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IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:03 pm

An order from IAG for the A350-1000 is almost done. The order will be for 25 units for British Airways.
Will share more information as soon as I get it.

This is how thw order should be:
A350-1000 for both British Airways and Iberia as a 744 and A346 replacement.
A350-900 as a 772ER and A343 replacement.
The deal is for both types and I have been told that the order will be for as much as 75 units total. No information yet as how many are firm and how many options.
Airbus was looking to close the deal at Le Bourget.

[Edited 2013-04-01 12:41:57]
 
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RE: IAG Close To Order A350 1000

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:06 pm

Jon Ostrower ‏(from the WSJ) is confirming the news, this announcement sounds not like a joke.

[Edited 2013-04-01 12:18:44]
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RE: IAG Close To Order A350 1000

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:31 pm

Interesting. Can we assume this would be instead of, rather than in addition to, any 777X order? Would this mean the -900 is a shoe in to replace their 772s?
 
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RE: IAG Close To Order A350 1000

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:32 pm

link to WSJ
It is just brief, and you have to log in to see more but atleast it is proof that it is actual.

[Edited 2013-04-01 12:33:57]
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RE: IAG Close To Order A350 1000

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:33 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 2):
Can we assume this would be instead of, rather than in addition to, any 777X order?

Jon Ostrower also tweets IAG wants both A350-1000 and 777-9X aircraft in their fleet.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 2):
Can we assume this would be instead of, rather than in addition to, any 777X order?

Still another 20 odd 744 to replace at some point, and thats if all A35X went to BA.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:01 pm

Quoting bthebest (Reply 5):

True, but unlikely to be split, surely? They are already replacing 744 with a mix of A380 and (if this order materialises) A35J - why add 777X as well?

I actually forgot about the 787 - 10 (d'oh!), so I think the 772 replacement is a straight fight between this and the A350 - 900
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:07 pm

The first post has been updated, the order would also replace the A346 aircraft.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:13 pm

What I don't get is that BA just started taking 77W's. Any A350 order is going to overlap that.

So now their 744 fleet will be replaced by A35J, 77W, and A388. That's a bit discombobulated. Meanwhile, they also have the 787 on order. If they are ordering A359's, we can be pretty certain they won't be ordering 78J's.
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Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:28 pm

The 77Ws are, and were only ever, stop gaps.

Absolutely delighted this pending order has broken surface.      

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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):

Don't forget that the 77Ws were originally brought on as part of the 787 compensation, so will be interesting to see whether BA keep them around for as long as they normally do.

Even if they don't run them till the end of their useful lives, they will be around for a while as replacing all 54-odd 744s is going to take a long time. Once the 77W goes, this could leave the 787 as the only Boeing aircraft in the BA fleet. Quite a turnaround from the current situation!

I am very happy that IAG have plumped for the A350 as their workhorse long haul aircraft, not least because it means many more Rolls-Royce sales!!
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
What I don't get is that BA just started taking 77W's. Any A350 order is going to overlap that.

Yes, but:

- The A35J won't be available until 2017 and they need some large twins right now, so the 77W is the only outcome to fill the temporary gap
- IAG has to replace 17x A346, 15x A343, 52x 747 and 46x 772 (!) and they only have 12x A380, 8x A330 and 6x 77W on order.

[Edited 2013-04-01 13:32:23]
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:33 pm

Why does it have to be so confusing?
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:36 pm

Please acept my apologies, I got the information and I was fast trying to share it with the forum.
The last thing I got was that IAG closed a deal with Airbus for the A350. some 1000 and some 900, the order will cover replacement and grow for both airlines BA and IB. No numbers were discussed and I do not know how many are firms and how many are options. I am clarifiying this because when I made the first post I mentioned about 25 firms and 25 options and this information is not accurate.
This is my guess:
A351 to replace the 747 BA has and A346 from IB
A359 to replace the 772ER BA has and A343 from IB
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting Carls (Reply 13):
A351 to replace the 747 BA has and A346 from IB
A359 to replace the 772ER BA has and A343 from IB

Which is approx 130 frames, if they do as you are suggesting and replace all with A350s in one fell swoop. This could be an absolutely MASSIVE order for Airbus, and a bit of a kick for Boeing's yet to be defined offerings (777X and 787 - 10), as BA at least were surely an airline Boeing had in mind for this planes?

