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Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:59 pm

BAs first few 787s will feature on routes to YYC, YYZ, IAD and EWR.

Although dates are as yet to be confirmed as a result of the current issues, it would appear the temporary schedule is loaded into the system for initial flights from July 16th.

I'm not sure if any of these flights are loaded into the reservations systems as of yet but the info is currently available internally.

Hopefully we will be hearing more in the next few weeks regarding actual launch dates once the battery issue is sorted out!
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:02 pm

I suspected EWR would be on the list - the 3x777 seemed like too much for EWR to support and BA has been flying the 763 into EWR the past few years as demand continued to drop, while they continued focusing on JFK.

In fact, looking at the July 30 BA schedule, they're down to just 2x777 (no 787 showing up there yet).
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting tonystan (Thread starter):
BAs first few 787s will feature on routes to YYC, YYZ, IAD and EWR.

I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class. I would have thought that the 787s will primarily be replacing 767 routes that do not have the demand for first class, such as Baltimore, Calgary and destinations in Africa.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class. I would have thought that the 787s will primarily be replacing 767 routes that do not have the demand for first class, such as Baltimore, Calgary and destinations in Africa.

With the 787 saving BA fuel I think its a good thing they plan to start with these high yielding routes. Because of the High PAX load and less fuel consumption they can make more money on these routes when compared to the 777 or the heavily fuel consuming 747... They should do a combination of 787 and 777 on these routes..Since there are already multiple 777's deployed on this route they reduce the 777 use and deploy the 787 to cut costs and make money.

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class.

BA has 2 daily flights to Toronto. The first flight is a 772 and the second flight is a 763 without first class so why should the 787 be a problem, assuming it replaces the 763? Toronto is not a major F class market.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class

I think this subject came up before. I have flown BA out of YYZ a few times on 763's , they do not offer first class.

I believe one of the factors that was discussed and would favor a 788 on a city pair is cargo demand. YYZ is such a city.

With only 214 seats , after baggage , there is space for about 16t of cargo based on typical belly cargo density.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
BA has 2 daily flights to Toronto. The first flight is a 772 and the second flight is a 763 without first class so why should the 787 be a problem, assuming it replaces the 763? Toronto is not a major F class market.

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BA 93 LHR 1215 - 1520 YYZ 1234567 767
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:20 pm

I am not surprised that BA is utulizing YYC for their 787s. The flights deaprting YYC are almost always full, or almost full. How much of a capacity increase is there from the 763 to the 788?
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:36 pm

CURRENT LONG HAUL 763 C24W24Y144

FUTURE 788 CONFIG C35W25Y154
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class

BA is the only airline currently offering First Class on EWR-LHR. Their competition (UA and VS) do not offer First Class.

In addition, BA frequently uses the 763 on one of its EWR-LHR flights and that aircraft does not have First Class either.

EWR doesn't deserve First Class - JFK does.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:53 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
EWR doesn't deserve First Class - JFK does.

Care to elaborate?

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):

So all markets will see an increase of 10J seats. That is quite a lot.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
EWR doesn't deserve First Class - JFK does.

Care to elaborate?

Sure.

The primary airline at EWR for many years (CO) did not offer First Class on EWR-LHR. The current primary airline at EWR (UA) continues to not offer First Class on EWR-LHR, though they have added First Class on a few other EWR-Europe routes.

The primary airline at EWR has determined that First Class is not required on EWR-LHR. They have also determined that narrowbody aircraft on all but one of their flights on EWR-LHR are adequate.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting planiac787 (Reply 3):
With the 787 saving BA fuel I think its a good thing they plan to start with these high yielding routes.

With the 787 having markedly better fuel economy thatn the 763, I would expect it to go on to the longer routes first, thus saving the most fuel possible.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 11):
The primary airline at EWR has determined that First Class is not required on EWR-LHR. They have also determined that narrowbody aircraft on all but one of their flights on EWR-LHR are adequate.

Just because CO determine that EWR - LHR should be a single aisle aircraft with no F, means that they not only have a relatively low passenger demand, but also that their passengers won't pay for F. Meanwhile its up to BA to make their own analysis.
Different airlines look at things in different ways, one example being that BA see a good demand for F ex LHR with most of their LHR long haul fleet featuring F, whilst VS see no viable demand for F at all.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:31 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 12):
Just because CO determine that EWR - LHR should be a single aisle aircraft with no F, means that they not only have a relatively low passenger demand, but also that their passengers won't pay for F. Meanwhile its up to BA to make their own analysis.

BA already has. They've operated the 763 on EWR-LHR quite often.

