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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:14 am

To me personally it's weird that none of the US Airports have glass jetways.

Does anyone know why US Airports don't have glass jetbridges?

It's weird that the new TBIT at LAX doesn't have glass jetways. Same with MIA's Concourse J and SFO's Terminal 2 for example.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:34 am

From what I heard it was to save money and for security related reasons. Not sure the specs but I'm assuming they don't want anyone breaking the glass out and jumping in the airfield  
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:41 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

Exactly. Also it would probably be to costly to repair it every time it cracks or breaks.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:42 am

Ontario Intl (KONT) has a few glass jetways at both Terminal 2 and 4. They are pretty cool to board with, although they do get warm in the summer
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Quoting mia305 (Reply 2):

Yes because in other places it occurs so often. Plus, if this reason was valid then I am sure other airports would be reluctant to introduce them.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:53 am

Quoting swafa27 (Reply 3):

Must have not paid attention as I never saw any glass jetbridges at ONT when I flew out of there last month.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:55 am

All I was saying was when and if it does happen it would "probably be to costly".
I never said it happens a lot nor did I say it was the exact reason.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:58 am

Because no one cares. Liverys are one thing (which a number of people have been saying don't matter to the travelling public; they do), but a jetway with glass walls instead of metal is simply not a concern for most people, and is more expensive for the installer (installation, keeping it clean, repair, etc.) One only spends a minute or two in a jetway anyways unless something is significantly wrong, or you work with one.

More glass jetways will appear when terminals are fully rebuilt, as it's the current design trend (like Art Deco was during the 1920s and 1930s), but only then.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:05 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):

They're the middle gates that are equipped with them at both terminals
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:09 am

Per NFPA 415 Federal regulations
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:10 am

Amarillo (AMA) actually has a new terminal with glass jet bridges.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:11 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 4):
Yes because in other places it occurs so often. Plus, if this reason was valid then I am sure other airports would be reluctant to introduce them.

I was being sarcastic.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:11 am

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 8):

I boarded from gate 403, so that might explain why I missed them.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:30 am

Per this thread: The US's Culture & Glass Jet Bridges (by Independence76 Oct 9 2012 in Civil Aviation) SBA a glass jetway.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:50 am

The new terminal at SGF has glass jetbridges...
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:09 am

ADL airport all air bridges are glass - great views when walking off the plane. Australia has very high building safety standards so I don't see it is a real safety issue. Doesn't appear to have been a maintenance issue there either.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:26 am

The new SBA terminal has glass jetways.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:32 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."

sounds like the eleventh commandment.

Did anyone tell the FAA that there is glass which an ordinary person cannot break just like that?

The cost argument I can understand in a country where most airports are run by the municipalities, but security? Those who can walk through glass can walk through concrete and metal as well. But Robocop and the like would not pass the TSA screening, or would they?
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:49 am

It's for fire safety reasons - both internal (say a fire breaks inside the aerobridge, less chance it spreading outside where there is fuel-loaded aircraft) and external (say a fire occurs outside, less chance penetrating inside the building.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:58 am

Glass fills all these security requirements, otherwise it would not be used for the purpose. If fire protection would be a valid argument, there would not be any glass windows at anyairport.

As said, the only valid argument is cost.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:42 am

Gatwick has a wopping great bridge.


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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:47 am

It is to do with the US Fire code ..must allow for X number of mins in the event of a ramp fuel fire. so the pax can deplane and get inside the terminal....Im sure there is a way to have fireproof glass but that add Thousands per bridge, also some pax may be "scared" to walk though the jetbridge when they see the fire.. some of our US fire code experts can explain better..
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:51 pm

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 14):
The new terminal at SGF has glass jetbridges...

Partially. The SGF jet bridges are glassed in from the terminal to the ramp service towers, then standard metal from there out to the boarding threshold:

 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:11 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):

Per NFPA 415 Federal regulations
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."

