

Would love to see it happen. Always love airlines having more than one manufacturer in their fleets.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:43 am

I should declare an interest as I am a big fan of the A350 and I have quite a soft spot for JAL, but I would love to see this come off. And, although it may be a bargaining ploy, I can as easily believe that a JAL order for A350s is a real possibility. JAL today is not the JAL of old and a mixed fleet of 787s (especially the smaller ones) and A350s (especially the biggest one) would hardly be eccentric.

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 2):
I guess JL doesn't mind losing all its business pax to airlines like TG, KE, etc.

Really? I guess they would mind very much and will try to prevent it happening.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
Interesting... if true. And 'may buy' is not an order. Since JAL must be negotiating compensation with Boeing right now, I personally think anything could happen.

Sure it could. And I have no idea if this is dinkum.

At the same time - and just to make the point - both Airbus and Boeing do know when they're being played, when someone is trying to pit one against the other for leverage.

Airbus has told at least one airline to take a hike when they thought they are being played and has sent out a huge warning sign to MOL at Ryanair - don't even try.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:38 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
Airbus has told at least one airline to take a hike when they thought they are being played and has sent out a huge warning sign to MOL at Ryanair - don't even try.

Yes, but Airbus knows airlines are pretty cheesed off with Boeing at the moment; they have to take a risk; sure, the danger exists that airlines are just playing one off against the other, but while it is pretty absurd to expect FR to turn to the 320Neo, it's certainly not absurd to contemplate the A350 in JAL colours (though more pleasant to contemplate the A350 in JAL's old colours!).
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:03 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
it is hard not to think of this as a message to Boeing that it is hugely frustrated by the continuing 787 delays and the damage that they continue to cause.

The message has been sent for over four years now via direct communication at the highest levels. Given the fact that the Japanese governement and the "risk sharing" heavies have a monumental investment in the 787, as well as significant participation in other older Boeing Commercial programs, I seriously doubt the pendulum will swing very far in Airbus' favor where JAL is concerned.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:18 am

Quoting JValjean (Reply 9):
I seriously doubt the pendulum will swing very far in Airbus' favor where JAL is concerned.
Quoting PM (Reply 6):
JAL today is not the JAL of old.

My guess is that the Board of JAL will buy what's best for JAL. And so they should.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:20 am

Quoting JValjean (Reply 9):
The message has been sent for over four years now via direct communication at the highest levels. Given the fact that the Japanese governement and the "risk sharing" heavies have a monumental investment in the 787, as well as significant participation in other older Boeing Commercial programs, I seriously doubt the pendulum will swing very far in Airbus' favor where JAL is concerned.

What kind of direct leverage do the government and the other heavies have?
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:37 am

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 11):
What kind of direct leverage do the government and the other heavies have?

Perhaps the mere fact that the Japanese government waived $7.3 billion in debt to save the company in 2010.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:41 am

Quoting JValjean (Reply 9):
Given the fact that the Japanese governement and the "risk sharing" heavies have a monumental investment in the 787, as well as significant participation in other older Boeing Commercial programs, I seriously doubt the pendulum will swing very far in Airbus' favor where JAL is concerned.

But ANA did go with Rollers on their 787's so its not inconceivable that Airbus might get get a toe in the door
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:47 am

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Now that is even more interesting.

Also interesting is this:

Quote:
and is set to make a final decision on the purchase by around June

What would be happening "around June" time?   

While I personally see no reason JAL shouldn't buy A350s, for now I'll file this in the 'Believe it when I see it' pile.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:49 am

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 13):
But ANA did go with Rollers on their 787's so its not inconceivable that Airbus might get get a toe in the door

They already have a toe in the door, whether they penetrate the market threshold any further is what seems doubtful to me. However, that doesn't mean Airbus shouldn't or wouldn't continue to give it the old college try.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:21 am

If I were JAL it would be tempting to take the titles off the rest of the 787 fleet, cancel the remaining orders, and go all A350.

