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AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:56 pm

What routes will possibly get upgrades to mainline from eagle over the summer?

What cities and routes will they possibly add?

Will any existing mainline routes get larger upgrades?

So far there
DFW-LBB and DFW-CRP

Also, ORD-IND

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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):
What routes will possibly get upgrades to mainline from eagle over the summer?

Most probably not this summer, but at some point I'd love for AA mainline to return to CVG         
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 1):
Most probably not this summer, but at some point I'd love for AA mainline to return to CVG

I think the writing is on the wall for that. AA will soon have the critical mass to support mainline flights to basically every major market in the country, especially to overpriced legacy hubs like CVG where they won't have to undercut fares by much if at all...
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:43 am

Also announced:
SAN-MIA
ORD-PDX
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:09 am

Maybe not an upgrade, but I'd love to see MYR-DFW and ISP service come back with the merger

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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:33 am

Maybe PDX-JFK and PDX-MIA.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:25 am

I'd like to see a return of SJC-JFK and SJC-BOS, but unfortunately am not holding my breath.

Likewise, with the A319 I'd like to see DFW-OAK, DFW-BUR, DFW-LGB, DFW-BFL, DFW-SBA, DFW-BOI, DFW-GEG and a seasonal DFW-BLI. But again, I'm not holding my breath.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:39 am

ISP would be interesting. I hear PenAir is to start service back on the old Eagle route(from BizEx), ISP-BOS. With US feed flying PHL and DCA, maybe post merger ISP will see more service.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:56 am

Still waiting on AUS-MIA...many years later.

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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:02 am

Perhaps AA will look at returning to PVD as there was some rumbling in the past to that effect. A large pool of Southern NE population and businesses awaits. Given the battering AA has taken at BOS to the North, it may be a way to recapture lost passengers.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:08 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 8):
Still waiting on AUS-MIA...many years later.

I was saying the same thing about SAN (to MIA) up until about a month ago, so don't give up -- keep the faith! I honestly expect AUS will be the next mainline route to be added from AA's S Florida hub.

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Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:12 am

I'm still waiting for AA to launch NRT-MIA.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:52 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 1):
Most probably not this summer, but at some point I'd love for AA mainline to return to CVG

I think the writing is on the wall for that. AA will soon have the critical mass to support mainline flights to basically every major market in the country, especially to overpriced legacy hubs like CVG where they won't have to undercut fares by much if at all...

You would think with 6-7 daily ERJ's on CVG-DFW it would be a prime candidate for an upgauge to mainline, but I've been waiting for quite a while, here's to hoping though!
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):
You would think with 6-7 daily ERJ's on CVG-DFW it would be a prime candidate for an upgauge to mainline, but I've been waiting for quite a while, here's to hoping though!

Maybe they may re-start the PHX-CVG route as well. That's a route that some people were trying to get US to start after DL cut it.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:28 pm

Any chance of a return of DFW-BUF/ROC/SYR?
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:34 pm

Would love to see LAX-MSY or perhaps JFK-MSY for obvious reasons.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:47 pm

For RDU, I could see the following..

DCA - from 15/16 daily to 8 daily mix of E70/319
LGA - Maintain 8 daily mixed E70/CR7/319
ORD - 4 to 5 daily MD80/319/CR7/E70 mix
LAX unchanged
CLT unchanged
PIT unchanged
PHL 319/738/CR7 mix
DFW MD80/321 mix
MIA unchanged
LHR unchanged
PHX return? 1x
JFK up to 5x CRJ/CR7 mix
LAS?
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 8):
Still waiting on AUS-MIA...many years later.

Cheers,

Cameron

still can't believe this one has never been started. Hopefully soon!

I for one would just like to see at least one daily mainline flight to DFW from CID  
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
I'd like to see a return of SJC-JFK and SJC-BOS, but unfortunately am not holding my breath.