Having said this, it would actually not surprise me to see BA going for the 787 - 10 as well for their East Coast USA flights....

[Edited 2013-04-01 13:52:02]
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 14):
hich is approx 130 frames, if they do as you are suggesting and replace all with A350s in one fell swoop. This could be an absolutely MASSIVE order for Airbus

It would be also a boost for the A351, which until fairly recently, some members were claiming to be DOA.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting Acheron (Reply 15):
It would be also a boost for the A351, which until fairly recently, some members were claiming to be DOA.

I think that was the A358, A35X is quite strong as far as I was aware
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting bthebest (Reply 16):
I think that was the A358, A35X is quite strong as far as I was aware

Up until fairly recently, it was in fact the A351 getting most of the stick on here, ironically. Then a flurry of orders came in, and lots of operators switched from the -800 to the -900, and now it's the smallest model which looks imperilled.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:50 pm

British Airways will go from one of Boeing's strongest customer to mostly Airbus in about a decade.......Amazing. Its all about the product.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:56 pm

Quoting william (Reply 18):
British Airways will go from one of Boeing's strongest customer to mostly Airbus in about a decade.......Amazing. Its all about the product.

And it appears JAL is favoring the A350 too. So two customers Boeing can no longer take for granted. Surely the 787 debacle (especially how Boeing management has handled the entire program) has had some role to play in these decisions.

[Edited 2013-04-01 14:57:38]
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting william (Reply 18):
British Airways will go from one of Boeing's strongest customer to mostly Airbus in about a decade.......Amazing. Its all about the product.

Crazy how fast things change in Aviation huh?
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:21 pm

I see this announcement that both airlines will get both types as a way of not tipping their hat to competitors. I wouldn't guess that BA would actually take the A351/9 + 77X, nor would IAG. I can see the entire IB fleet being replaced with A350s, and about 1/2 of the BA 772s replaced with A359, leaving the remaining 772s, 77Ws and any 744s left to be replaced by the 77X. Even then, it's kind of confusing with the 789 in the fleet.
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Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:23 pm

John Leahy can't be paid enough if this happens, even by Goldman Sachs standards. IF Boeing lets this happen they better turn off the lights in Seattle because the BA 777-9X order was Boeing's to loose. If Airbus gets JAL and BA plus Cathay they might as well cancel the 777 program. Then may be Air France will order the 777-9X since it has GE engines. How ironic that the French Airline would order the non-European plane but BA would get the Toulouse plane.

[Edited 2013-04-01 15:56:03]
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:48 pm

Most of the 77w's in the BA fleet are leased as a stopgap, if this rumour is true it appears that the 77W won't have a long life at BA. Caution however, I remember sources being adamant that BA had chosen the 748 over the 380.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:03 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
they won't be ordering 78J's.

What is a 78J?
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
IF Boeing lets this happen they better turn off the lights in Seattle because the BA 777-9X order was Boeing's to loose

Yeah, turn out the lights, Boeing obviously can't sell any airplanes. Why do they even try to compete  

It's a huge win for Airbus, but does anybody really think this means Boeing won't be able to sell the 777X? BA was barely a customer for the 773, so why is IAG's decision to go Airbus (they are replacing a number of Airbus frames too) such a shocker? Price sells these days. I'm sure Leahy made an offer they couldn't refuse. Not to mention the fact that the A351 will be available before the 777X
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:29 pm

There's a full article up on the WSJ site now (search "IAG A350" to bring it up in Google results).

It opens with remarks that the order for A350s could come as soon as this week, then goes on to say:

Quote:
Even if IAG orders the A350 for British Airways, Boeing is "not out of the running" for a later order for the 777Xs, said one of the people familiar with the carrier's plans. But another person said that if IAG orders A350s, it wouldn't receive preferential terms on Boeing orders.

Early buyers of a new jetliner model, known as launch customers, generally receive preferential terms and big discounts, potentially exceeding 50% off catalog prices.

Boeing's product development unit was scheduled to meet on Monday with top executives and the company's senior advisory group, which is made up of retired top engineers that designed the company's earlier jetliners. The meeting is an important step in the process of preparing the jet's business model ahead of seeking the board's approval, said two people familiar with the meeting.