Wow. Clearly, the US government is waaaay too big and intrusive. What a great argument for making the government smaller. Is there really a need to be concerned about this? (It's a non-partisan comment, so no political digs. We're not in non-av.   )
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Here's a shot of KAMA's from inside SWA 737:

Big version: Width: 2592 Height: 1936 File size: 1812kb


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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 23):
Per NFPA 415 Federal regulations
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."
Wow. Clearly, the US government is waaaay too big and intrusive. What a great argument for making the government smaller. Is there really a need to be concerned about this? (It's a non-partisan comment, so no political digs. We're not in non-av. )

I see the point about fire safety. I would also imagine that with the propensity for many parts of the country to see high winds, severe thunderstorms, and tornadoes, that having no glass in the jet bridge makes for less possiblity of glass breaking, either due to wind itself or debris striking the glass.

By the same token, can you imagine how hot a glass jet bridge can get in the summer. I've been at airports, when it's 85 degrees or warmer on a sunny day. Sitting by the windows can be significatnly warmer than only a few feet away from the sunlight. A glass jet bridge, with little or no HVAC, would be roasting hot.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:24 pm

SBA has them in their new terminal.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:33 pm

See this article from the National Fire Protection Agency for more on these standards. I was surprised to learn that the metal jetbridges have to withstand fire and provide an egress path for 5 minutes in the event of a spill fire. Could be hard for glass to meet that standard.

Personally, I don't really think that glass would be any more unsafe. And it looks SO much nicer...
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Here are a couple pics of SBA's jetways being installed:
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:57 pm

GRK has a glass jetbridge. We used it at Colgan once when the ramp was full.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting sulley (Reply 10):
Amarillo (AMA) actually has a new terminal with glass jet bridges.

Yup. I was in AMA last month and all jet bridges are glass. Beautiful terminal for an airport in the middle of nowhere... LOL
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:03 pm

FSD has one glass jet-bridge, and I think plans are to at some point get more. It's basically the same jet-bridge that AMA has (the one that xcoaster1 posted), but brown, as the terminal itself is brown.

They're pretty impressive, actually, but I'm sure they cost a boat load of money.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 pm

At ALB, WN uses a dual-jetbridge system, with one, standard jetbridge for the front of the plane, and a glass jetbridge to the rear of the plane. It's pretty cool to use the one that goes to the rear of the plane, as the jetbridge gets pretty close to the wing, and you get a nice view.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:01 pm

Just came to think about if LAX had glass jetbridges spotters at Imperial Hill would be able to see PAX boarding the airplane. That would have been fun!
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:09 pm

... the real reason is that the airport design was finished in the 1950's, and since there has not been any reason for interior, exterior, materials or any other changes.

  
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting 727tiger (Reply 22):
The SGF jet bridges are glassed in from the terminal to the ramp service towers, then standard metal from there out to the boarding threshold:

ACY has the same exact set up on 2 of their gates (5 and 6)
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 7):
ublic; they do), but a jetway with glass walls instead of metal is simply not a concern for most people, and is more expensive for the installer (installation, keeping it clean, repair, etc.)

That was my first concern. Cost. Fixing the seals on the windows (on a movable assembly) and the cleaning.

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 14):

The new terminal at SGF has glass jetbridges...
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
As said, the only valid argument is cost.

I concur. But dang it:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):

Per NFPA 415 Federal regulations
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."

Our government has become too big.  
Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 20):
Unfortunately, heat is seldom a problem in the UK.

   True. But that bundles in with cost (air conditioning).

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 34):

... the real reason is that the airport design was finished in the 1950's, and since there has not been any reason for interior, exterior, materials or any other changes.

You are onto something there...  


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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:21 pm

Just to clear a few things.
NFPA is not a US Government Agency, it is a private association that writes recommendations, what they write has no force of law. It is up to local fire officials, notably the fire marshall to give ok on the construction and they take into account NFPA recommendations, many of them adopt these recommendations as force of law in their own jurisdictions. Lots of communities have been able to get the fire marshalls to give an ok, I think that's a good thing. Cost also comes into play not only for installation and maintenance, but due to HVAC concerns especially in sunny climates. It becomes a greenhouse.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:15 pm

Answer is very simple. They cost more and require more maintenance. For example, windows require cleaning. And passengers only want to board and deplane as quickly as possible and have no interest in paying higher airport taxes to cover such needless luxuries. The airports should be spending money on things that are more meaningful to passengers.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
Per NFPA 415 Federal regulations
"There shall be no transparent or translucent walls, windows, or surfaces, other than those windows located in the ramp access service door and in the cab area for the purpose of operating the aircraft loading walkway."