SJC-BOS youll never see unless AA drops its cornerstone strategy.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting aeroc (Reply 14):

I know BUF had a DFW route------when was ROC-DFW & SYR-DFW operated?
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:41 pm

I'd like to see DFW-RST return 1x daily ERJ, but I'd say it's unlikely. AA started the route in June of 2005 and I don't recall that it stuck around for a long time.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:45 pm

I'd like to see service to Lincoln, NE and Branson, MO, two markets I am somewhat surprised are missing from Eagle's midwestern network.

Going forward I hope the new AA expands away from their cornerstone strategy and adds some point to points back, such as SFO-BOS, SFO-STL, etc.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:54 pm

I would argue the cornerstone strategy is going to be even more utilized here.. uS cut most of their P2P routes under Parker and I could see the same with the new AA..

I predict the cornerstones will be:

DFW (LatAm gateway)
MIA (caribe SoAm gateway)
ORD (Midwest gateway)
LAX (pacific gateway)
CLT (southern hub)
PHL (northern gateway)
DCA (what I call the government hub)

Focus:
LGA (business markets)
JFK (international)
PHX (until eventual downgrade)
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:20 pm

AA left SBN for the second time in 2003 during the big STL downsizing (the first time in 2000 was to ORD).

I don't think SBN-ORD will return, and STL is no longer a hub, but an AA return to SBN in the form of SBN-DFW has been rumored almost since I joined a.net. Maybe the US merger will speed things up, but I wonder if AA is concerned about cannibalizing FWA-DFW (which does VERY well) if they reopen SBN.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:35 pm

For my adopted hometown here in NYC, I see some pretty interesting possibilities once the merger is finalized and integration completed. LGA will probably see the most change as domestic frequencies currently taken up by smaller RJs and DH8s are upsized and redirected where possible to allow better slot utilization. A good example being LGA-PHL. Post merger, I could see that going down to six or so flights a day on larger RJs (If that many) with the other ten slots being used for domestic adds or expansion into more profitable routes where the 175s, 190s, 738s, and A321s will be able to be used to full advantage.

CMH is another example. Currently up to 6 R/Ts a day on mostly 135s and the occasional CR7 could be replaced by four or five CR7s/175 or perhaps a 190. Carried throughout the station, thats more than a few opportunities to build up LGA destinations with a fleet that (combined) will offer A/C sizes all the way from ERJ140/145 to B752. That would appear to be an opprtunity to give DL a good challenge for their money here in the NYC market, even if they can't quite beat them.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:04 pm

Will business routes BOS-SYR/MDT/PIT/RIC/ROC/BUF stay?

Will seasonal and less than daily leisure routes BOS-CUN/PLS/MBJ/PUJ stay?
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:19 pm

I'd like to see ORD-ALB/PVD make a return.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 pm

Bring back DFW-AVL and start MIA-AVL.

Please.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:31 pm

BDL to ORD....please upgrade the E-135/145's to mainline aircraft!
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:58 pm

Upguage IAH-ORD/LAX!!!!!!
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 29):

Nice!!! Upgauge to what aircraft though?
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:30 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 30):

Anything mainline. I see Chicago going to a E175, Los Angeles really should be a 738. But I am the humble GA, what do I know about yields. I just think the routes justify larger AC.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:34 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I think the writing is on the wall for that. AA will soon have the critical mass to support mainline flights to basically every major market in the country, especially to overpriced legacy hubs like CVG where they won't have to undercut fares by much if at all...
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 22):
I predict the cornerstones will be:

DFW (LatAm gateway)
MIA (caribe SoAm gateway)
ORD (Midwest gateway)
LAX (pacific gateway)
CLT (southern hub)
PHL (northern gateway)
DCA (what I call the government hub)

Focus:
LGA (business markets)
JFK (international)
PHX (until eventual downgrade)

I think you generally have it right, with the exception that DFW will never be the primary Latin American gateway - it will always be secondary to MIA. Otherwise I agree.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 24):
For my adopted hometown here in NYC, I see some pretty interesting possibilities once the merger is finalized and integration completed. LGA will probably see the most change as domestic frequencies currently taken up by smaller RJs and DH8s are upsized and redirected where possible to allow better slot utilization. A good example being LGA-PHL. Post merger, I could see that going down to six or so flights a day on larger RJs (If that many) with the other ten slots being used for domestic adds or expansion into more profitable routes where the 175s, 190s, 738s, and A321s will be able to be used to full advantage.

