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Status Of N636DL?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:31 pm

Sorry if this was discussed before... I was jumpseating to ORD on Monday this week and saw at the TOC in ATL N636DL with its tail painted over and Delta removed from the aircraft. Is this aircraft being retired or returned? Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:47 pm

According to Planespotters.net, 636DL is 25 years old and many of DL's 757's delivered around 1988 have been recently stored. I am guessing 636DL is in the process of being stored as well.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:31 pm

Going back to lessor. The leasing company is going to fly it somewhere and chop it up. We are buying the engines back from them.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:52 am

Ships 637 and 638 are not far behind. Sadly, they will suffer the same fate.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 3):
638

Wasn't she the first A/C to wear the new colors? From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:04 am

FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:46 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor

Not these airframes. All are due for HMV. They are all also getting close to their lifetime cycle limits I think, so doing an HMV makes no sense.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:24 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  

**If** they did, it would only be for scrapping/spare parts.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:06 am

Quoting bhmdiversion (Thread starter):

going to end up as beer cans. Sadly.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  

unlikely. If they did it would be a parts plane only.

as 88 said Delta is buying the PW2000s from the leasing company, wouldn't be shocked to see other parts end up back at Delta.
You won't be seeing to many DL 57s going to FX. They are parking them as they hit cycle limits.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Wasn't she the first A/C to wear the new colors? From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?

Yes that is Jerry's Plane. Also has AVOD. (and as you said winglets.)

636/637 are non-winglet/non-AVOD birds.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:22 am

All these planes have around 80,000 Hours / 38,000 Cycles. FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

[Edited 2013-04-04 04:37:07]
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

What changed was many more 757's available with lower hours and cycles!!
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 8):
Also has AVOD. (and as you said winglets.)

Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

The owner of those birds perhaps? Perhaps the owner of N636DL-N638DL found it more profitable to scrap them vs. the original owner of N990FD-N992FD selling them to FX.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 11):
Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

My understanding is no.

As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):

As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.

no telling. I haven't heard it but it seems hard to believe the system will just get scraped.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
My understanding is no.

I don't know. I would think that in theory they could? It would just take another 757 getting the required work to be able to support winglets plus the work to get them off. I would think cost would be the issue.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 11):
Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

No. The removable winglet itself may find a new home replacing a damaged unit on a wingleted bird. All the structure added inside the wing / fuel tanks that supports the winglet goes to the scrapper.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:59 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 14):
No. The removable winglet itself may find a new home replacing a damaged unit on a wingleted bird. All the structure added inside the wing / fuel tanks that supports the winglet goes to the scrapper.

So basically the winglet itself can be removed but to put it on another DL 757 they would have to get all the support work done as well.

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Just from looking at my sources 625, 626, 628, 636, 653, 657, 5526, and 5527 will be returned as well. No word on what the lessors will do with them though. Also, ship 124 (76Q) will go back to the bank. The other domestic 767s in storage are safe - for now.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:19 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Also, ship 124 (76Q) will go back to the bank

I thought 124 was parked already? Flew 121 a few weeks ago - looked great inside and out!
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:43 pm

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):
I thought 124 was parked already? Flew 121 a few weeks ago - looked great inside and out!

It is parked along with a couple others but this is the only one that will be going back to its lessor this year.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 6):
Not these airframes. All are due for HMV. They are all also getting close to their lifetime cycle limits I think, so doing an HMV makes no sense.

As a side note to DL's fleet, the oldest MD-88s are getting very close to the original certified cycle limits. It would appear the life extension program is being applied to the MD-88, but sadly, not the 752.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:23 pm

Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:51 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
When will the first 737-900's be on property?

November I think. So this summer season should be interesting..
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:23 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?

All frames I listed are already in storage although most won't be going back until Q4'13.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates.

Hard HMV dates. Ship 636 ran out about 10 days ago. Ships 637 and 638 run out in the next 3 months.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:51 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Just from looking at my sources 625, 626, 628, 636, 653, 657, 5526, and 5527 will be returned as well.

All been parked at Marana for some time. 5526 got parked in NWA colors with the NW interior; 5527 got repainted and the DL interior refresh.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):
I thought 124 was parked already?

124 got parked in September

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.

The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757. Plus you'd have the issue of installing 75X seats into the factory delivered configured 757's which have a different layout (24 vs 26 in first) including the 2L galley. Not sure it's an issue but unless DL were to redo a 757 into a 75X, you'd have one bird with TV but a F24Y159 layout.

When DL parked the 76Q's it used the seats and screens to go into the first batch of international 767's with TV's at every seat.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:54 am

Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time, on it's way to the scrapper. Flt 9931 4-19-2013.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 24):
Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time,
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931

I assume that since this a/c was past due on HMV, a ferry permit was needed for this flight.

Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:18 am

As Captain on her first flight out of RNT in February of 1988 it make me feel a little older.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 23):
Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):I thought 124 was parked already?
124 got parked in September

Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:31 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 27):
Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.



Are you sure 124 isn't being prepped for the lessor? It may be in the contract. It's slated to be returned to the finance company this year.

126 however is being shown as a part of the active fleet for the foreseeable future.

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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:31 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 23):
The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757.

huh? I have never had a problem with it. (at least nothing a simple re-boot didn't fix)

and I would rather have that than getting the fun of looking at the back of a seat for 4 hours like the joys of flying MD90s and 320s.

I will take thing time just a rant a little but about the Panasonic guys that work...strike that....sit on the airplane and act like they work. Has anyone actually seem them do anything? seems like anytime im near one they are just chillin. (oh and God help you if your dumb enough to walk in front of the air vent they cut in the hose. It doesn't matter if you have to go outside the aircraft and open another door.....you do not walk in front of a Panasonic person AC.)

ah really though. I heard that its costing nearly 1M for the CRT to LCD mods on the 757s. (no idea how true that is) If thats the case I am not sure they can get the ROI to re-fit the AVOD systems out of 757s that are being WFU

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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:13 am

Ship 636 used to make the rounds into PHX alot, I always had to ride brakes on her when we had to tow it over to remote.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 25):
Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.

Said it before and I will say it again, not looking forward to this move. Please oh please DL god let the 739s have a carpet system for the bins.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 27):
Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.

At least some good news is coming out of this.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:06 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 24):
Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time, on it's way to the scrapper. Flt 9931 4-19-2013.
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 25):
Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.

That's just sad to see a good workhorse like that leave the fleet.
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:53 am

As a very long time aviation/maintenance guy I don't understand why you would need or want to scrap an aircraft with such low cycles??? Hours mean very little in aviation when it comes to maintenance. Granted engine hours (probably not the original engines anyway) and time limited parts but structurally these aircraft should be sound. Yes they may be up on a heavy check but that is only a couple million dollars, compared to ??million. I just don't understand the logic, maybe fuel costs? Maintenance costs on a new aircraft are going to be equivalent. Folks think just because it is new it requires no maintenance but they do, alot in some cases. Most RON maintenance is scheduled and OTS is usually due to parts failure or outside forces such as lightning, birds, ice, hail, ramp rash. Our aircraft spend more time OTS due to the previous then any other reason. Especially the lightning! 2 to 4 days OTS for minor strikes but with Boeings new procedures it is a major pain.
 
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RE: Status Of N636DL?

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:11 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 32):

you part it out because that is what makes the most money. I'm sure the owner shopped the aircraft around and couldn't get a better price to keep it flying.
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