Of course the A350 is a paper airplane and with Airbus' record on the A380 and A400 I wouldn't jump just yet.

Plus the millions lost on the existing fleet - though real 787s might fetch a good price used.

Still would be tempting though.

The smart thing would be to play this against Boeing and squeeze them hard for a good deal.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:43 am

I wouldn't call 'paper airplane' an airplane that is months away from first flight!
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:48 am

That would be cool if it goes through, turn up the heat some for B, it can only do good in the long run. Maybe the MDD board in Chicago gets the news one fine day? Time to shape up!
 
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Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 13):
But ANA did go with Rollers on their 787's

There is quite a Japanese stake in the Trent family. (In the 1990s ANA were on the point of ordering Trent 800s for their 777s when BA ordered GE90s and that spooked them into switching to PW.   )

Quoting JValjean (Reply 15):
They already have a toe in the door.

Indeed. Airbus have just delivered their 100th plane to the Japanese market.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:50 am

Quoting JValjean (Reply 9):
Given the fact that the Japanese governement and the "risk sharing" heavies have a monumental investment in the 787, as well as significant participation in other older Boeing Commercial programs, I seriously doubt the pendulum will swing very far in Airbus' favor where JAL is concerned.

Japanese companies also supply parts for almost all Airbus models.

Quoting ADent (Reply 16):
If I were JAL it would be tempting to take the titles off the rest of the 787 fleet, cancel the remaining orders, and go all A350.

The A350-900 (800/1000 too far away) are a lot bigger than a 787-8, I do not see that happening.

Quoting ADent (Reply 16):

Of course the A350 is a paper airplane and with Airbus' record on the A380 and A400 I wouldn't jump just yet.

Have you been to the FAL in TLS to see the paper they are making the A350 from ?

What record do you refer to WRT to the A380/A400M ? Before you answer that, have a look at all new aircraft programs and see that delivering such technology is a challenge for anyone, even when almost "bottom less" budgets are thrown at them. Make an OBJECTIVE comparison, not fanboy flamebait.

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The smart thing would be to play this against Boeing and squeeze them hard for a good deal.

For what aircraft ? the current 777 is not competitive when put up again an A350 over 10-20 years, and then you have the 787-9/787-10, and 777X which are further away from flying than the A350-900.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:08 am

People, please. JAL is looking for 777 replacements, this has nothing to do with the 787 problems.

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
My guess is that the Board of JAL will buy what's best for JAL. And so they should.

  
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Quoting zeke (Reply 20):
Japanese companies also supply parts for almost all Airbus models.

True, but the overall financial investment by the government and the heavies in Boeing programs borders on being exponentially greater than what's the case in the foreseeable future with Airbus.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:06 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 8):
sure, the danger exists that airlines are just playing one off against the other, but while it is pretty absurd to expect FR to turn to the 320Neo, it's certainly not absurd to contemplate the A350 in JAL colours

I don't think it is absurd. MOL started to try and play that game and Leahy slapped him down hard:

http://www.imakenews.com/tmcm/e_arti...001370641.cfm?x=bfhQHPr,bbQk4K1F,w

"Airbus snubs Ryanair over discounts

This week Ryanair said that it was in early talks with Boeing and Airbus about an order for 300-400 short-haul jets, one of the biggest purchases of new aircraft.

Michael O’Leary, Ryanair chief executive and key senior colleagues have visited Airbus headquarters in Toulouse to outline their plans, but the European group, the commercial aircraft division of EADS, has told the airline that it is not interested at the prices Ryanair is seeking.

John Leahy, Airbus’s chief commercial officer, said: “We are not in discussions with Ryanair about aircraft. That is on the record. We don’t have plans to enter a sales campaign with Ryanair, which would be very expensive and very time consuming."


I think Airbus is likely to welcome any overtures from JAL, but won't be played for a sucker. On the other hand, I take the JAL CEO at face value:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Only last month, the CEO of JAL indicated that the airline should not continue to rely on one manufacturer.