CMH is another example. Currently up to 6 R/Ts a day on mostly 135s and the occasional CR7 could be replaced by four or five CR7s/175 or perhaps a 190. Carried throughout the station, thats more than a few opportunities to build up LGA destinations with a fleet that (combined) will offer A/C sizes all the way from ERJ140/145 to B752. That would appear to be an opprtunity to give DL a good challenge for their money here in the NYC market, even if they can't quite beat them.

  

If AA is smart, they will fully utilize the huge opportunity they now have to leverage a combined slot pool and strengthen their presence in NYC.

These merger opens up lots of opportunities at both LGA and JFK, for different reasons. At LGA, US brings a huge pool of new slots, many of which are obviously being sat on and superfluous for US' existing network ex-LGA. In addition, AA - as you said - has plenty of markets that are being flown with very small RJs that could likely be flown with perhaps 1 fewer daily departure, and still have a very strong schedule, but larger, 2-class EMBs. And at JFK, the key difference post-merger is that AA will be able to exit many if not most of the small ERJ markets ex-JFK that are 1-2x/day and timed exclusively for international connections. Most or all of those connections can now easily be routed over PHL, freeing up precious/scarce JFK slots to be used in more lucrative markets.

Specifically, I think AA could very plausibly add nonstops on large 2-class EMBs from LGA to IAH, MCI, IND and CVG, plus possibly 1 large EMB or even A319 to MSY. At JFK, I could definitely see freed up ERJ slots being used to (1) boost frequency somewhat on LAX/SFO as those markets transition to far smaller A321s, and (2) open up new or expanded service such as 1 well-timed flight to/from DEN, new international flights to FRA, GLA and TLV, plus additional frequencies to SEA and SAN.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 26):
I'd like to see ORD-ALB/PVD make a return.

  

I think we will see plenty of improved capacity (routes, frequency and capacity) between ORD and northeast markets as a result of this merger. The combined scale of AA+US in these markets will give AA a stronger value proposition for capturing local customers in those markets, and ORD is a perfectly-situated hub for westbound connections.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 27):
Bring back DFW-AVL and start MIA-AVL.

I don't think so - that's precisely the type of long, thing market that is likely to be the most challenging in coming years as the economics of 50-seat RJs further deteriorate. I think that's exactly the kind of market that we will see concentrated on a single nearby hub (very, very nearby in AVL's case) - AVL is a perfect eventual DH4/AT7 market for AA via CLT.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 16):
For RDU, I could see the following..

DCA - from 15/16 daily to 8 daily mix of E70/319
LGA - Maintain 8 daily mixed E70/CR7/319
ORD - 4 to 5 daily MD80/319/CR7/E70 mix
LAX unchanged
CLT unchanged
PIT unchanged
PHL 319/738/CR7 mix
DFW MD80/321 mix
MIA unchanged
LHR unchanged
PHX return? 1x
JFK up to 5x CRJ/CR7 mix
LAS?

Will be interesting to see what happens in RDU. With the big push by DL to become the dominant carrier can we expect a turf war? Assuming things stay the same now both will have a pretty sizeable operation in RDU. Who bleeds who dry first is the real question.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 32):
If AA is smart, they will fully utilize the huge opportunity they now have to leverage a combined slot pool and strengthen their presence in NYC.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I have finally had the chance to make a quick spreadsheet of destinations and frequencies from LGA to have some good data to go on:

Destination.....Avg Flts Per Day...... Airline.........Type
ATL 7 AE CR7
BNA 6 AE CR7/135
BOS 16 US SHUTTLE A319/190
CLE 4 AE CR7/135
CLT 5 AE CR7
CLT* 13 US Variousx
CMH 6 AE CR7/135
DCA 16 US SHUTTLE Various
DFW 15 AA 738/MD80
DTW 6 AE CR7/135
MIA 10 AA B738
MSP 4 AE CR7
ORD 18 AA 738/MD80
PHL 16 US DH8 & Others
PIT 7 US Various Regional
RDU 10 AE CR7/135
STL 3 AA MD80
XNA 3 AE 135
YUL 5 AE 135
YYZ 9 AE CR7

Okay, this is one of my first attempts at doing a chart like this on here, so please be kind.. but my count comes up with about 179 daily departures...

