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Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:18 am

I've just noticed that Qantas's fleet of 747-400 is slowly becoming smaller. Does anyone know how many are left in their fleet and which ones are due for retirement? Does anyone also have photos of the ones parked in storage and what has happened to some of them? I'm aware that in the next few days another of their 747 is about to leave the fleet.

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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:28 am

There would seem to be 17 Frames left, you can check the rego's out from an unofficial sight www.theqantassource.com, this will help your answers.
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:42 am

Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made, so they will be around until 2020. They were delivered at the turn of the century.
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting fab747 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how many are left in their fleet and which ones are due for retirement?

The plan was to retire all B744s EXCEPT for the 6 B744ERs and the last 3 B744s (RR engines) by next year. These nine will be around until about 2020 when the next order of A380s should be arriving.
The reality may well be different, who knows with QF.

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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:13 am

In summary, the most recent 744 to be retired was VH-OJD. Others that have already gone are OJB, OJF, OJG, OJH, OJK, OJN, OJO, OJP, OJQ and OJR. OJJ has been removed from service but currently remains in Sydney.

The remaining birds are OJA, OJC, OJE, OJI, OJL, OJM, OJS, OJT, OJU and the 6 ER's (OEE-OEJ).
146, 319, 320, 332, 333, 380, 717, 733, 734, 73H, 743, 744, 752, 763, 772, 77W, 788, AT7, CR7, DH1, DHT, EM2
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:27 am

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
The remaining birds are OJA, OJC, OJE, OJI, OJL, OJM, OJS, OJT, OJU and the 6 ER's (OEE-OEJ).

So VH-OJA, C, E, I, L & M are to go in the next year or so. VH-OJS, T & U and the 6 ERs are DUE to stay until after the next batch of A380s arrives around 2018.

Thanks Dan.

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Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:33 am

Before we are corrected....the odd-ball 744 (ex Asiana) VH-OEB is also still in QF service and will probably be retired along with the others in the coming year or so.
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:01 am

For all any questions like this there are sites with dedicated information.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Qantas.htm
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Qantas

I was rather surprised to see VH-OJA at SYD last week.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:36 am

Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

Does it have something to do with the maintenance schedule of each aircraft, or the fact that they have the new interiors?
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:20 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):

Does it have something to do with the maintenance schedule of each aircraft, or the fact that they have the new interiors?

Yes & Yes and other factors too. They decide which aircraft will cost the most to keep compared to its earning potential, the loser gets the chop. Cold, but good business decision making.

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Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:54 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
VH-OJH has been retired

That is also the aircraft that was heavily damaged in a runway overrun at old BKK.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:58 am

In late January VH-OJB,OJF, OJN and OJP were stored intact at Victorville. VH-OJG and OJH are at Marana where they are being broken up. I think one or two more may have joined them since then, including OJD.
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:02 pm

What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details?
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:41 pm

Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details?


The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site:
www.aussieairliners.org

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

It wont be 777 (unless QF lease them, which I suspect wont happen), it wont be A380 as there are no more projected into the fleet before 2018, the first lot of 787's are expected to go to JQ, so for the conceivable future it will be the 744ER. However, having said all that, planning at QF at this point is very fluid.
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:04 pm

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
or the fact that they have the new interiors?

The new interiors are only fitted to the 9 aircraft that will remain in the fleet until the end of the decade. The reason for this is that they're relatively new - OJS and OJT were delivered in 1999, OJU in 2000. The 6 ERs were delivered in 2002 and 2003. I believe aircraft depreciation laws in Australia have something to do with keeping them also.

All the rest were delivered between 1989 and 1992, so they're on the way out.

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Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
I was rather surprised to see VH-OJA at SYD last week.
Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

We flew on VH-OJA QF108 JFK-LAX last night... She looked tired...

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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
OJJ has been removed from service but currently remains in Sydney.

I am sitting at Sydney Airport at the moment waiting for a flight, and I can see VH-OJJ sitting on the tarmac with a plain red tail and no titles.

I suspect she won't be taking up real estate at SYD for much longer by the look of her.
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:06 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site

Unfortunately I couldn't find anything...

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have

Off the top of my head they are in the 90-100,000 hour range. The reason this is slightly lower than, say, LH is that Euro carriers used theirs more intensively. Whereas 1 frame could do, say, FRA-ORD-FRA easily within 24 hours with only a few hours down time, QF's aircraft often sat for 12+ hours at LHR/LAX etc

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

The 74Es will be around until the end of the decade
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:39 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details
Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site:
www.aussieairliners.org
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
Unfortunately I couldn't find anything

My assumption was you were talking hours on retired ac. If that is correct, then the referenced site gives you those detail for each QF retired 747. e.g
OJB 94509, OJF 86641, OJG 100612, OJH 89881 , OJK 83760, OJN 94727, OJP ???, OJR 78442
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting q747400 (Reply 1):
Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made,

And the only 744ERs built.
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

OJA underwent heavy maintenance in mid-2011, so presumably has longer until she is due to have more money spent on her than other aircraft.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
including OJD.

