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Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:19 pm

Hello TK Aviation fans,
What a great spring day here in Istanbul, welcome to April!


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Please continue here where we left off from last month, with TK's big narrowbody order, leased 77Ws, possible Australia link and Congrats to TK on its first day of non-stop IST-IAH.


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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
What a great spring day here in Istanbul, welcome to April!

Thanks for a new thread and wish you could send some of that weather here !

Love the 2020 logo jet. Fingers crossed for a successful bid . 166 days to go  

Im sure if they get it then TK would do a more substanial livery for it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:24 am

TC-JJG is scheduled for inaugural flight to Houston. She has 309 pax on board, good load for first flight.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:53 pm

I am sure the IAH route will go daily very soon. Is it aircraft availability issue or TK being cautious for a new route? I think the traffic that TK is going after here would need a daily frequency...
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 2):

TC-JJG is scheduled for inaugural flight to Houston. She has 309 pax on board, good load for first flight.

good loads are indeed expected; however, around 120 pax on this particular inaugural flight were invited guest of TK. I expect this route to be daily in a very short time.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:44 pm

Greetings from TK33, inaugural flight to Houston.

We are now somewhere over Reykjavik. It is nice to be on a inaugural flight. Only problem is the slow internet. I'll provide some more update later today from Houston.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 3):
I am sure the IAH route will go daily very soon. Is it aircraft availability issue or TK being cautious for a new route? I think the traffic that TK is going after here would need a daily frequency...
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 4):
I expect this route to be daily in a very short time.

It's confirmed to be going 6X per week (according to Trade Arabia) starting in July....wish this was known sooner though as I am having to travel on this same flight in August but choosing from the current 4X per week schedule....preferred the Wed. flight option coming this summer.

Anyone know when you can get seat assignments? Is it still 90 - 100 days from departure or has that changed?

"Beginning in July, flights between the two cities will be increased to six times weekly with the addition of Wednesday and Sunday flights."

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/TTN_233249.html

[Edited 2013-04-01 09:01:41]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:41 pm

Yes TK33 will be 6x weekly from July 2013. After delivery of leased 777's some frames will be available for these increments. However this summer will be very chaotic in IST; daily departures hit over 900 from day one of summer schedule. Lets wait and see how TK will handle this situation.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:48 pm

Here is insight to another TK route - the Thailand regional manager gave an interview.

The Bangkok market which TK has now served for 25-years is very strong. In 2012 monthly load factors reached a peak of 91%. They expect to average more than 88% LF for 2013.

BKK routes premium traffic demand in 2012 was up 24% while revenue increased by 36%. Economy traffic demand grew 14% with revenue was up 15% in 2012.

Interesting that while in the past traffic was primarily inbound to Thailand due to its popularity as a tourism destination, now TK is concentrating on selling growing number outbound seats from Thailand as well by pushing the benefits of its wide European network. It mentioned that Spain in particular is a popular beyond market due to TKs service to 5 Spanish cities there.

This year BKK will operate 11x weekly nonstops from IST with mix of A330/A340 equipment.

Turkish delight for airline's BKK route
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...kish-delight-for-airline-bkk-route

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
.wish this was known sooner

Its been loaded in GDS since March 16th.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:26 pm

TK plans on adding Heraklion(Crete) Greece to its network.

Pending government approvals, route would start as soon as June.

Story:
http://english.capital.gr/News.asp?id=1763676

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:04 am

something regional:
Seabird Airlines started its operations between Istanbul and Bursa. A Twin Otter with 18 seats is used for prices as low as 100TRY.

Sounds quite interesting and should be tried out...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:07 am

Back in the day TK served Bursa along with other nearby cities like Yalova, Tekirdag, Bandirma.

With some 2 million people Bursa is certainly not a small market, however its geography (being so close to Istanbul) and location of the Yenisehir airport has hampered service. Many people simply opt to take the fast boat ferry across to Istanbul.

Be interesting how Seabird Airlines does. However I do have doubts as they seem to come up with route ideas to only quietly drop them a but later.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:08 am

according to a post in Indian aviation thread theres an Air India A310Fapparently in AI livery, stored at SAW, who does it belong to now any idea?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:18 am

Here is a short info about my experience today for ESB-IST-IAH flight.

I took TK2109 from ESB to IST on a A343 (TC-JDK Diyarbakir). I see that A343/332 are regular visitors to ESB for morning and evening connections to/from US & Far East flights. In the summer even 777 is used time to time for these connections. Also today TK2109 was totally packed. I also observed that interior of plane is in very good shape in comparison to its age.