And I think he's right, whether this particular deal goes ahead or not.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
While I personally see no reason JAL shouldn't buy A350s, for now I'll file this in the 'Believe it when I see it' pile

I would agree with you. Although it would be awesome to see the A350 flying with JAL.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
People, please. JAL is looking for 777 replacements, this has nothing to do with the 787 problems.

True...Im surprised they are not going to wait to see what the 777X has to offer first....then again this is not a done deal.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:44 pm

Boeing should be shopping for new marketing and sales people... this is just embarrassing. While they're at it, the Boeing shareholders should clean house and fire the board and everyone else that signed off on the 787 and the NEO as they are now. I really do think that this spate of poached Boeing customers is really a vote of "no confidence" on Boeing products and the Boeing ability to provide good products and services.

Leahy is wrapping rings around Boeing and poaching just about every Boeing stalwart. I've heard of Airbus's legendary sales tactics to get reluctant operators to purchase Airbus equipment. Boeing's series of blunders starting with the 787 and ending with 737Max (a plane that's probably inferior to the A32XNEO delivered 2 years after the NEO) is just making it easier for Leahy to retire as the best salesman in commercial aviation history.

Next thing we'll hear is that WN has ordered A320/A321NEOs.... I'm sure then shareholders will begin
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:01 pm

The 787-9 should be able to serve as a domestic and international 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement for JL just as it will for NH. As such, that JL may only be looking at the A350-1000 for a 777-300 and 777-300ER replacement does pass the common sense test.

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 2):
Pity though that they haven't thought about the A380 though. When it comes to premium cabins, nothing can be the space that the A380 provides.

I guess JL doesn't mind losing all its business pax to airlines like TG, KE, etc.


Like NH, JL chooses to fly a low-density, high-comfort configuration for their international flights. They choose to cater to high-yield passengers rather than low-yield and configure their aircraft appropriately.

And because of this, the 777X could actually be a poor choice for JL and NH. They do not need the capacity of the 777-9X anymore than they do the capacity of the 747-8 or the A380-800. And while the 777-8X would be properly-sized for them in terms of capacity, the larger wing-span could be a pain for them at NRT and HND.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 26):
The 787-9 should be able to serve as a domestic and international 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement for JL just as it will for NH. As such, that JL may only be looking at the A350-1000 for a 777-300 and 777-300ER replacement does pass the common sense test.

I agree on the international routes but some of their domestic 777-200 aircraft have 350 and 390 seats, I doubt you can fill the 787-9 comfortable with the same amout of seats.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):
I can't remembe any other aircraft that has had such delays.

Concorde would be close, it packed a lot of "new technology" as well.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
People, please. JAL is looking for 777 replacements, this has nothing to do with the 787 problems.

I think it is more than that. JAL has never bought Airbus, so this is defnitely a deliberate step to consider a non-Boeing option for the 777 replacement. Only the most naive would believe, after all of the comments and hints JAL has been dropping about the risks of its sole-supplier relationship with Boeing since the 787 incident in BOS, that the 787 problems did not factor in this decision.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:51 pm

Bit old this news...Airline Business carried a JAL interview a month ago. An extract:



JAL's Boeing 767s are being replaced with Boeing 787s, and its chairman Masaru Onishi says that the airline's "main interest now" is to look at replacements for the older 777s that will begin to be retired from 2016.

Options include more 777-300ERs, its proposed successor that has been dubbed the 777-X, and new generation aircraft such as the proposed 787-10 and the Airbus A350, Onishi says in an interview with Flightglobal publication Airline Business.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rcraft-for-777-replacement-382514/
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:05 pm

Good news. It is high time Japanese carriers broke their Boeing habit. I guess it took the 787 to do it.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting multimark (Reply 34):
I guess it took the 787 to do it.

I dont think that the 787 had anything to do with this.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:32 pm

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 35):
I dont think that the 787 had anything to do with this.