It is a bit odd that the airport serving the half of the population (roughly) of the NYC area that is west of the Hudson river doesn't have very much demand for First Class on EWR-LHR, when the other airport serving the population east of the Hudson river has a huge amount of First Class seats available.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:52 pm

Will BA use the frames that will be replaced by the 787 to open new routes or will they add capacity to high demand routes?

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:39 am

Will YYZ be the most 787 diverse, Ethiopian, LOT, BA, AC, in the future Aeroflot, Transaero, JetAirways, Korean, AirFrance/KLM possibilities maybe only NY having more..

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class. I would have thought that the 787s will primarily be replacing 767 routes that do not have the demand for first class, such as Baltimore, Calgary and destinations in Africa.

= Canada overall is a rather low yielding market. Before someone goes on some patriotic rampage, check the amount of airline that does not fly FCL to Canada. Or better yet, look at AC  .

Good choices with the 787. Only IAD is surprising to me. Losing the WB/IMF type exclusive contract must not have been good.

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:49 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 12):
With the 787 having markedly better fuel economy thatn the 763, I would expect it to go on to the longer routes first, thus saving the most fuel possible



Is it no because in the beginning BA will only have a few 787 available, both EWR and Top
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 12):
With the 787 having markedly better fuel economy thatn the 763, I would expect it to go on to the longer routes first, thus saving the most fuel possible.

Is it not because in the beginning BA will only have a limited number of 787 available and both EWR and YYZ can be served by one frame per day wheres going longer routes would require two for a return trip
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 16):
Canada overall is a rather low yielding market. Before someone goes on some patriotic rampage, check the amount of airline that does not fly FCL to Canada. Or better yet, look at AC

Nice comment, but a bit unnecessary. Nobody questioned the BA decisions (one person, not Canadian, mused about Toronto in reply 2) and I didn't get a sniff of "patriotic rampage" when reading these posts.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:51 am

Any plans to send these to Indian cities?
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:16 am

Quoting blrsea (Reply 20):

India is good yield market for BA (I know there is lot of competition on this route but still BA doing well). BOM and DEL has got good connectivity for pax traveling to US which includes first class which 787 wouldn't have so I doubt BOM or DEL will get 787 immediately. To me LHR-BLR would be better to begin with.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:50 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 13):
They've operated the 763 on EWR-LHR quite often.

Yes but only on the third flight of the day. The other two are both four class 777s.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 13):
half of the population (roughly) of the NYC area that is west of the Hudson river doesn't have very much demand for First Class on EWR-LHR

It's not that simple, and you know it is. For a start, a lot of the passengers that BA carry up front are inbound, LON originating. Needless to say most of those would go to JFK if their business was in Manhattan.

That NJ sees less premium demand than Manhattan is hardly ground breaking news, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any at all. Start with the pharmas along the turnpike...

Quoting ely747 (Reply 18):
both EWR and YYZ can be served by one frame per day

That's a good point, but I would that if that was the criterion then I would have thought that BWI, say, would be higher up the list.

To turn the "no F" argument on its head, maybe it is because EWR and YYZ are somewhat premium markets, and they want to offer the latest generation J   
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:53 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 16):
Canada overall is a rather low yielding market.

Take it easy there ! You just said a whole lotta' beef, without much bone to back it up !.....

First class is a dying breed, and this is happening worldwide, not just in Canada. The gap between Business class and First has narrowed in recent years, and people (along with companies) no longer feel the need to pay the premium for F class. Pure and simple. It has nothing to do with low yields to Canada. (which, in itself, is a false statement !)

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:59 am

I sure hope we see the 787 on the LHR-NAS-GCM route (currently a 767)
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:24 pm

The reason the "primary airline at Newark" fails to offer F to London was that historically they didn't have a product to offer!!!!
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 21):
To me LHR-BLR would be better to begin with.

Yup, I agree. I feel 787-9 will be a good fit on this role. on the few times that I have flown this route, I observed that it has decent J loads, and not much F loads, with Y getting filled up seasonally. It is a 744 right now, which I feel is a overkill for this route.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting blrsea (Reply 26):
Yup, I agree. I feel 787-9 will be a good fit on this role. on the few times that I have flown this route, I observed that it has decent J loads, and not much F loads, with Y getting filled up seasonally. It is a 744 right now, which I feel is a overkill for this route.

And no one can give even a best guesstimate as to when the B789 will be available !

At the current rate the A359 will be in service well before hand !
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 27):
And no one can give even a best guesstimate as to when the B789 will be available !

I am optimistic that 789 might be in service close to 359.   788 might be a bit short on capacity for LHR-BLR.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:44 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
In fact, looking at the July 30 BA schedule, they're down to just 2x777 (no 787 showing up there yet).