A few weeks back, some one claimed that ESB-IST-XXX flights may be cheaper than IST-XXX flights: No it is NOT! As a regular purchaser of such tickets, I can say that at least 50 Euro have to be paid on top of IST-XXX ticket price unless there is a special promotion. However since IST-ESB flights are also packed, normally you have to pay more than that.

I went to TK Lounge at IST. Again it was crowded, not a single place to sit. Looks like TK Lounge is crowded 7/24. I think TK needs to extend it ASAP before it becomes to late (OK it is brand new, but TK is growing at 20%).

At the gate, there was a small welcome cocktail (of course no liqueurs!) which was also a nice touch.

Once we were airborne, Economy Minister Zafer Caglayan and Hamdi Topcu went through all the plane and welcomed everybody on board one by one.

Food was excellent as always. With Planet AVOD System TK has come a long way and it is OK for movies but for music/podcast/documentary content, it is still ages back in comparison to ICE of EK.

Apart from slow passport process, IAH was also a nice experience.


Houston we have a problem, TK33 is approaching!  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:07 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 13):

Welcome to a.net and thanks for the short trip report.
I lived for a short time in Houston almost 20 years back and never thought about a TK nonstop flight from IST to IAH. I even played soccer for the awesome IstanbulSpor there, we had great uniforms.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
TK plans on adding Heraklion(Crete) Greece to its network.

Yes hope it goes ahead. There is alot of scope for the increase in tourism. Also CFU has been mentioned as a seasonal service.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
according to a post in Indian aviation thread theres an Air India A310Fapparently in AI livery, stored at SAW, who does it belong to now any idea?

There was also a passenger A310. They are being parted out by MyTechnic.

Here is a photo by someone - you can see the freighter (N430AL) in the background
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws...6852606711e2a5b622000a9f1254_7.jpg

Here is the passenger one (N428AL) before the chop job
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7321146&nseq=0

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:37 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Yes hope it goes ahead. There is alot of scope for the increase in tourism. Also CFU has been mentioned as a seasonal service.

I think its actually quite interesting how regional Greek authorities have been heavily lobbying TK and other Turkish companies the last year or so.

I think they realize one of the potential economic life lines they have is attracting Turkish visitors and business activity.

Hopefully its part of further détente between the nations making it a win-win for everyone in the long run.

Someone even suggested with the mess in Cyprus, there could be mutual benefits in encouraging new economic links between the sides also.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:20 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
I think its actually quite interesting how regional Greek authorities have been heavily lobbying TK and other Turkish companies the last year or so.

Well after the Pasok era in Greece in the 80s Greece looked more West and less towards the East which I always said was not maybe the right idea. Greece always had decent relations with the East but did not take full advantage of these historical ties. Obviously the relationship between Greece and Turkey has had its rocky road but since 1999 things have changed. They realise now that you dont put all your eggs in one basket and you need to explore markets that were often there but never actively gone after.

On my trips to IST especially the ones from ATH-IST it is heartening to see flights full of Greek and Turkish businessmen and school exchange students. Who would have thought that such a route as Izmir, historically known as Smyrna would have direct flights ADB-ATH.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Someone even suggested with the mess in Cyprus, there could be mutual benefits in encouraging new economic links between the sides also.

We are a long way from a jointly run NIC   But it will certainly force people on both sides into considering things that were not before. The casinos in the North have seen the decline from money taken in from ''Southern'' tourists so this affects the whole Island. A strong economy on both sides is good for all.

I would love to see the transit figures for TK connecting from ATH. TK last year had a large advertising campaign and offered some amazing fares to the USA and Far East. When my Family were over in March they would have booked TK ATH-IST-DUB but they wanted to visit the UK too so BA was the only option. TK were the best value though.

Another issue of course is the visa problem. This is hampering the potential cross border tourism between Turkey and Greece and something needs to be done about it. Im sure a scheme could be arranged to ease the red tape.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
.wish this was known sooner

Its been loaded in GDS since March 16th.

Understood, however these tickets were bought back in January when the original schedules were loaded for 4X weekly service.

[Edited 2013-04-02 11:33:10]
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
ho would have thought that such a route as Izmir, historically known as Smyrna would have direct flights ADB-ATH.