If they'd still consider Boeing as a possible candidate, wouldn't they wait for a 777X offer?
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
I agree on the international routes but some of their domestic 777-200 aircraft have 350 and 390 seats, I doubt you can fill the 787-9 comfortable with the same amout of seats.

NH have stated they plan to operate their domestic 787-9s with around 400 seats. They can fit the same number of rows of Premium Class and Economy Class seats as on their domestic 777-200s, losing one seat per row per Economy. But honestly, losing 30-ish seats is probably not a bad thing as it should increase yields (and perhaps even load factors).
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:02 pm

Good lesson for BOEING, bravo for AIRBUS! It would be nice to see a JAL A350!  
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting JValjean (Reply 31):
Concorde would be close, it packed a lot of "new technology" as well.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):
Quoting btblue (Reply 27):
In July it will be 6 years since the first 787 was rolled out...

Its getting on for a Comet type time scale, without the losses & that was newer technology (in those days) by far
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:16 pm

Excluding JL's 77W fleet, the airline has 33 777's comprising 14 x -200's, 11 x -200ER's and 7 x -300's that may need replacing at some time soon, so the initial 20 aircraft RFP and order would include significant options it would appear. The A350-900 and -1000 would both be legitimate options presumably.

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Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Only last month, the CEO of JAL indicated that the airline should not continue to rely on one manufacturer.

Considering the very understated way of speaking in Japanese culture, that might be more of an intention than it sounds to Western ears

Quoting JValjean (Reply 31):
Concorde would be close, it packed a lot of "new technology" as well.

More, 7 years. But then it flew at over twice the speed of any other airliner, at nearly twice the height. The first 'Prototype' aircraft were really technology demonstrators. In the US they'd have had an 'X' prefix.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 27):
In July it will be 6 years since the first 787 was rolled out... and the thing still isn't flying...
Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):
Hadn't realised that; when you put it like this, it's clear that this has been a disaster;

It's true. . . as long as you WILLINGLY choose to ignore that it flew regular revenue service for over a year before the grounding. *shrug*

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 33):
chairman Masaru Onishi says that the airline's "main interest now" is to look at replacements for the older 777s that will begin to be retired from 2016.

We'll see if they stick to that timetable. If they do, then it HAS to be more 777's or 787's. The A350 (nor 777X) will be available to JAL that soon.


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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
What neither of you mention is that it's the -1000 they are looking at.

"The Japanese carrier is considering using A350-1000 jets on flights to Europe and the United States to replace its Boeing 777 jets."

Now that is even more interesting.   

It sure is very interesting. JAL has a good chance to become an Airbus customer, and Airbus has a good chance to become a supplier to JAL again.

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
I should declare an interest as I am a big fan of the A350 and I have quite a soft spot for JAL, but I would love to see this come off.

The same goes for me as well.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
While I personally see no reason JAL shouldn't buy A350s, for now I'll file this in the 'Believe it when I see it' pile.

True, but these reports seem to be quite serious. Still, they could decide otherwise and remain a very loyal Boeing customer. That has worked out for them very well over all these years.

Quoting ADent (Reply 16):
Of course the A350 is a paper airplane

Which will fly within a couple of months. So much for a paper airplane.  .

Quoting zeke (Reply 20):
Japanese companies also supply parts for almost all Airbus models.

They sure do.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
People, please. JAL is looking for 777 replacements, this has nothing to do with the 787 problems.

Well, if they are unhappy with (some parts) of Boeing on the B787, that might make a move to Airbus more appealing.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 38):
It would be nice to see a JAL A350!

It sure would. But until there is something more official, I am not holding my breath.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 42):
It's true. . . as long as you WILLINGLY choose to ignore that it flew regular revenue service for over a year before the grounding. *shrug*

Hamlet please don't interrupt the hyberbole and overstatement with facts please  .