Interesting message being sent out: "Buy Airbus and you can forget good pricing on Boeing products." I'm not sure how accurate of a message that would be, BA could still be a launch customer for the 777X if it wanted.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:29 pm

It appears the details are still in discussion, so this may not be a "winner take all" RFP like the VLA one was.

As such, IAG could fly the 787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900. A350-1000, 777-9X and A380-800 in the 2020s and beyond.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):
Interesting message being sent out: "Buy Airbus and you can forget good pricing on Boeing products." I'm not sure how accurate of a message that would be, BA could still be a launch customer for the 777X if it wanted.

I'm guessing that means if BA does not want to be a 777-9 launch customer, should they decide to place an order at a later date they will not receive the same discount rate as launch customers.

[Edited 2013-04-01 16:36:15]
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:30 pm

Quoting msp747 (Reply 25):

It's a huge win for Airbus, but does anybody really think this means Boeing won't be able to sell the 777X? BA was barely a customer for the 773, so why is IAG's decision to go Airbus (they are replacing a number of Airbus frames too) such a shocker? Price sells these days. I'm sure Leahy made an offer they couldn't refuse. Not to mention the fact that the A351 will be available before the 777X

What A330 or A340 does BA have to be replaced ? NONE, BA only has 744 AND 777 to be replaced.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:39 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 28):

Quoting msp747 (Reply 25):

It's a huge win for Airbus, but does anybody really think this means Boeing won't be able to sell the 777X? BA was barely a customer for the 773, so why is IAG's decision to go Airbus (they are replacing a number of Airbus frames too) such a shocker? Price sells these days. I'm sure Leahy made an offer they couldn't refuse. Not to mention the fact that the A351 will be available before the 777X

What A330 or A340 does BA have to be replaced ? NONE, BA only has 744 AND 777 to be replaced.

IAG does the purchasing for IB and BA. This order is supposed to be for BA and is 25 frames (we'll assume 25 firm and a similar number of options). IB has the 340s and 330s. BA has the 772s and 744s which need replacing.

This order represents about 1/4 of the 744/777 fleet of BA. I suppose its possible BA could rotate to all Airbus but I doubt it. There would be a much larger order or huge number of options if that was the situation.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:44 pm

Or maybe this is all pure negotiation tactics.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:46 pm

One more thing, a great news is coming from Lufthansa to Airbus!

I am expecting a great year for Airbus at Le Bourget!!!

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 28):

IAG comprises Iberia and British Airways, so they have several A340-300 and 600 that are going to be replaced.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 30):
Or maybe this is all pure negotiation tactics.

As IB flies nothing but Airbus, it makes sense to purchase A350-900s and A350-1000s for them as an A330-300, A340-300 and A340-600 replacement.

And the A350-900 will complement the 787-9 at BA as a 777-200ER replacement, though the 787-10 would offer more capacity for TATL missions.

As for 747-400 replacements, the A350-1000 isn't big enough to be a direct replacement as it lacks the cabin floor area to replace either the High-J or Low-J birds. The 777-9, on the other hand, can handle the same 10-abreast Economy hard product as the 747-400 and the extra 3m of cabin length would allow BA to fit an additional 16 Club World seats on the main deck, which almost handles the 20 seats the 744's upper deck offers.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
As IB flies nothing but Airbus, it makes sense to purchase A350-900s and A350-1000s for them as an A330-300, A340-300 and A340-600 replacement.

How will the A359s perform in hot & hight altitude airports compared to the A340s?
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
John Leahy can't be paid enough if this happens, even by Goldman Sachs standards. IF Boeing lets this happen they better turn off the lights in Seattle because the BA 777-9X order was Boeing's to loose. If Airbus gets JAL and BA plus Cathay they might as well cancel the 777 program.

I find that hard to believe. Both manufacturers offer competitive products and neither can grow to the size that requires the other to 'turn off the lights', nor would the airlines want that to happen.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:14 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
As IB flies nothing but Airbus, it makes sense to purchase A350-900s and A350-1000s for them as an A330-300, A340-300 and A340-600 replacement.