She arrived at VCV on March 7th -- so sad to see her go (she was the first QF aircraft I ever flew on 17 years ago).

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

Nothing until 2016-17, when they could either go to the 789 (presumably with more than the current single daily flight) or use the new 562t A380s that are supposed to start arriving in 2016 as well.
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:01 am

I personally still find it odd OEB is still in service, I would have thought it would have went with the other two ugly sisters at the very start of the 744 retirements.

I wonder if VH-OJA is in line for a life in preservation after retirement?
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:04 am

Quoting BA174 (Reply 22):
I wonder if VH-OJA is in line for a life in preservation after retirement?

Probably not, unfortunately. They've already got a 742 up in Longreach and I doubt they'd ever try to land something that big there ever again

(perhaps they will have extended/widened the runway by the time that Nancy Bird is retired )
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):

I would love to see an Intrepid style museum on the harbour with OJA, a restored 707 and the Avro that's sitting (or used to be, it's been ages since I last saw it) in SYD T3.   
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting BA174 (Reply 22):
I personally still find it odd OEB is still in service, I would have thought it would have went with the other two ugly sisters at the very start of the 744 retirements.

OEB appears to be the aircraft of choice for the "captains choice tours"
www.captainschoice.com.au

because of its low density configuration, so it is earning its keep.
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:56 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
Off the top of my head they are in the 90-100,000 hour range. The reason this is slightly lower than, say, LH is that Euro carriers used theirs more intensively. Whereas 1 frame could do, say, FRA-ORD-FRA easily within 24 hours with only a few hours down time, QF's aircraft often sat for 12+ hours at LHR/LAX etc

I figured they would be quite low, CXs 744s are in the 115-120,000 hour mark and 16,000+ cycles.

It's unlucky they weren't offered for BCF conversions when the time was right, but that ship has sailed I guess.

[Edited 2013-03-27 00:00:54]
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:36 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made,

The last 6 744s made for Qantas. But they were not the last 6 400s to come out of the production line, Boeing still delivered more pax 744s to other airlines after the last one was delivered to Qantas.

And like Viscount724 mentions, they were the only 6 744ERs Boeing has ever built. Only Qantas flies them. Those will be the ones that will soldier on till the end of the decade, at least 2018, and the last ones to leave the fleet. I don't think Qantas will order the 747-8i.

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Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:00 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 27):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made,

The last 6 744s made for Qantas. But they were not the last 6 400s to come out of the production line, Boeing still delivered more pax 744s to other airlines after the last one was delivered to Qantas.

8 passenger 744s (4 to CI, 2 to TG, 1 to VS, 1 to leasing company ILFC) and 79 freighters were delivered after the last QF 744ER.
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:15 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
79 freighters were delivered after the last QF 744ER.

I thought some of these freighters were B744ERF?

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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:52 pm

Does anyone know when VH-OJJ will fly out for storage?
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Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:09 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 29):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
79 freighters were delivered after the last QF 744ER.

I thought some of these freighters were B744ERF?

That 79 number includes all 744 freighters, including ERFs, delivered after the last QF 744ER.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:06 am

NOO OJD is retired? I really have to catch up on Qantas source!  
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:24 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 29):
79 freighters were delivered after the last QF 744ER.
I thought some of these freighters were B744ERF?

Boeing is a bit norty calling the freighter an ERF as most of the 744ER mods aren't carried out on the ERF.
I like to think of the ERF as standing for Extended Revenue Freighter.  
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:27 am

Quoting fab747 (Reply 30):
Does anyone know when VH-OJJ will fly out for storage?

It's been parked for almost 3 weeks now, and still at YSSY today (Fri PM Sydney time)
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 34):

Quoting fab747 (Reply 30):
Does anyone know when VH-OJJ will fly out for storage?

It's been parked for almost 3 weeks now, and still at YSSY today (Fri PM Sydney time)

Was interesting on arrival into SYD to witness -OJJ sitting in the exact same spot when we departed SYD 2 weeks ago, on the 14th of March to be exact... Top it off she was suppose to depart SYD on the 14th of March...

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Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
And the only 744ERs built.

