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Etihad Plans 4th US City In 2014; Major Partners

Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:41 pm

On the sidelines of this weeks Washington D.C. inaugural service, CEO James Hogan said "We have another American city tabled for next year," he said. "We'll announce it at the back-end of this year."

Dulles becomes the carriers 4th North America destination adding to Chicago, JFK and Toronto.

Hogan also promised news about "Major new partners within the next few weeks. We've got three coming in the next few weeks. A couple of them will take the world by surprise. They're both major alliance members."

So what is #4 ?

Me thinks it will be the West Coast.


Story:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/04/03/etihad/2049069/

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:44 pm

I would assume LAX. No reason, but seems logical. Or SLC. JK about that.....
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 1):
I would assume LAX



I would agree, seeming I was asked about ORD being used as diversion city for a west coast flight.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:59 pm

Just to get out of the obvious (LAX), a major global partner could be DL? Considering how Etihad is approaching everyone at SkyTeam (AFKL, Alitalia, Czech, Saudia...)... maybe out of the other 2 also Aeroflot, Vietnam or Korean to expand their network in Russia/Asia?

In that case, maybe moving the ATL-DXB to ATL-AUH operated by Etihad could make some sense (they made the same with Garuda)? Just wondering, ATL is the busiest airport in the world and they don't have service from the ME3 (yet there is service with DL to the Gulf).
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Me thinks it will be the West Coast.


Obvious one is LAX but will they start off with SFO?
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:17 pm

LAX would be a no-brainer. I can see Ethiad start services to LAX.

And why not MIA as well?     
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:35 pm

Dark Horse maybe: IAH?
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 3):
In that case, maybe moving the ATL-DXB to ATL-AUH operated by Etihad could make some sense

I do not think so. DL fills up ATL-DXB with connections from the South-east. That is a 1-stop flight to DXB. If ETihad operates ATL-AUH, that adds the extra stop which may not work since there are plenty of other options if one has to go for a 2-stop DXB route.

Quoting miami (Reply 5):
LAX would be a no-brainer. I can see Ethiad start services to LAX.

While LAX seems a no-brainer, will Etihad be willing to go against EK at LAX? Does Etihad have the aircraft to do AUH-LAX ?
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 7):
will Etihad be willing to go against EK at LAX?

They go against EK to JFK, YYZ and now IAD, along with other stations globally. The carriers compete vigorously.

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 7):
Does Etihad have the aircraft to do AUH-LAX ?

They have both the A345 and 77W.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:52 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Hogan also promised news about "Major new partners within the next few weeks. We've got three coming in the next few weeks. A couple of them will take the world by surprise. They're both major alliance members."

This has me curious. Only DL and UA remain 'open' for US partners unless AA joins the 'we're in OneWorld but will ignore the regional partner club.'

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 3):
Just to get out of the obvious (LAX), a major global partner could be DL?

If its DL as a partner.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):

Dark Horse maybe: IAH?

If its UA as a partner.


I expect ORD or MIA if AA is the north American partner.


But wouldn't the most 'out there' surprise of a partner for North America be AC?    So if we're really talking 'dark hourse,' have AC fly YYZ-AUH and then EY fly to a 2nd Canadian destination.    Ok, like a 1% chance (at most), but hey, if we're going to talk 'Dark Horse' theories.   

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 7):
Does Etihad have the aircraft to do AUH-LAX ?

EK does it with the 77W, which is in EY's fleet. Or the A345. Either are built for ULH.

Quoting miami (Reply 5):
And why not MIA as well?

Only if AA partners with them.   


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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
Only if AA partners with them.

AA already partners with EY.

http://www.etihadairways.com/en/about-us/our-partners/
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:13 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
They go against EK to JFK, YYZ and now IAD, along with other stations globally. The carriers compete vigorously.

In the case of DC, EY announced IAD first and then EK jumped into it as well (and finally EK started IAD before EY).

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
But wouldn't the most 'out there' surprise of a partner for North America be AC? So if we're really talking 'dark hourse,' have AC fly YYZ-AUH and then EY fly to a 2nd Canadian destination. Ok, like a 1% chance (at most), but hey, if we're going to talk 'Dark Horse' theories.

I thought as well about AC when they say "A couple of them will take the world by surprise"... let's see.  
Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 10):
AA already partners with EY.

http://www.etihadairways.com/en/about-us/our-partners/

Soon it will be shorter to list the airlines EY has no partnership with. My feeling is that the government of AUH is quite interested to attract foreign carriers to their airport. They don't have Emirates (nor an airport like DXB where every other carrier flies to), nor even a more recognizable carrier like QR (even if there are very few other airlines in DOH)... so at least they want to make AUH an hybrid with Etihad and a "hub" of foreign carriers. By partnering with EY (and I guess offering them good conditions), they have got Air Berlin, Alitalia, Czech Airlines, Garuda (moving from DXB), KLM and Virgin Australia on board. Not bad.