Not so fast with the A333 replacement at IB: the first one joined the fleet two weeks ago!
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:15 am

Quoting Carls (Reply 31):
I am expecting a great year for Airbus

Isn't every year a great year for Airbus?  

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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting troest (Reply 33):
How will the A359s perform in hot & hight altitude airports compared to the A340s?

Better than the 787-9, I expect, thanks to the greater wing area and higher thrust.



Quoting UALWN (Reply 35):
Not so fast with the A333 replacement at IB: the first one joined the fleet two weeks ago!

Indeed.  
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
And the A350-900 will complement the 787-9 at BA as a 777-200ER replacement, though the 787-10 would offer more capacity for TATL missions.

As for 747-400 replacements, the A350-1000 isn't big enough to be a direct replacement as it lacks the cabin floor area to replace either the High-J or Low-J birds.


There is no need to have an direct 744 replacement in terms of size as the 744 isn't the perfect fit for all routes it flies today. Your example regarding the 772 replacement shows just that.
A350-1000 and A380 will take care of the upper and lower end of the current 744 routes. 777-9X in between? Why not?
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Jon Ostrower also tweets IAG wants both A350-1000 and 777-9X aircraft in their fleet.

I can see this happening quite a bit in future. It doesn't always have to be "either-or"

Quoting bthebest (Reply 16):
I think that was the A358, A35X is quite strong as far as I was aware

You better believe the A350-1000 was DOA'd on A-net a very long time ago, and particularly when the weight increase added 2 years to its EIS, resulting in a 200 order year for the 777.
It was a goner. As well as the A358  
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
IF Boeing lets this happen they better turn off the lights in Seattle because the BA 777-9X order was Boeing's to loose

Doesn't have to rule out a later 777-9x order   

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
I'm guessing that means if BA does not want to be a 777-9 launch customer, should they decide to place an order at a later date they will not receive the same discount rate as launch customers.

Which sounds pretty sensible to me

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Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
I'm guessing that means if BA does not want to be a 777-9 launch customer, should they decide to place an order at a later date they will not receive the same discount rate as launch customers.
Quoting astuteman (Reply 39):
Which sounds pretty sensible to me

That's not what the news article says. It says it's an either/or:

Quote:
But another person said that if IAG orders A350s, it wouldn't receive preferential terms on Boeing orders.

That's what I took issue with. It says that if IAG orders the A350, it won't receive launch customer pricing for Boeings, even if IAG ordered as a launch customer.
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
That's what I took issue with. It says that if IAG orders the A350, it won't receive launch customer pricing for Boeings, even if IAG ordered as a launch customer.

Maybe it's an April Fool's joke.  

But in all seriousness, I don't expect Randy Tinseth to demand IAG pay close to list if IAG is willing to order a couple score of 777-9s.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:55 am

Although plausible, this could just be a bunch of malarkey like the "Austrian buying 787" thread. Jon likes to pull April Fools jokes, so I'll take the beer and popcorn approach on this one....
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:16 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
That's what I took issue with. It says that if IAG orders the A350, it won't receive launch customer pricing for Boeings, even if IAG ordered as a launch customer.

Isn't that kind of attitude what caused F9 to switch to Airbus?.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:46 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
As such, IAG could fly the 787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900. A350-1000, 777-9X and A380-800 in the 2020s and beyond.

Which would be nearly every model available except for the A350-800 and 777-8X   But honestly if you are right with this
I could see the order for the -8 being dropped and changed into one for the larger models.

Quoting Carls (Reply 31):
One more thing, a great news is coming from Lufthansa to Airbus!

So soon ? The order was supposed to be announced this fall

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Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:54 am

If this happens I see this as a result of Boeing being to conservative under McNerney.

Albaugh and team clearly saw the compelling economics of the A350 and espcially -1000 in 777 land and wanted to launch the 787-10 and 777-8 and -9 to combat that. They realized they needed to get this done last year to avoid things like this. Clearly it come to a head between Albaugh and McNerney trying to keep the board and stock-market happy, Albaugh left rather then administer another 737MAX situation, i.e. running after a market which is saying "I don't wait for you anymore".