Many might not know - But Athens was TK's first international route back in 1947 using a DC-3, and Izmir-Athens services operated for many decades until relations soured over Cyprus.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:40 pm

Today THY had an invitation in Houston for celebrating IST-IAH inaugural flight.

There Hamdi Topcu announced that they expect to go double daily to IAH soon and next destinations in US will be SFO and ATL (!).

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:55 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 21):
There Hamdi Topcu announced that they expect to go double daily to IAH soon and next destinations in US will be SFO and ATL (!).

Double daily or daily? I know they are going to 6x weekly in July, and I would expect daily soon after. But I can't imagine they are already looking at going double daily.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:50 pm

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 22):
Double daily or daily? I know they are going to 6x weekly in July, and I would expect daily soon after. But I can't imagine they are already looking at going double daily.

He repeated twice in front of US Federal Congress Members of Texas, Mayor of Houston and Turkish Minister of Economy : Double daily!

Is he serious or is this just wishful thinking, I leave it up to you.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:05 am

As usual lots of random commentary from senior executives.
I'd rather hear news it from Kotil the CEO whom is actually involved in day to day operations. Topcu as chairman is more involved in mega fleet orders, politics and PR events.


In more serious news - Lufthansa subsidiary will train 100 pilots cadets for THY with type rating on the Airbus A320 or Boeing 737NG.

http://atwonline.com/training/100-tu...-study-pilot-training-network-gmbh

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):
As usual lots of random commentary from senior executives.

Agreed, playing to the local media and community.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:34 am

Turkish Airlines is leasing 4 A320 for six years. Does anyone know where they will come from??

SE notification from April 01

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...kurumsal/yatirimci-iliskileri/2013
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:02 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 21):

I knew he had a little bit of Texas in him. How far has he come from Rize.
Double Daily; I hesitate to believe.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:38 am

I attended multiple meetings/presentations and will be attending more in Austin and Houston today and tomorrow.

Texas in general is the biggest trade and business partner of Turkey in US. Yesterday there was the signing ceremony of cooperation between Port of Istanbul and Port of Houston too. Texas is the preference of Turkish Companies for investment due to lower cost and taxation, its central location as well as easy and better quality of life. I also met with multiple Turkish Construction SME Companies that moved to Texas from other states due to stronger growth in this state.

Moreover I heard that there is strong demand for under belly cargo too. Especially IAH-IST direction's already fulling the cargo.

This altogether proves a growing healthy business traffic between IST-IAH. I think double daily potentially can be doable, perhaps by summer 2014 or 2015. TK does not have the equipment to do it earlier anyway.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:55 am

Jat Airways has signed a code-share agreement with Atlas Jet via Istanbul to Antalya, Bodrum and Izmir. Ankara will be in cooperation with Austrian Airlines and Sun Express via Vienna.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:02 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 28):
Yesterday there was the signing ceremony of cooperation between Port of Istanbul and Port of Houston too.

Also, I heard that yesterday there was a groundbreaking ceremony for a Borusan factory (close to Houston) that will eventually be employing 300 workers .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Finnair are to launch seasonal service to Antalya from June.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):

Thanks LAX.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:25 am

It seems that Adria will be launching charter flights from Maribor in Slovenia to Ercan/Tymvou airport in northern Cyprus. Naturally these flights can't be operated directly so I wonder if they might fly via Istanbul or via another city in Turkey.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:25 pm

Reporting from TK11 IST-JFK, -JJE, Dolmabahce. A five year girl just moved to the empty seat next to me. MORE WINE please!!!!!
5 empty seats on Comfort tonight.
J full
Y 80% full.
More tomorrow.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:12 pm

Good Morning from sunny NYC!
Good to be back home after 3 weeks in Istanbul.
More about TK11 last night;

-IST was a breeze, no lines at TK nor security, but they are re modeling around Starbucks and such, less room to lounge. Anyone know what are the plans?
-As usual one hour before departure no annoucements and people lined up and started the boarding process without any help or direction. No first class first, no handicapped, families with children first....Is there any policy about boarding at TK? Last time they used Groups, not this time.
-I was on the phone while entering the plane, the chef asked me to finish my phone call outside the plane. It is really hard to take any of that seriously, since you know...
-We were delayed 40 min. due to cargo and the A.C. was off, inside the plane baking. The usual FA'S running around, folding carts being pushed around...
-Slippers and headphones were already stuck inside the pockets for every seat. First time I've seen this. Later they came back with amenity kits.
-First time for me, FA asked a couple to fold their TVs for take off. Again no such precaution for cell phones or seatbelts, both during take off and landing. People were on the phone over JFK before landing.
-We had an American captain with Turkish FOs. I wonder what is the plan at TK once the next batch of WBs arrive.
-Bathrooms were kept pretty clean throughout the flight even with this high load. FA's courteous, Do&Co predictable.
For the last two flights I decided to skip the second meal and snacks and feel so much better. It makes me to have some dinner after arrival to help with jetlag. I recommend.