That was my point about Delta... if they could get them moving to Abu Dhabi... it will probably be a triumph over Dubai in this UAE political-sheikh battle.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:41 am

Two new partners I am guessing would be DL and KE.

Please note that ATL-DXB is a very successful route for DL with J class usually being sold out. A lot of their DXB pax connect onwards to FZ and 4Q to KBL and Iraq respectively and pay high fares for doing so.

AUH does not have the number of flights to both these markets versus DXB hence if DL switch to AUH, it wont be in their best interest. Rather EY should seriously look at terminating its relationship with AA on domestic USA and trans-atlantic services and instead focus on code sharing with DL who offer a bigger domestic network out of JFK and IAD. In addition, DL's presence in mainland Europe to USA is far bigger than AA in the key markets of France, Germany, Benelux, Italy and Scandinavia where AA lacks an effective presence. The 4th city in USA I would guess for EY would be LAX or ATL. LAX-AUH can be easily operated with their new B77W (3 class version) and be scheduled in the same manner as EK 215/216.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:46 am

Food for thought -- the head of strategy at Etihad is former SVP Network at United. Surely he is still well connect with his former colleagues and Star partners.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
I expect ORD or MIA if AA is the north American partner.

Etihad has been serving Chicago since 2009.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:02 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

Kevin Knight? Good point. But I would also note that Delta had a pretty decent presence at the IAC luncheon where Hogan made these comments, so who knows...
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:04 am

I hope it would be American as it would be the best for Air Berlin in which EY has a stake in.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:23 am

I say IAH due to the energy sector traffic as well as people using the middle east as a 1 stop to there next destination. Also Houston and Abu Dhabi are sister cities. If not Houston than Dallas to target traffic down south that's my guess.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:31 am

Quoting columba (Reply 15):

Can't see it with AA's recently announced codeshare deal with QR and rumours of a deal with EK.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:50 am

It better be LAX! . But why wait till 2014?  
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:52 pm

Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 10):
AA already partners with EY.

True, I phrased poorly. I meant at MIA.   

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Etihad has been serving Chicago since 2009.

OOPs... my bad.   

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Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:11 pm

It is most likely LAX, followed by MIA. Since Skyteam is a likely partner, ATL is likely, however the DL flight will be cannibalized from ATL, so it is most likely LAX and LAX can handle one more carrier. IAH is unlikely as it has too many carriers to the middle east area (EK, QR and TK).
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:58 pm

SFO? LAX? PDX? YVR is not yet served by the Middle East...
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:15 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Food for thought -- the head of strategy at Etihad is former SVP Network at United. Surely he is still well connect with his former colleagues and Star partners.

Yet, we're talking about an airline (EY) which publically favours Skyteam. Moreover, all their recentg actions (AF, AZ, GA, KL and KQ partnerships) are more towards Skyteam than Star. Finally, I recall that LH (the grandfather of Star) doesn't actually like gulf airlines.

Quoting hohd (Reply 20):
Since Skyteam is a likely partner, ATL is likely

Your assumption is that EY will go for feeding a hub. I think that they won't go for a hub airport. However, I don't think they'll do that (they'll letg ATL for DL). My guess would be LAX, SFO or IAH.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 18):
It better be LAX! . But why wait till 2014?

Probably lack of aircraft. They can't operate one of their own flights to CDG (1 daily will be operated by an AF A340) and have leased an A330 from 9W.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 3):
Just to get out of the obvious (LAX), a major global partner could be DL? Considering how Etihad is approaching everyone at SkyTeam (AFKL, Alitalia, Czech, Saudia...)... maybe out of the other 2 also Aeroflot, Vietnam or Korean to expand their network in Russia/Asia?

I would say China Southern together with Korean and Aeroflot (as they still have their US agreement with AA). They already have a codeshare partnership with VN, so they won't be it.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:21 pm

Surely I don't know what I'm talking about, but who flies Etihad? I can't imagine they have much of a local market, and competition from the US to South Asia is very deep.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:34 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 23):
Surely I don't know what I'm talking about, but who flies Etihad? I can't imagine they have much of a local market, and competition from the US to South Asia is very deep.

I don't know who exactly is flying Etihad but I can tell you that their AUH-ORD-AUH flight does extremely well they have a lot of local passengers as well as connecting passengers from both AA and UA and the plane goes out full almost every day . Although I will say that the plane they use for Chicago is their 2 class 777-300er with 384 seats in coach alone so I'm not sure how their yields are on this particular route especially with Air India flying out of Chicago as well.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:58 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 12):
focus on code sharing with DL who offer a bigger domestic network out of JFK and IAD

DL has a very meager flight schedule out of IAD. Codeshare would not be a factor there, O&D would be.
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 24):
with Air India flying out of Chicago as well

Also PIA.