Based on new types, and streamlining, it would seem PHL and CLT are the first obvious adjustments. Followed by "right-sizing aircraft" on routes like DTW, RDU, YYZ, and BNA to grab a flight or two for another destination.

Thoughts on "upguages?"; new destinations? and any of these that may be on the short list for removal in the future?

Also, any possibility of an extension of the "Shuttle" Concept to include Chicago?

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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:17 am

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 34):
Okay, this is one of my first attempts at doing a chart like this on here, so please be kind.. but my count comes up with about 179 daily departures...

Based on new types, and streamlining, it would seem PHL and CLT are the first obvious adjustments. Followed by "right-sizing aircraft" on routes like DTW, RDU, BNA to grab a flight or two for another destination.

Thoughts on "upguages?"; new destinations? and any of these that may be on the short list for removal in the future?

I did a similar look, using the peak day schedules for this July, and found a grand total - combined - of 179 departures (114 AA + 65 US). By comparison, I show DL having a total of 276. Those numbers could be off a bit, but I think that is a rough ballpark.

As you said, to start with, obvious places to right-size are PHL and CLT, both of which currently see slots being sat on (several instances of 2 departures to the same destination within 15-45 minutes of each other throughout the day). Plus, they can just eliminate AA's LGA-CLT flights and upgauge the remainder of CLT to mainline. So that would save 4 departures at CLT (18 combined to 14) and 3 on PHL (13>10) Beyond that, I could also see several existing AA/Eagle markets lose 1-2 daily departures as they move to larger, 2-class RJs - specifically: BNA* (6>4), RDU (10>8), XNA (3>2), YUL (5>4), and BUF (2/day), CVG (3), IAH (3), IND (3), MCI (3), and MSY (1)**.

* I could see BNA going from 6 RJs back to a mix of mainline/RJ
** On the adds, I could see just about all of those being on 2-class RJs (EMBs) with the exception of MSY (an A319)

Given some strategic adds, and given the comparison of overall slots, I think AA has an enormous opportunity here to become an ever strong offering for the NYC market post-merger. AA is currently utilizing a lot of slots in a very suboptimal way for a variety of reasons including slot restrictions, legacy union contracts, etc. that can now be used in a better way, particularly with the opportunities afforded post-merger. AA has an enormous slot holding at LGA that can be deployed in a few strategic O&D markets from NYC to dramatically boost AA's already-large presence in the region. Plus, on the other side of these routes, AA is now going to have a very strong combined schedule in a lot of central and eastern U.S. markets (IND, MCI, etc.) that will benefit from nonstops to LGA/NYC in addition to nonstops to PHL, DCA, etc. in the northeast.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 34):
Also, any possibility of an extension of the "Shuttle" Concept to include Chicago?
AA has effectively already had that for years, even if they don't brand it that way. Remember - AA has more departures per day to ORD (18) than US currently has to either DCA or BOS (16 each). I agree with you, though - I could see a rebranding of the 'Shuttle' product that, like with Delta, incorporates the critical ORD market.

[Edited 2013-03-31 18:18:24]
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 35):
and BUF (2/day), CVG (3), IAH (3), IND (3), MCI (3), and MSY (1)**.