BUT the event of the night; 2 hour 5 minute wait at US Immigration line. (Latest budget cuts?) Absolutely not acceptable, with only 2-3 lanes open for US citizens. When I went through, the Immigration officer was complaining to me how tired she was!!! There were still few hundred people behind me. Some TK pax might have been in that line over 3 hours.
Time for me to get the Global Entry card.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
-I was on the phone while entering the plane, the chef asked me to finish my phone call outside the plane. It is really hard to take any of that seriously, since you know...

Indeed  
Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
-Slippers and headphones were already stuck inside the pockets for every seat. First time I've seen this. Later they came back with amenity kits.

I prefer the personal touch where they hand them out.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
For the last two flights I decided to skip the second meal and snacks and feel so much better. It makes me to have some dinner after arrival to help with jetlag. I recommend.

Yes you can often over eat and feel sluggish. Sometimes its hard to resist.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
There were still few hundred people behind me. Some TK pax might have been in that line over 3 hours.

Ouch that is a bit crazy and seems a bit stressful.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:19 pm

Just back from IAH and waiting for my connecting flight to ESB.

Ground stuff is very inexperienced at IAH and to connect my luggage to ESB via IST, they kept me waiting for half an hour. They could not enter my M&S number in the system as well and they promised that they would do it manually once the check in finished. I got the feeling that I will need to claim those miles.

I went to United Lounge to wait for the flight. It has a nice club ambiance. But nothing compares to TK lounge at IST, they have no quality food (actually no food). There are some house wines and draft beers for free. You also need to pay if you would like to have a quality wine or liqueur.

Flight was packed: Y and C were almost full. Comfort Class had 4-5 empty seats. I noticed that quite a number of Indians are taking this flight.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:00 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 34):
-As usual one hour before departure no annoucements and people lined up and started the boarding process without any help or direction. No first class first, no handicapped, families with children first....Is there any policy about boarding at TK? Last time they used Groups, not this time.

This is the most inconsistent and ineffective thing at TK. They want to be a 5 star airline, however, the boarding process is comparable to boarding a bus at harem.

Here are the major problems with boarding TK:

-There is almost never any announcement
-Sometimes there is grouped boarding and sometimes not
-The arrival/departure screens turn from "Wait in Lounge" to "Last call", with no "Boarding" sometimes
-The IST lower level gate (where you have to take the bus) lounge is terrible. There are no places to sit and people crowd over around the doors
-Ground staff very inexperienced
-The boarding never starts at times printed on the boarding card (boarding cards show very early boarding times).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 37):

TK11 yesterday departure was 18:20 and boarding was to be 17:20.
I was the very first person at the gate and watched -JJE being serviced. Flight crew and Cleaning Crew arrived almost two hours before departure. Two teams of (at least a dozen people) cleaning crews (with vacuum cleaners, garbage bags..) entered the plane through stairs. On the left side of the plane 3 doors were open, and I can see two doors open on the Left side for Do&Co. It is amazing to see how many people trying to turn that plane around.
2 Hours of cleaning and prep, still;
-For Cargo, 40 min delay
-Slippers, headphones stuffed at seat backs
-Folding cart races back and forth the aisles
-No A.C. and temp inside the plane feels like 30 Celcius.
-FA's only make sure the window shades open, but don't enforce seatbelts, Personal Tv's, cell phone usage. I doubt that they enforce Exit Row people to have shoes on, headphones Off during takeoff and landing.

I always remember recent a KL 747 Combi flight to AMS from New York. FA's were so calm and everything was so orderly, I never realized that the doors were closed and we left the gate.
Yesterday, I saw a KL flight crew at Passport Control at IST and complimented them how wonderful and professional they looked. All nicely tailored uniforms, smiling faces, ready to work.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:33 pm

Had an interesting time with TK over the past two weeks.