For passenger service. They made I think 40 744ERFs.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 27):
Those will be the ones that will soldier on till the end of the decade, at least 2018

Correction: 2016-17 is when the next two A380s are supposed to arrive: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ars-but-expands-domestic-capacity/

That assumes that it isn't brought forward, particularly for DFW service. They have no other planes on order which might be used for it except the 787-8s going to JQ.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

It's really anyone's guess. The CEO seems still keen on the 787 but not quite keen enough to actually order the aircraft. 777 - no way. 380 - my bet. A dark horse might be QF damp leasing 787-8s from JQ, although I doubt this. A more likely use of the 787-8 to DFW would be by JQ from BNE. Possibly. Someone will probably say that won't happen though.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:17 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 36):
It's really anyone's guess. The CEO seems still keen on the 787 but not quite keen enough to actually order the aircraft. 777 - no way. 380 - my bet. A dark horse might be QF damp leasing 787-8s from JQ, although I doubt this. A more likely use of the 787-8 to DFW would be by JQ from BNE. Possibly. Someone will probably say that won't happen though.

Happy to take the honours! BNE-DFW is too long (and hence expensive to operate) for JQ to profit on, and doesn't fit their O&D based model.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:21 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 37):
BNE-DFW is too long (and hence expensive to operate) for JQ to profit on, and doesn't fit their O&D based model.

  

Beyond anything else, we have to question how many people would be willing to spend 16 hours on JQ. Having flown DFW-BNE before I can quite happily say that I would never even considered it had it been JQ.

Secondly, we've got to remember that O&D between Australia and Texas is pretty minimal. This flights lives for connections with AA. For that to be effective it needs to be QF under the AA JBA. JQ doesn't even interline with QF, let alone a third party airline.

Thirdly, to make a ULH route work their has to be decent premium yields. JQ could never lift those.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:50 pm

what's the oldest 747 is current QF fleet? Someone told me 1991.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 39):
what's the oldest 747 is current QF fleet? Someone told me 1991.

OJA Feb 89, OJC Jul 89 and OJE Sep 89. These are the dates they rolled off the production line, cheers.
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:37 am

The current odd ball of the B744 fleet VH-OEB will have its current low density config changed into a 14/52/32/255 config in July.

This will reduce the total B744 configs to 3:

14/52/32/255
56/40/275
58/36/270

Thanks
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:42 am

Is the need for first class to fly SYD-HKG?
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 41):
The current odd ball of the B744 fleet VH-OEB will have its current low density config changed into a 14/52/32/255 config in July.

This will reduce the total B744 configs to 3:

14/52/32/255
56/40/275
58/36/270

Thanks

Why bother reconfiguring the one odd ball of the B744 fleet? Sounds as though VH-OEB will be utilised as a gap filler in the event of an A380 substitution.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:42 am

Hi,

OJL, OJM, and OEB will be in the 14/52/32/255 config. The remaining B744s will all be in the two 3 class configs.

I suspect SYD-HKG-SYD will become daily A380 once the A380 re config program is finished as this will free up 1 A380 frame.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:50 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 44):
Hi,

OJL, OJM, and OEB will be in the 14/52/32/255 config. The remaining B744s will all be in the two 3 class configs.

I suspect SYD-HKG-SYD will become daily A380 once the A380 re config program is finished as this will free up 1 A380 frame.

After watching an interview with AJ, he indicated a 10% capacity increase on the HKG route... From my understanding the evening QF87 SYD-HKG service is to be dropped... Interesting to know where the increase in capacity with a drop in frequencies...?

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:15 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
From my understanding the evening QF87 SYD-HKG service is to be dropped

Looks like it already has been.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
After watching an interview with AJ, he indicated a 10% capacity increase on the HKG route

Probably referring to re-configurations of the A380 which add about 10% capacity.

Previous capacity appears:
3x 744 (353) = 1059
4x 380 (450) = 1800
4x 333 (299) = 1196
Total: 4055 seats per week

New capacity will be:
7x 380 (484) = 3388 seats per week.

He's obviously not counting QF87/88 in that.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:32 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
After watching an interview with AJ, he indicated a 10% capacity increase on the HKG route... From my understanding the evening QF87 SYD-HKG service is to be dropped... Interesting to know where the increase in capacity with a drop in frequencies...?

I imagine he's talking about local capacity rather than overall capacity, which means it's just capacity that was previously occupied by European traffic being freed up for local traffic. I imagine that there was a decent amount of traffic travelling through HKG to FCO, which will all be headed through DXB now.
 
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RE: Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:21 pm

Well VH-OJJ now leaving the fleet 9th April! Another sad day for a beautiful Qantas 747-400! Hope to see photos of her on her departure on this site.

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