Clearly the swing from McNerny saying "we might launch the 777X for after 2020" to "it will be there 2019 which we have always said" has come over the last 3 months and we know why now. It is a pity that B planning seems to be controled by the bean counters and not by the markets needs and Bs strategic planning department. Boeing will keep the core of the 777-9X market because A does not have a A350 alternative, the rest is in dire straights until Boeing get's firmly going with their programs.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:49 am

From what we know at this point the 777-9X will be
- using the same fuselage diameter as 777, but different materials
- stretch beyond the quasi double stretch of the current 777-300ER
- have a new huge wing with some regulatory challenge (span-wise)
- have new engine that are not at all derivatives of a know variant (but well within known thrust class)
- might have a new MLG ? how about rotation angle ?

Sounds more like a step from A310 to A330 than a step from 737NG to MAX !
So a lot of unknown, uncertainties on schedule

In the other hand the A350 is almost there, and in 2-4 months, every-one will have a clear picture of what the airframe if made of (and what is lacking)

Anyway 777-9X is a really huge airplane as projected, and going to a bigger 777-9X is some sort of acknowledging that not everyone can do point to point


And 747-400 replacement is at most a 400 units market (that's the number of PAX 747-400 produced !), of which more than a hundred istaken by A380 / 747-8I
It's a 777-300ER replacement (more than 700 units, it's a big one for sure)

In the end, it makes sense to order A350's for a 2015-2018 time frame ... and order later 777-9X for 2020
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:51 am

Quoting ferpe (Reply 45):
. It is a pity that B planning seems to be controled by the bean counters and not by the markets needs and Bs strategic planning department. Boeing will keep the core of the 777-9X market because A does not have a A350 alternative, the rest is in dire straights until Boeing get's firmly going with their programs.



One thing seems pretty obvious: The Y project according to which Boeing over a short period of time should have a new product lineup seems now a rather dead duck.
 
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:52 am

This is a huge win for Airbus and an even bigger loss for Boeing. This order could be pivotal in the battle between 777X and A350, just like BA's order for the A380 was for the 747-8i. I think Airbus wanted this order at all cost, just to take the wind out of the sails of the 777X before it has even been launched.

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 6):
Quoting bthebest (Reply 5):
True, but unlikely to be split, surely? They are already replacing 744 with a mix of A380 and (if this order materialises) A35J - why add 777X as well?

Agreed.

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 10):
Once the 77W goes, this could leave the 787 as the only Boeing aircraft in the BA fleet. Quite a turnaround from the current situation!

Absolutely.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 19):
And it appears JAL is favoring the A350 too

This, and it would only need 40 odd order from EK for additional A350-1000 to replace their first tranche of 77W's and the 777X is dead.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 19):
Surely the 787 debacle (especially how Boeing management has handled the entire program) has had some role to play in these decisions.

I'm convinced this is the case. IMO it has undermined the airlines trust in Boeing to deliver their promises. Mishaps do happen (even the A350 is more than a year late), but the 787 debacle has damaged Boeing's reputation far more than they think.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):Interesting message being sent out: "Buy Airbus and you can forget good pricing on Boeing products." I'm not sure how accurate of a message that would be, BA could still be a launch customer for the 777X if it wanted.I'm guessing that means if BA does not want to be a 777-9 launch customer, should they decide to place an order at a later date they will not receive the same discount rate as launch customers.

Then why order the 777-9? It would be smarter to order additional A350-1000s and take up their options for A380s to replace the last 744s. Having both 787, A350, 777 and A380 in their fleet doesn't sound very efficient.

Quoting ferpe (Reply 45):

Very well said, IMO it summarises perfectly the hole Boeing dug out for themselves. Except for the 787-9, Boeing will have no products superior to its main rival Airbus.
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RE: IAG To Order A351 And A359

Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
What I don't get is that BA just started taking 77W's.

Which were originally intended as interim lift. Don't forget that four of the original six (I think) were leased frames.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 15):
It would be also a boost for the A351, which until fairly recently, some members were claiming to be DOA.

Mainly by those Boeing fanboyz that couldn't accept that Airbus could produce a viable challenger to the 777.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
As such, IAG could fly the 787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900. A350-1000, 777-9X and A380-800 in the 2020s and beyond.

It's very likely in the long-term that IB becomes an all-A350 operator. Given that, I really don't see BA operating as many variants and types as you're suggesting.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 30):
Or maybe this is all pure negotiation tactics.

Isn't it always?   
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