YYZ-IST in Comfort: the load looked to be around 65-70%. A few empty seats, particularly towards the back of the cabin. J looked even emptier. Y looked packed - must have been running over 90%. The seats are showing wear and tear (the padding of the seat bottom was wearing thin). Catering was excellent - no discernible change in quality since my first Y+ flight exactly a year ago. WiFi on board was excellent - it worked everytime I tried. Live TV was a little dodgy - it stuttered a lot.

On transit in IST, went to a smaller security point (2 machines) - no priority lane there.

IST-YYZ in Comfort: Y was pretty full - only counted one or two empty seats, J looked to be somewhere between 40% and 50%. Y+ looked like a healthy 80% + - must have been around 6 - 8 empty seats. Y+ seems very popular with Europeans, Turks and Iranians. Again, top notch catering, WiFi and IFE worked without a hitch, and all in all an excellent flight, but the wear and tear was more obvious here - the plug point had no cover, which made it hard to charge (it was working, but the slightest movement could dislodge the plug).

Also had the VERY unfortunate experience of flying IST to DAC. The combination of being a TK E and a one-stop *A flight made TK my obvious choice, but if I were to judge my experience on that flight alone, I would choose 9W 2 stop in a heartbeat. Poor ground handling - flight delayed by 1 hour, but ground staff kept in the dark and all displays showed on-time departure. Poor souls had to deal with some very irate pax. Personally, I would have preferred to stay in the lounge than sit at the 300 gate level. Boarding was a mess - they really should assign more staff to certain flights, particularly those going to South Asia. No priority boarding for TK E+/E/*G announced. Quietly inquired about it midway through the board process and was escorted past the line by a poor lady who looked like she was about to cry. Should point out that boarding in IST was a mess even for IST-YYZ. No priority boarding announced (just one quick announcement of Group A), and it rapidly turned into a free for all.

The Meridiana 332 was, quite simply, atrocious in Y. It was simply appalling. There was no legroom to speak off, and while the generous recline was somewhat helpful, the absence of IFE was quite jarring for a flight this length. In half a mind to send TK a very irritated letter about how inconsistent their product was. The bright spots - excellent catering and I finally got my hands on the pencil case amenity kit. Love it.

This was redeemed somewhat by an excellent experience in a 333 on the return leg. The slide forward mechanism was a bit odd. TK's Y breakfast (the cheese pastry with the spinach and the grilled cheese sandwich) is undoubtedly my favorite airline breakfast by a country mile. Got a more basic amenity kit - no box.

Pleased to note that the cabin crew are looking less flustered these days - lots of service with a smile. The lounge in IST was brilliant as always, though it does seem to get a little too crowded at times. Some lounge users might benefit from some lessons in etiquette - the greed on display when that delciious Pide was available was a bit baffling. The concierge I encountered on both legs was very pleasant on the eyes.

All in all, apart from the Meridiana experience and the boarding in IST, everything was top notch - no discernible deterioration in the quality of service (wear and tear notwithstanding) and the crew seem to have stepped up their game. Security in IST was pretty fast too. Was with non-*G travel companions, so didn't try to use the priority security lane (there seemed to be one), but security took less than 5 min. Hope they keep comfort class on this route once the new non-Y+ 777s are inducted.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 38):
-FA's only make sure the window shades open, but don't enforce seatbelts, Personal Tv's, cell phone usage. I doubt that they enforce Exit Row people to have shoes on, headphones Off during takeoff and landing.

Ah yes, forgot about that. They enforced seatbelts, cell phone usage and window shades on all my flights, and collected headphones prior to descent. On YYZ-IST in comfort they made us stow PTVs, but on IST-YYZ, some folk definitely had their PTVs out - albeit without headphones.

I found that very strange too - particularly since I mostly fly AC which is very stringent about most of these (except cellphone usage - the announcements are made, but I've seen people visibly listen to their iPods/phones without the FAs saying anything).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 39):
Also had the VERY unfortunate experience of flying IST to DAC. The combination of being a TK E and a one-stop *A flight made TK my obvious choice, but if I were to judge my experience on that flight alone, I would choose 9W 2 stop in a heartbeat. Poor ground handling - flight delayed by 1 hour, but ground staff kept in the dark and all displays showed on-time departure. Poor souls had to deal with some very irate pax. Personally, I would have preferred to stay in the lounge than sit at the 300 gate level. Boarding was a mess - they really should assign more staff to certain flights, particularly those going to South Asia. No priority boarding for TK E+/E/*G announced. Quietly inquired about it midway through the board process and was escorted past the line by a poor lady who looked like she was about to cry. Should point out that boarding in IST was a mess even for IST-YYZ. No priority boarding announced (just one quick announcement of Group A), and it rapidly turned into a free for all.