I think you are right on with the Possible Additions. IAH makes a great deal of sense and wasnt on my "imaginary list". A couple of other maybes:

SDF (decent sized market with good business climate, apparently decent revenue on DLs Non-stops)
CHS (seems to be doing well for DL and B6 is entering, might be a bit much, but increasing business activity in the area and cultural connections to NYC area)
MKE (might as well give DL some competition)
CRW (return 1X)
DAY* (I would be very curious about numbers behind this)
CAK** (IF WN were to consolidate at CLE there might be a market for this to continue 1x)
ROA** (If the new AAUS wants to stake a big claim in the old US/Piedmont Heartland and go after DL)
ALB** (If there is enough lingering love (aka Corp and govt $$) that could come US/AAs way)

Thats my quick off the head list..

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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 36):
SDF (decent sized market with good business climate, apparently decent revenue on DLs Non-stops)
CHS (seems to be doing well for DL and B6 is entering, might be a bit much, but increasing business activity in the area and cultural connections to NYC area)
MKE (might as well give DL some competition)
CRW (return 1X)
DAY* (I would be very curious about numbers behind this)
CAK** (IF WN were to consolidate at CLE there might be a market for this to continue 1x)
ROA** (If the new AAUS wants to stake a big claim in the old US/Piedmont Heartland and go after DL)
ALB** (If there is enough lingering love (aka Corp and govt $$) that could come US/AAs way)

Honestly, I think most of those markets are either too competitive (MKE) or too small (all the others). AA/Eagle has already been flying LGA-CRW for several years, and they're cancelling it in a few months.

I think AA's primary focus in deploying LGA slots should be to continue doing what they have long been good at - prime business O&D markets. This has long been AA's "bread and butter" at LGA and the 2-class EMBs give them the opportunity to put themselves on an at-least-competitive-if-not-superior footing vs DL in terms of the onboard product since the EMBs are a better experience than the CRJs - particularly on long flights.

Plus, again, there are lots of markets around the country where, post-merger, AA is going to instantly jump to the first or second largest carrier at a given airport, and in lots of those places AA will now be offering nonstop flights to multiple hubs including multiple hubs along the east coast and in the northeast (ORD, DFW, CLT, DCA, PHL, etc.). In several of those markets, AA may well find that adding a few daily flights to LGA will help them attract and retain high-yielding corporate contracts in those spoke markets. (NYC is the largest business travel market in North America, after all.)
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 19):
I know BUF had a DFW route------when was ROC-DFW & SYR-DFW operated?

The dates may be a little off but BUF had mainline DFW, when it started Im not 100% sure, but ended around the start of 2003 IIRC when Eagle took over the station. It restarted in 2005 with eagle CR7 x1/day and then x2/day for a while before going back to x1/day towards the end.

ROC/SYR started in 2005 as well both with x1/day with the CR7 and both outlasted BUF by about a half year before ending around fall 2008 IIRC.

Im not sure what the seat values were on the flights but I do recall the ROC-DFW flights being full 90% of the time in both directions. At that time the CR7 were 70 seats all coach.

If DFW isnt in the cards for BUF/ROC/SYR maybe there is hope for MIA. It was always a rumor AA/AE wanted to start MIA service to BUF/ROC/SYR from MIA but we were out of range for the E145. PIT was just under the limit and had MIA. Maybe there is a market if MIA gets some CR7 based there?

[Edited 2013-03-31 19:44:12]
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:57 am

In a related note. Where the hell are AA + US physically going to fit together @ LGA?
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:02 am

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 39):
In a related note. Where the hell are AA + US physically going to fit together @ LGA?

Very good question.

I have no idea how that's going to happen. I suppose the "easiest" (relatively speaking) solution would be for UA and US to swap locations, with UA moving into the west side of the former US terminal, and AA consolidating in the CTB-C/D. Not sure if that's a big enough space, though. When the LGA CTB rebuild is done, the problem will be solved. But that's years and years away. The combined AA/US operation - even without any additions of new routes or market upgrades - is a very, very large operation (again, just under 200 daily departures). It's going to be "fun" fitting that anywhere.