This. You can have an extension that is glass with no issues, but the unit that contacts the aircraft cannot be unless it can withstand a burn for a specified amount of time. Cant remember what the burn time is. NFPA is a recommendation, but the local fire marshal generally won't go against it.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 23):
Wow. Clearly, the US government is waaaay too big and intrusive. What a great argument for making the government smaller. Is there really a need to be concerned about this? (It's a non-partisan comment, so no political digs. We're not in non-av. )


Has to do with burn time. A few have been approved, but they carry a nice premium for the glass.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:29 pm

I think its a bigger fire hazard if the walls were NOT GLASS. If there's a fire and there are glass walls, at least you could smash the glass to escape. Being enclosed in a metal tube during a fire is certainly NOT SAFE.
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PAE:





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Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 40):
I think its a bigger fire hazard if the walls were NOT GLASS. If there's a fire and there are glass walls, at least you could smash the glass to escape. Being enclosed in a metal tube during a fire is certainly NOT SAFE.


Takes longer to heat steel than it does glass, plus you can't see the fire which makes you more likely to keep moving. These two issues are why the NFPA recommendation hasn't changed in decades.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting jcded (Reply 37):

Just to clear a few things.
NFPA is not a US Government Agency, it is a private association that writes recommendations, what they write has no force of law.

Thank you. Learned something. It's a relief that it's not "the government" after all.

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 39):
You can have an extension that is glass with no issues, but the unit that contacts the aircraft cannot be unless it can withstand a burn for a specified amount of time. Cant remember what the burn time is. NFPA is a recommendation, but the local fire marshal generally won't go against it.

Another interesting factoid. Thanks.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
The airports should be spending money on things that are more meaningful to passengers.

Actually, glass jetways would be something very meaningful to passengers. I am not a claustrophobic person but I sure feel closed in walking down the longer versions of these tubes. They feel smaller than a DHC8-200!
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 23):
Wow. Clearly, the US government is waaaay too big and intrusive.

the NFPA is not the US government. it is the professional association of fire protection people.

Quoting jcded (Reply 37):
NFPA is not a US Government Agency

correct.

Quoting jcded (Reply 37):
what they write has no force of law. It is up to local fire officials, notably the fire marshall to give ok on the construction and they take into account NFPA recommendations, many of them adopt these recommendations as force of law in their own jurisdictions.

to be fair, the federal government can also adopt industry codes and standards. Some googling suggests that maybe the FAA does (or did) either suggest or require that NFPA 415 be followed.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 41):
PAE:

That is a NICE jetbridge!

Quoting jcded (Reply 37):
NFPA is not a US Government Agency, it is a private association that writes recommendations

Oops. I feel foolish. But their recommendations probably help set insurance rates...

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 39):
NFPA is a recommendation, but the local fire marshal generally won't go against it.

That too.   But I think insurance rates would matter just as much.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:48 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 23):
Clearly, the US government is waaaay too big and intrusive.

The US government has nothing to do with the NFPA.

It is an INTERNATIONAL association to promote fire safety, though focused in the US.

It has NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY. The 'regulations' are not enforceable.

However, there is a strong economic enforcement of NFPA code - by the insurance industry.

Not complying with NFPA can make it impossible to obtain insurance, or at least very costly.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:28 am

FSD has one, and it is a sauna in the summer. Unbelievably hot compared to a metal one. To me it is unnecessary. But then again, nobody asked me.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 am

The glass jetbridges at ONT are partial. The glass section is stationary and it is over a roof on gates 205,206,207, and 405, 406, and 407. The 4xx gates are WN's.

I didn't find any photos on a.net but you can see them on google maps if you zoom in to the birdseye angle. When looking at T2, 201 is an RJ gate with no jetway all the way on the left. The gate with the OO CRJ in UA tulip scheme is 202.
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:25 am

See webcam from Adelaide Airport (ADL) which shows their transparent airbridges.

http://www.adelaideairport.com.au/ai...rs/south-australia#terminal-webcam

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