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Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:29 pm

at EBACE 2013 in Geneva.



I am looking forward to see this new jet made by Pilatus.

Source: www.pilatus-aircraft.com

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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:07 pm

Wait... what?

I've never heard of it... and I'm from Switzerland...  Wow!


Great to see another airplane from Pilatus that has the potential to be a killer on the market. First the PC-6 Porter/Turbo Porter, and now a kind of jet bush plane.  


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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:01 am

Looks like a Fokker 70!
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 2):

More so a Lear 45
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 2):
Quoting corey07850 (Reply 3):

...and the picture could be deliberately... wrong.


There was a project of a all-CFRP plane, the Grob G180 SPn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_G180_SPn

A collaboration with Pilatus was proposed, and then Pilatus backed out. The G180 was a business jet that could use unimproved runways. I really wonder if Pilatus has bought the plans to that aircraft after Grob Aerospace went bankrupt.


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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Interesting. I didn't know they were planning a jet. Hopefully some pics will surface soon.
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:32 pm

Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:34 pm

Yes, for me it's great news that a new jet aircraft is produced in Switzerland!


The last project was more than 50 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Swiss_Air_Force (section "N-20 and P-16").


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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:53 pm

this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:00 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 8):
this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy

Not really, especially with the death of the Hawker line.

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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):

Quoting queb (Reply 8):
this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy

Not really, especially with the death of the Hawker line.

-DiamondFlyer

and why Hawker line is dead ?

Check Cessna deliveries for the last five years, check Learjet deliveries, all goes down. Embraer does well with Phenoms, Honda is coming...
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:08 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 10):
and why Hawker line is dead ?

Hawker Beechcraft is no longer such a company. It's Beechcraft. One of the major portions of their bankruptcy dealings they recently went thru was that they dumped the entire Hawker name and line 400, 800/900, 4000. They even went so far as to dump the warranty on recently delivered aircraft.

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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 10):
and why Hawker line is dead ?

Hawker Beechcraft went bankrupt and upon exit of bankruptcy is only building Beechcraft propeller aircraft.

Hawker parts and support for the jets will continue, just no new jets.

I haven't seen a final word on the Hawker line.
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
Hawker Beechcraft is no longer such a company. It's Beechcraft. One of the major portions of their bankruptcy dealings they recently went thru was that they dumped the entire Hawker name and line 400, 800/900, 4000. They even went so far as to dump the warranty on recently delivered aircraft.

-DiamondFlyer

I know all this, but the manufacturer probably had good reasons to drop Hawker. From 129 deliveries in 2008 to 29 in 2012...
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:54 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
There was a project of a all-CFRP plane, the Grob G180 SPn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_G180_SPn

A collaboration with Pilatus was proposed, and then Pilatus backed out. The G180 was a business jet that could use unimproved runways. I really wonder if Pilatus has bought the plans to that aircraft after Grob Aerospace went bankrupt.

Eh, I don't know about that. An all composite aircraft probably I doubt would be a good choice for flights to unimproved airports. Composites of a given thickness are more sensitive to crack propagation than metals. And at unimproved airports stuff like gravel being thrown up by the tires and hitting the fuselage might be more of an issue.
 
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RE: Pilatus Unveils PC-24...

Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:03 am

Quoting queb (Reply 13):
I know all this, but the manufacturer probably had good reasons to drop Hawker. From 129 deliveries in 2008 to 29 in 2012...

Yes, because you can only squeeze so much blood out of a product before a clean sheet is needed to do better. How long have the 400 and 800 been around? Then, look at how poorly the development process of the 4000 went, and Hawker was never going to be building a new jet again, and everyone knew it.

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