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All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:52 am

The Biman / Hajj thread got me thinking - there are a few widebody types that have never operated all economy - A340 (all variants), 777 (all variants), A380 (of course), 767 (afaik). Does anyone know better?

Types that are all Y are -
A300 and A310 Mahan Air, Iran Air
DC-10 Biman Bangladesh, THY, World Airways,
747 Tower? Corsair? various Hajj

I don't mean high density but with three rows of business or even some weird leisure "Club Transat" product at the front (or upstairs) - I'm looking for a widebody where row 1 looks the same as row 42 (which puts even the aforementioned Air Transat, Thomas Cook, Austral et al out of the picture).

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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
767 (afaik).

Plenty of charter 767s have operated in all-Economy configurations. One example, Titan Airways of the UK:

http://www.titan-airways.com/fleet/boeing-767-300er.html
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:27 am

Air Berlin's A330-300s are all economy.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):

Doesn't Omni operate two or three 777s in an all-economy layout?
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Plenty of charter 767s have operated in all-Economy configurations. One example, Titan Airways of the UK:

Australian Airlines (AO) also operated 4-5 single class 763ERs before they were shut down in favour of JQ in 2006.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:35 am

The late ATA's L1011s were all Y

http://www.departedflights.com/TZL100596.html
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:29 am

PK 743's are in a 503 seat Economy setting.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:11 am

Thomas Cook Airlines / Condor have 767s in all Y I think about 300 seats.
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:46 am

AM and MX operated their DC-10-15s in all Y seating.
MX had 315 seats on them.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:56 am

Orbest A333 are all economy, and I think Air Pullmantur B747´s are all economy as well, both of them have operated for Garuda hajj season in the previous years... many charter airlines have all economy configuration, so they can lease some of them now that summer season has not yet started in Europe....
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting YYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Thomas Cook Airlines / Condor have 767s in all Y I think about 300 seats.

No, Condor has got 3 rows of "Comfort Class" in a 2-2-2 configuration.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:22 am

Monarch A300 is in all Y, 361 seats, pitch 28-29"...
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:08 pm

Air Berlin had three A333s in all-Economy configuration, with 387 seats.These only flew high-demand shorthaul or mid-haul routes, to PMI or the Canaries or AYT.

They got rid of them earlier this year though.

Their A332s used on longhaul always had a Business cabin, and still do.

Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 10):
No, Condor has got 3 rows of "Comfort Class" in a 2-2-2 configuration.

And also a "Premium Economy" cabin with the same seats as Y, but 5 inches extra pitch.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:39 pm

Despite cramming 580 seats in their 744s, Corsair International does have 24 J seats in the hump. Having experienced the Y in their previous similarly filled 743s, it's very tight !
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:51 pm

World's DC-10s and MD-11s are all economy. North American 767s are as well.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:13 pm

L-1011s have operated in all Y configuration with Caledonian, Worldways, American Trans Air, Court Line, LTU... In a standard Tristar, you could cram as many as 400 passengers.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:22 pm

JL and NH operate all economy 773s on domestic routes, right?
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:32 pm

Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 16):
JL and NH operate all economy 773s on domestic routes, right?

No. There is a Business Class section on NH's 777 and Class J/First Class on some of JL 777.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:00 pm

One of El Al's B747-400, 4X-ELH, has all ecomony main deck and business class only on the upper deck (C26 Y429 - 455 total)


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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
A380 (of course)

UU has stated that their 380 order will be in an all Y-config, but that order is in the "I'll believe it when I see it" pile.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:36 pm

I flew an all-Y L1011 BOS-CUN (with fuel stop in Florida...MIA?) in 1994. Can't remember the operator, but it was a package trip (spring break!) and charter of some sort. I remember the interior being barn-like with smaller overheads and lots of "space" due to the full economy layout.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 18):
One of El Al's B747-400, 4X-ELH, has all ecomony main deck and business class only on the upper deck (C26 Y429 - 455 total)

About ten years ago, I flew on an all-economy (including upper deck) LY 744. I can't remember if it was 4X-ELA, B or C, but it definitely had economy upstairs as well.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:16 pm

NWA used an all Y config on their 747-200 for a while (might have been the 100) operating flights from NRT to beach markets (ROR, GUM, HNL,SPN). I have been told that serving the 5 option breakfast a la carte to 500+ paxmwas quite a joy.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:25 pm

In the old days, Condor and LTU had the 767s in all-Y configuration. Comfort Class, premium-Y etc came later.