Yes, BA is dropping EWR to 2x daily.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:47 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 13):
They've operated the 763 on EWR-LHR quite often.

Yes but only on the third flight of the day. The other two are both four class 777s.

And many times they can't even get enough demand to run the third flight.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):

That NJ sees less premium demand than Manhattan is hardly ground breaking news, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any at all. Start with the pharmas along the turnpike...

I'm keeping my comments on EWR-LHR in this topic. Certainly there are some European airlines that serve EWR and do offer First Class.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 25):
The reason the "primary airline at Newark" fails to offer F to London was that historically they didn't have a product to offer!!!!

Because... the "primary airline at Newark" made the decision not to equip their aircraft with First Class.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
And many times they can't even get enough demand to run the third flight.

You'll have to excuse my 'limited' experience of operating said flights to EWR on all the various aircraft they operate (including those with First) but EWR in my opinion has always been pretty successful with good loads. I honestly have no idea of actual yield achieved but none the less its been one of those trips I assume will be chockers on ALL cabins until I turn up on the day and discover differently!!!!

Remember BA operate a a significant network east of LHR and a large percentage of passengers on the EWR are often connecting from elsewhere to EWR. This helps fill all the premium cabins also making First I'm sure popular certain flights!

Very unfair to claim EWR doesn't 'deserve' First!

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
many times they can't even get enough demand to run the third flight.

I agree. The third flight is an oddball. EWR/northern NJ is CO/UA territory, so BA will have little draw in the region, especially for corporate. Therefore a lot of their passengers are LON originating rather than EWR. Indeed, and I know this is meaningless, the three times that I've flown BA LHR-EWR I don't think I've heard a single American accent.

This comes back to the NJ v NY thing. Most people heading to NYC would go to JFK, those heading to EWR (presumably) want to go to Newark/NJ. I'm not sure that there are many people in the UK who want to go to New Jersey!

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
Certainly there are some European airlines that serve EWR and do offer First Class.

Yes, including BA.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:02 am

Canadian patriots are amusing. No wonder respected members stay away. Haha. Look at the gateways.

YVR - Does not get Asia's most premium airlines - NH or SQ. One of the last markets to see CX re-config. Indian carriers say no. KE sends old configuration. LH

YYC - BA sends a old 767. LH pulled out saying lack of premium yields.

YYZ - AF sends leisure product on many days. AY sends their 757. KE sends old configuration. Even EY sends 2 class aircraft.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:15 am

Any longhaul carrier operating into YYZ will be operating the 788! They have to save costs somehow on the astronomical fees the GTAA charges .. It is afterall, if not the most expensive airport in the world to operate into, its a close 2nd!      
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 33):
YYC - BA sends a old 767. LH pulled out saying lack of premium yields.

In fairness to BA they did launch the route with a 777 but alas it just didn't pull in its weight so they downsized to a more economical alternative. Now they are upsizing it to a far more superior product as there is clearly a market for it!
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:37 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 32):
I agree. The third flight is an oddball. EWR/northern NJ is CO/UA territory, so BA will have little draw in the region, especially for corporate. Therefore a lot of their passengers are LON originating rather than EWR. Indeed, and I know this is meaningless, the three times that I've flown BA LHR-EWR I don't think I've heard a single American accent.

Flying the route 3 times doesn't mean that you know the passenger profile or how successful the route is. Indeed, you could not possibly have heard every person on those flights speak so that is no proof of the passenger profile. EWR is a very successful and strategic city for BA. Indeed, BA recently invested heavily in the lounge product at EWR.

Also, with regards to the number of flight and aircraft type used, BA will often vary aircraft and number of flights on certain routes to match the demand. This also happens at JFK where some flights are switched between 777 and 747. LAX sees a variation in the number of flights at different times of the year, same for CPT. Across the network this happens. That does not mean that these routes are any less important.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:36 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 36):
ou could not possibly have heard every person on those flights speak

I am well aware of that, which is why I said "I know this means nothing". It was just noticeable to me, compared with BA to MIA or SFO (the other two routes BA US routes I've flown)

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 36):
EWR is a very successful and strategic city for BA

I don't dispute that, and that post should be read in conjunction with #22 when I disagree with N62NA about the importance of EWR both as an airport and the important business community (esp pharmaceuticals) in NJ.

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 36):
recently invested heavily in the lounge product at EWR.

I didn't know that, it's good to know.