On a related note, though, AA rolled out their new airport concept in the newly-reopened section of DFW Terminal A last week, and the accompanying press release mentioned that it would be coming to LGA (among other airports) "later this year." LGA was the only other airport specifically mentioned by name. After having gone through the area a few days ago, I must say - it is really nice, and quite a dramatic improvement over what it replaced. I will be happy to see it at LGA, where I think AA has already in recent years done a relatively good job of trying to improve what (little) they have to work with - at least in D.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:13 am

I'd like to see ORD-ABQ/EWR/ELP return to mainline. EWR may be tough since their competition across the ramp has hubs at both ends.

I'd also like to see ORD-COS/MTJ/ANC/YVR/YYC return.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:49 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 41):
I'd like to see ORD-ABQ/EWR/ELP return to mainline. EWR may be tough since their competition across the ramp has hubs at both ends.

ABQ and ELP - maybe with A319s, but they may well stay as CR7s. EWR I think is much more likely to see the new E175s and maybe a mix of a few A319s during peak summer season. EWR is among the very first markets - along with IAH and ATL - that I expect to get the E175s out of ORD.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 41):
I'd also like to see ORD-COS/MTJ/ANC/YVR/YYC return.

I think COS and YYC are both plausible with RJs, and ANC and YVR are also totally plausible summer-seasonal.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:06 pm

GPT to CLT/DFW on mainline
GPT to ORD restablished with Ejets
GPT to MIA launched.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:20 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 41):
On a related note, though, AA rolled out their new airport concept in the newly-reopened section of DFW Terminal A last week, and the accompanying press release mentioned that it would be coming to LGA (among other airports) "later this year." LGA was the only other airport specifically mentioned by name. After having gone through the area a few days ago, I must say - it is really nice, and quite a dramatic improvement over what it replaced. I will be happy to see it at LGA, where I think AA has already in recent years done a relatively good job of trying to improve what (little) they have to work with - at least in D.

From the "changes to come at LGA" news front, the PA has approved construction of a new parking garage in front of Terminal C to serve DL's operations.

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2...guardiagarage_tl_2013_03_29_q.html

This will be complete in 2015 and permit use of existing parking space for the new CTB. According to a separate Reuter's Article, the construction on the new CTB is supposed to start sometime in early 2014... which seems to be a move up from some of the earlier dates, but will, none-the-less, still be a rather lenghty (but overdue) process.

The suggestion about swapping United and US Airways would seem to make the most sense, but we shall see what happens.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:25 pm

There has been minimal discussion pertaining to transborder/international services so I thought I'd get the ball rolling on that one (since that's in scope for this thread, correct?)

We have the following coming up:

DFW-LIM (starting 4/2 - tomorrow!)
ORD-DUS (starting 4/11)
DFW-ICN (starting 5/9)
JFK-DUB (starting 6/12)
DFW-HMO (starting 6/12)
DFW-ZCL (starting 6/12)
DFW-BOG (date TBD, late 2013)
MIA-CWB/POA (date TBD, late 2013)
LAX-GRU (date TBD, late 2013)
ORD-GRU (2014)

Additionally, it appears that DFW-GIG is increasing from 3x weekly to 5x weekly starting June 12.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:20 pm

Would AA upgauge ORD-PIT to mainline? Granted, PIT is no longer a US hub, but I would expect a number of US F/F flyers in western Pennsylvania are probably flying UA on ORD-PIT, especially if they are connecting to other cities in the Midwest.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:20 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 11):
I'm still waiting for AA to launch NRT-MIA.

As we head down the merger path, I'd love to see AA or JAL announce PHL-NRT.
 
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:03 am

I'm hoping we see some more expansion in Germany. Additional flights to FRA, perhaps from JFK. Also, with the new AB partnership, maybe we will see TXL (or BER if it ever opens) in the near future.

What I really want is to see additional Europe flying from non-JFK hubs. Lets see MIA-MXP and maybe ORD-ZRH again. I just hate how ORD, DFW, MIA have minimum Europe flying.
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RE: AA Possible New Routes And Upgrades

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:20 am

Hopefully they bring back AUS - MIA. I don't think they'd have any trouble on it since B6 and WN fly AUS - FLL and they seem to do well on it.

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