For any business to go totally over for one supplier vs. buying some from multiple suppliers, there needs to be massively bigger benefits to offset the risk. Now that is more true for larger scale consumables where a single invoice vs. multiple regular invoices, steeper discounts, and fewer people needing to interact with multiple suppliers. That really lessens though when you are talking giant sticker items like an aircraft because it isn't like you are getting multiple invoices every week (unless you are EK of course). With aircraft it would have to come down to commonality of types, fewer different parts to stock (many are just-in-time anyways) and a much bigger discount for exclusivity. To take a compromise in the ultimate mission profile in order to just buy from one aircraft manufacturer, I personally think just doesn't make sense. So it has to have a decent bottom line discount.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 35):
I dont think that the 787 had anything to do with this.

I doubt anyone at NH or JL headquarters want to be launch customer for any new Boeing types any time soon.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 42):
Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 33):
chairman Masaru Onishi says that the airline's "main interest now" is to look at replacements for the older 777s that will begin to be retired from 2016.

We'll see if they stick to that timetable. If they do, then it HAS to be more 777's or 787's. The A350 (nor 777X) will be available to JAL that soon.

For a customer like JL spurning its old supplier I am sure A can find a few early delivery slots for 2016!
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 45):
For a customer like JL spurning its old supplier I am sure A can find a few early delivery slots for 2016!

But EIS of the A350-1000 is 2017, unless JAL know something more.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:46 pm

I did state a few weeks ago that the comments from JAL's Chairman was the Japanese way of politely expressing extreme displeasure at Boeing and I suggested this would open the door for the A350 in Japan.

Now we read this report that the A350 is indeed being considered.

If I might go out on a limb again, I'm prepared to go down on record as saying this is an indicator, not that JAL are considering the A350, but that the decision has already been made; the rest of the process is semantics and the way they do things.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:51 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 46):
But EIS of the A350-1000 is 2017, unless JAL know something more.

Some A359s till the A35J shows up?
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:51 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 47):
If I might go out on a limb again, I'm prepared to go down on record as saying this is an indicator, not that JAL are considering the A350, but that the decision has already been made; the rest of the process is semantics and the way they do things.

A JL A350-1000 order may very well happen, but we probably should not forget that a few years back it was "confirmed" that ANA had placed an order for five A380-800s...



Quoting trex8 (Reply 48):
Some A359s till the A35J shows up?

I very much doubt that Airbus has any 2016 A350-900 delivery positions available.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 37):
NH have stated they plan to operate their domestic 787-9s with around 400 seats. They can fit the same number of rows of Premium Class and Economy Class seats as on their domestic 777-200s, losing one seat per row per Economy. But honestly, losing 30-ish seats is probably not a bad thing as it should increase yields (and perhaps even load factors).

Really, 400 seats? Impressive, I did not know that.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 43):
It sure would. But until there is something more official, I am not holding my breath.

A final decision is expected by the end of June, this would be a nice Bourget surprise.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:57 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 48):
Some A359s till the A35J shows up?

I would be surprised if Airbus has any delivery slots in 2016 left.
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Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:08 pm

I for one hope Jal buys the A350, as it will be a fine aircraft. And it also teaches Boeing that over promising and underdelivery has a payback. This situation just makes me hate the way that Boeing dealt with the 787 and its issues. I know the aircraft itself will be fine eventually, but Boeing did not do things right and they don't seem to realize the consequences just yet. Just like many here are so sided by their love affair to Boeing, inspite the 787 being grounded for months now (and having a mediocre reliability when was in service). It is sad that some here still want to be over positive about the project. People, the project is still a nightmare. We are talking over a decade since the program started and still the aircraft is not doing what is supposed to do. I still have yet to hear Boeing acknowledge their serious misjudgment in the project. It still seems that since they have other excellent aircraft, they dont really have to appologise for anything. Seriously, the Japanese airlines should buy Airbus, and besides getting an excellent aircraft, it show Boeing that loyalty cannot be blind.

The biggest thing Boeing will have a challenge with will be the trust that airlines will have in their future clean-sheet projects. Maybe that's why they are only doing warm up versions of what they already do.

Anyways, hope this does materialize for Airbus.
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