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Air Méditerranée A321 300m Off Runway End At LYS

Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:20 pm

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A Hermes Airlines Airbus A321-100 on behalf of Air Méditerranée, registration SX-BHS performing flight ML-7817 from Agadir (Morocco) to Lyon (France) with 174 passengers and 7 crew, overran the end of the runway 36R while landing at Lyon at about 20:50L (19:50Z) and came to a stop just before the localizer antenna about 300 meters past the runway end with all gear on soft ground. No injuries are being reported.

The airport was closed for about 2.5 hours. The aircraft is estimated to be removed the following day, the runway remains closed until the aircraft has been towed to the apron.

The airport confirmed the aircraft overran the end of runway B by about 300 meters while landing in thick fog and got stuck in deep mud. Heavy equipment will be needed to move the aircraft back onto paved surface.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45ff32de&opt=0

Quite the overrun, thankfully there was enough space !
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:22 pm

Wow, looks messy. Has the aircraft sunk into the mud, or is it the camera angle? Glad all are safe...  
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:32 pm

Looks like the nose gear has been ripped off or removed

According to radio news 7 passengers are being treated in hospital for shock.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:37 pm

No all gears look fine. I've seen an image from the other side where it's clearer, I'll try to find it.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:38 pm

Looks like 'one of those things' - rotten weather/visibility, but thankfully no deaths/injuries. Well done to the crew, best wishes to all involved, glad you all 'made it'.........
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:44 pm

Thanks god all survived. However such incedences would no longer occur if ROPS were installed.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:48 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):
Looks like 'one of those things' - rotten weather/visibility

One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:54 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):

As an airline pilot I understand that we all have bad days, what I don't understand is some peoples decision making. I would say well done to the cabin crew for keeping people calm. If this was an auto land equipment failure, or equipment failure in general, I would say well done to the pilots, but if this was just an error in judgement and a completely botched landing, then I would not say well done, I would say what were you thinking? Unless that plane was on fire, there is never a good reason to see a plane off a runway! Period!

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?

You could be right, by738. But Lyon is a pretty good airport, as far as I know the only possibly 'better-equipped' alternates in that part of the world would have been Paris or Geneva?
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:15 pm

The aircraft is registered in Greece, the crew is probably under a greek contract, and French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 5):
However such incedences would no longer occur if ROPS were installed.
Quoting Azure (Reply 9):
French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...

Please guys, explain what you both mean by 'ROPS' and 'social dumping.'

Both terms are 'news' to me - and, I suspect, news to most other A.netters.

Please tell us how such concepts may have led to this accident?
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?

It's a bit early to tell, but Lyon is a very well equipped airport with CAT II / III low-visibility approach capability as far as I remember. If weather was really bad, maybe they could have requested the longer runway 36L which has 4000 m of runway available, instead of the 2670 m of runway 36R. That being said, it's always easy to be after-smart.

Quoting Azure (Reply 9):
The aircraft is registered in Greece, the crew is probably under a greek contract, and French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...

Well, these critics might not be completely wrong but the same can be said about so many other companies operating in France. Air Méditerranée, Aigle Azur and Ryan Air are also doing social dumping according to my standards....
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:43 pm

Come on, guys, it's too early to make any conclusions -and the French sites are quite bad in this respect.

ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times  
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:07 pm

Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):
ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times

Leaves me 'lost in space,' Pihero. As an amateur, I've done my share of 'half-light' landings - thankfully no 'full dark' ones.

I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?

     

No, it's not a con, just an expression of some sexual phantasms   
To be really serious, ROPS is a development of the BTV - brake to vacate - function of the A380 avionics... and contrary to my phatasm, it's a male very British voice - you know the queen's English - that says 3Runway too short !!!

Here is a complete and simple description of the *thing* , with illustrations :

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/le...he-a380-shows-off-airbus-clev.html
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:38 pm

I made a cap of the 13h TV news :



And of course the database has already a picture :


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Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:45 pm

Is the plane a write-off? Just a matter of cleaning it up? Somewhere in the middle? Does anybody have a view on how much damage can have been sustained and what it will take to have this baby back in the air?
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:00 pm

Doesn't look like this would be a write-off, as the landing gears didn't collapse I doubt there's any damage caused to anything other than tires and maybe lower parts of landing gears.
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:09 pm

Depends what stresses were experienced during the over-run. It's 16 years old, if there's anything major then I suspect it's worth more in pieces.


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Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:24 pm

Same accident,same airline ,same aircraft type but another airport : Air Mediterranee A321 at Paris CDG on Feb 9th 2009, overran runway

An Air Mediterranee Airbus A321-200, registration F-GYAJ performing flight DR-8177 (departing Feb 8th) from Dakar (Senegal) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 221 passengers and 8 crew, overran the runway end at Paris Charles de Gaulle and got stuck on the runway while landing at CDG in light snowfall around 0:20 local (23:20Z Feb 8th). The passengers could disembark about one hour later onto the runway and were bussed to the terminal. No injuries occured, the aircraft received substantial damage.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:27 pm

The flight originated from Dakar.
Maybe the pilot thought he was flying a bush plane   
Judging by the dirt, it looks like it.
Nice when such a mishap ends like this.

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Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):

Made my day   

I´d suspect that the a/c may have experienced substantial structural damage that is not visible at first glance ...
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
A Hermes Airlines Airbus A321-100 on behalf of Air Méditerrané

Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France? BTW. what's the main focus (routes etc.) of Hermes Airlines?
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 22):
Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France?

Because Hermes is a Greek company. In the Greek mythology, Hermes was a god, of transitions and boundaries from what I've read.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 22):
Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France? BTW. what's the main focus (routes etc.) of Hermes Airlines?

Hermes Airlines is a subsidiary of Air Méditerranée, I would suspect this was done to reduce costs in some way, as there has been some labour unrest between the French and Greek divisions of the company. Their main focus appears to be wet leasing Air Méditerranée aircraft back to Air Méditerranée!!

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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:01 pm

How about mud in the engines. How bad is that? Can you clean that up?
 
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RE: Air Méditerranée A321 300m Off Runway End At LYS

Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
Looks like the nose gear has been ripped off or removed

According to radio news 7 passengers are being treated in hospital for shock.
Quoting a380900 (Reply 16):
Is the plane a write-off? Just a matter of cleaning it up? Somewhere in the middle? Does anybody have a view on how much damage can have been sustained and what it will take to have this baby back in the air?

It just seems like there was a lot of wet mud thrown up over the aircraft, i don't see any visible damage from the photo's.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:41 pm

Quoting a380900 (Reply 16):
Is the plane a write-off?
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 18):
Depends what stresses were experienced during the over-run.
Quoting a380900 (Reply 25):
How about mud in the engines. How bad is that? Can you clean that up?

One has to be careful viewing these pictures : the only one so far that's useful is the TV shot Aesma showed on # 15 : It is clear that :

1/- the mud wasn't more than 15 cm deep as one can clearly see the nosewheel rim and less clearly the main gear tyres. the other pictures are misleading because the aircraft is in a dip, the edge of which hides the gears, - see the yellow vehicle on the same picture which seems really sunk in the mud, which is clearly not the case.

2/- the reverse doors are closed, which make me think that the engines were still running whan they eventually came to a stop. Some of the mud flow pattern cannot be anything than projected mud from the reverse thrust.

3/- The same picture shows the bottom of the engines clear of the grass.

So...I do not think that there were very important stresses, be they on the landing gear, the wing -to- gear attachment or the wing itself.

On the other hand, I think these engines will be taken down and thoroughly examined.
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