The Meridiana 332 was, quite simply, atrocious in Y. It was simply appalling. There was no legroom to speak off, and while the generous recline was somewhat helpful, the absence of IFE was quite jarring for a flight this length. In half a mind to send TK a very irritated letter about how inconsistent their product was. The bright spots - excellent catering and I finally got my hands on the pencil case amenity kit. Love it.

I have had the exact similar asymmetric experience in last December ... in both directions.

JFK-IST ... 77W Y+ ... Fabulous flights ... lots of food, legroom, IFE, clean-large lavatories ... etc
and
IST-DAC ... 332 Y ... simply pathetic ... delay in flights, poor communication at the gate, pre-assigned seats changed without any explanation, worn-out seats, broken hardware, no IFE at all, no cabin lights (!!!), cabin crew avoiding contact (to avoid the questions and complaints of course). I wrote back to TK immediately ... got some BLAH BLAH reply about a month later.

I am glad that you atleast got a new/clean 333 on the way back. I do not plan to use TK on the DAC route until they regularly use 'standard' planes ... how long are these Meridiana 332s gonna stay?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 41):
I am glad that you atleast got a new/clean 333 on the way back. I do not plan to use TK on the DAC route until they regularly use 'standard' planes ... how long are these Meridiana 332s gonna stay?

Only because it was an open-jaw and I didn't fly back from DAC. It appears as though that Meridiana aircraft is dedicated to DAC, not unlike my experience from DEL last year - identical situation to yours, with seats being changed because the scheduled 333 was swapped for a 332 in both directions. Those 332s - no IFE at all, were apparently returned later last year - only to be replaced by the Meridiana crap.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 42):
It appears as though that Meridiana aircraft is dedicated to DAC

It seems that since the onset of the S13 schedule, the DAC route has reverted to the two leased A332s TC-JNF and TC-JNG, while the Meridiana aircraft seems to now operate Dubai and Europe trips.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:40 pm

Again I got upgraded to C on TK2170 to ESB. If you are a EP card holder, with 1/3 probability for evening departures to ESB you get an upgrade. These flights are mostly overbooked.

On TK2170, there was another surprise : All stuff was from XQ. We are used to it for SAW-ESB flights or Anadolujet, but now IST-ESB flights also?

I wonder if TK management does it to
- fight against the labour union
- cope with the expansion
- lower the costs
- combination of some of the above

Whatever the reason is, as a IMKB (Istanbul Stock Exchange) company, they are supposed to be transparent on such decisions with proper announcements to public with reasons. I wonder if this is in line with the law?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:37 pm

I guess this is not good publicity for Turkish Airlines. The French daily, Le Figaro, in an article on the 'Islamic drifts of Erdogan's Turkey' starts by mentioning Turkish Airlines.

The article states that you can choose to either watch a film during the flight or listen to the Quran on one of the channels. It also mentions the alcohol ban on some flights and then moves on to the proposed uniforms which caused an uproar in Turkey.

It basically says that Turkish Airlines suffers because of the political agenda of its nation's leader.

You can read the rest of the article here, though it is in French:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/mon-figaro/20...mistes-de-la-turquie-d-erdogan.php
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:16 pm

Well whatever they might be trying to do, I did not know that Turkish Airlines offers Quran readings on its flights. Is this new and is it on all its flights or only on a few ones?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:28 pm

Well yes French in recent years becoming more allergic to Islam it seems. Sad but true.

If TK has IFE offering of spiritual Quran, that is smart. They look to serve their customers. Also they are not alone. remember EK had Quran recitation along with video channel on Islamic literature.
Some airlines even recite a passage of Quran on PA system before takeoff. So if TK have a channel on IFE, it does not hurt or bother anyone. Some people want to listen to Lady Gaga, others find peace in Quran reading.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:38 pm

Currently, I am sitting in the TK lounge in IST and outside I saw an IB A346 parked at the Northern end of the apron, jyst where TKs mx-area starts. Does anybody know why it's here?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2013

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:43 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 49):

Currently, I am sitting in the TK lounge in IST and outside I saw an IB A346 parked at the Northern end of the apron, jyst where TKs mx-area starts. Does anybody know why it's here?

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