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Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:48 pm

I remember flying on Air France 747 (-100 or -200, don't know which) from Orly to Guadeloupe in the late 70s. It was all-economy, and they did not even have food service aboard - you had to take a picnic baggie with you - and of course all the kids ate everything in the first hour...
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:58 pm

CP Air often changed configurations of their 747-200s from F/Y to all-Y. They often operated all-Y to Hawaii in the winter and on their extensive charter services (mainly Canada-UK) in the summer. I believe AC also operated all-Y 747-100s on certain leisure routes, sometimes on a seasonal basis.

Wardair's aircraft, including their 747s and DC-10s, were all-Y originally. They added J class around the time they converted from charter to scheduled services.

Many other charter/leisure carriers operated all-Y widebodies and some still do.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:06 pm

The Air Cebu A330-300 will feature 436 seats, delivery slated for July.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:12 pm

I believe Air Inter in France were going to operate their A330s in an all economy layout, I think with about 400 seats. They were to replace the A300s. I don't know whether they did or not, they got rid of them quite quickly after taking delivery of them.

I flew on an Airtours 767 with 327 seats from MAN-CUN, needed to be crow-barred out of the seat
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 19):
UU has stated that their 380 order will be in an all Y-config, but that order is in the "I'll believe it when I see it" pile.

Last year, an UU spokesman said they will drop the all Y-config if they continue with the A380. They figured out that they cannot fill those 840 seats.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:56 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
Wardair's aircraft, including their 747s and DC-10s, were all-Y originally.

Wardair DC-10s were delivered in a confortable Y301-seats configuration, quite a change from the 345 or even 380 with others charter companies' like World, Laker, and other europeans.

Quoting bx737 (Reply 27):
I believe Air Inter in France were going to operate their A330s in an all economy layout, I think with about 400 seats.

They operated four A330. They were configured for 412 seats.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/29/bu...ce-suspends-use-of-airbus-jet.html

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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:03 pm

Quoting YYCFlyer (Reply 7):

TCX and TOM both operate 763's in 328Y.

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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:28 am

I believe Onur air of turkey operates A300 & 310 all y class, unless they had y+ up front?
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:28 am

LTU and Martinair MD11.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:41 am

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 21):
About ten years ago, I flew on an all-economy (including upper deck) LY 744. I can't remember if it was 4X-ELA, B or C, but it definitely had economy upstairs as well.

LY's first 3 B744s sent with YCL upper deck, but with FCL & JCL on the main deck. Upper deck changed to JCL in 1998.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:40 am

Quoting cedarjet (Thread starter):
The Biman / Hajj thread got me thinking - there are a few widebody types that have never operated all economy - A340 (all variants), 777 (all variants), A380 (of course), 767 (afaik). Does anyone know better?

I've ridden on an all Y North American 763. Most have a few rows of business but this one was Y from nose to tail.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:17 am

Quoting bx737 (Reply 27):
I believe Air Inter in France were going to operate their A330s in an all economy layout, I think with about 400 seats. They were to replace the A300s.

They did. I flew on one, June 1994, ORY-Marseilles. Outstanding performance upon takeoff.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:49 am

Quoting ca (Reply 32):
LTU and Martinair MD11.

AFAIK MP had 24 Star Class seats in its MD11
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:26 am

Aer Lingus ran their ex Lufthansa 747-130 EI-BED in a Y468 config for some time... I flew DUB-JFK on it once - quite pleasant
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:58 am

Transavia A310-200, Martinair's A310s where in all Y as well MP's B747-200's flew in all Y config.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:15 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 19):
UU has stated that their 380 order will be in an all Y-config, but that order is in the "I'll believe it when I see it" pile.

I think UU cancelled this order.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 23):
In the old days, Condor and LTU had the 767s in all-Y configuration. Comfort Class, premium-Y etc came later.

and in the very old days Condor must have been the very first leisure carrier to operate B747-100. If my memory serves me right, "Max" and "Moritz" had 470 Y seats each.

LTU had their L1011s all Y as well. They flew DUS-PMI, sometimes several rotarions each in the summer. Other routes as well of course.
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting ca (Reply 32):

Finnair operated one of their MD11s in all Economy layout for a while in the 1990s.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:28 pm

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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting nicode (Reply 39):
I think UU cancelled this order.

While they were rumored to be cancelling the order last year the order is still in Airbus's orderbook. That said, like others mentioned, unless things turn around for UU I don't really see them taking the A380 (they couldn't even afford to take delivery of their last 77L).
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:34 pm

In the 1990's one of Finnair's MD-11s had an all-economy configuration with 407 seats for a while, it was used for charter flights to the Gran Canaries and to the Mediterranean.
 
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RE: All-Economy Widebodies

Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:38 pm

IIRC, I flew an all-Y Lloyd Aereo Boliviano A310 on a regularly scheduled flight (VVI-GRU). It was tight too, with 9-abreast seating (3-3-3), and not a lot of legroom.
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