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 36):
with regards to the number of flight and aircraft type used, BA will often vary aircraft and number of flights on certain routes to match the demand

Again, I'm disagreeing but from what I've heard the 3rd flight does experience softer demand than the other two.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:53 am

I can only assume that Doha and Bahrain will also see a 787 shortly.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:40 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 31):
You'll have to excuse my 'limited' experience of operating said flights to EWR on all the various aircraft they operate (including those with First) but EWR in my opinion has always been pretty successful with good loads. I honestly have no idea of actual yield achieved but none the less its been one of those trips I assume will be chockers on ALL cabins until I turn up on the day and discover differently!!!!

Remember BA operate a a significant network east of LHR and a large percentage of passengers on the EWR are often connecting from elsewhere to EWR. This helps fill all the premium cabins also making First I'm sure popular certain flights!

I always get the impression that EWR is to New York what LGW is to London for BA., i.e. a fairly low yielding port which serves as a useful channel for Avios spending.

Often when I've tried a J redemption to New York, JFK is often zeroed out and the only option is EWR.

That alone could be reason enough to maintain a EWR operation.

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:24 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 39):

Sounds like a very inefficient way to maintain a route!
I don't think BA are as fond as Exec Club and Avios any more than they are to excessive spends in at other form of marketing, it's merely a necessary evil!
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 40):
Sounds like a very inefficient way to maintain a route!

If it keeps prices and yields up on JFK, it might be a shrewd idea I guess, which might make it....

  

Quoting tonystan (Reply 40):
it's merely a necessary evil!

   Agreed 

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:17 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 39):

I can only assume that Doha and Bahrain will also see a 787 shortly.

Don't be so sure on that one.... F loads can be very good on that route!, hence being using the 17F seat config 777's.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:33 pm

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 33):
Canadian patriots are amusing. No wonder respected members stay away. Haha. Look at the gateways.

YVR - Does not get Asia's most premium airlines - NH or SQ. One of the last markets to see CX re-config. Indian carriers say no. KE sends old configuration. LH

YYC - BA sends a old 767. LH pulled out saying lack of premium yields.

YYZ - AF sends leisure product on many days. AY sends their 757. KE sends old configuration. Even EY sends 2 class aircraft.

No more amusing than any other country's "patriots". Do you have a source for your "leisure product" comments?

As has been mentioned, first class is a dying breed and many airlines are moving towards hybrid models of , economy, premium economy and J class configurations, a la AC. Your analysis of Canada's hubs is also interesting considering EK, 9W, TK to name a few all fly their premium products to YYZ, and soon Egyptair, Aeroflot, and Saudi will be doing the same.

KE is looking to upgauge YVR to their A380 as well.
 
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:24 pm

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 42):
Don't be so sure on that one.... F loads can be very good on that route!, hence being using the 17F seat config 777's.

You quoted the wrong person.

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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:34 pm

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 42):
Don't be so sure on that one.... F loads can be very good on that route!, hence being using the 17F seat config 777's.

I think it's a 767 at present.
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 2):
I find YYZ, IAD and EWR surprising.

BA's 787s will not have first class, so by serving these destinations with the 787 the cities will lose first class.

I think most passengers do not realize how awful the 787 is to fly in. They only hear the hype and do not realize that an old hat 772 is more comfortable, at least until they convert them to 10 abreast. Passengers may even pay extra to take a 787 instead of a 777 initially.
 
N62NA
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:39 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 37):

I don't dispute that, and that post should be read in conjunction with #22 when I disagree with N62NA about the importance of EWR both as an airport and the important business community (esp pharmaceuticals) in NJ.

To clarify: I'm happy that at least BA offers F on EWR-LHR. At least somebody does!

What is interesting is that if EWR were of the same "stature" as JFK, BA would never offer a flight that doesn't have F. That's the crux of my point.
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flyyul
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:40 pm

Quoting ACT7 (Reply 43):
No more amusing than any other country's "patriots". Do you have a source for your "leisure product" comments?

As has been mentioned, first class is a dying breed and many airlines are moving towards hybrid models of , economy, premium economy and J class configurations, a la AC. Your analysis of Canada's hubs is also interesting considering EK, 9W, TK to name a few all fly their premium products to YYZ, and soon Egyptair, Aeroflot, and Saudi will be doing the same.

KE is looking to upgauge YVR to their A380 as well.

It's very true. Canada is a good business class but not a very good F class market.

BA sends non-F aircraft to YYC/YUL/YYZ
LH sends non-F to YVR/YYZ in the winter
AF no more F cls to Canada (incl YUL)
CX sends 2 cls airplane to YYZ/YVR (no F)

You will often hear carriers like LH/LX complain about the lack of F demand in Canada

Canada is not a country with a large number of ultra-wealthy that can buy these types of fare
 
scrappy27
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RE: Initial BA 787 Routes.

Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:22 pm

Apologies Blue Shamu....

and BestWestern it defintely isn't on the 767 at present. Its 777.

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