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Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:00 pm

An article on NBCNews.com reports that Delta will decrease the size of its lavatories on board its 737-900s in order to fit 4 additional seats in the cabin:

http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/shrink...lta-fits-four-more-seats-1C9184100

This march toward cramming seats into every last crevice and space on board an aircraft makes Ryanair's proposal that passengers stand up seem less ludicrous every day!
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:15 pm

So they are going to unnoticably shrink the lav and add recline to seats that didn't previously have it... and people still complain? Brilliant!
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:19 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
This march toward cramming seats into every last crevice and space on board an aircraft makes Ryanair's proposal that passengers stand up seem less ludicrous every day!

How so?

From the article: Will passengers feel the squeeze in what already constitutes tight quarters for all but the smallest passengers? No, said Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant via e-mail, as the design utilizes previously unused space behind the sink and a sculpted exterior wall.

So if it's unnoticeable to the passenger, how is it remotely in the same ballpark as the Ryanair proposal?
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
4 additional seats in the cabin:

Can NBC explain how they will add 4 seats in coach as stated in the article? There are 6 seats in each row of Y on a 737.
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
This march toward cramming seats into every last crevice and space on board an aircraft makes Ryanair's proposal that passengers stand up seem less ludicrous every day!

Ladies and Gentleman...Welcome aboard Greyhound Airlines...

Corporations are always pushing the free market concept. Delta will spend all this money making the transition, the customer rejects this, the airline remove it and then......

...... THEY FILE BANKRUPTCY and the exploitation of the system starts all over again... MORE SEATS do not not do anything to make employment more secure for the worker.

How about the airlines stop participating in FUEL SPECULATION and drive the cost of gas back down to realistic levels.

These kind of STUNTS make me glad I am no longer in the industry.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting rsmith6621a (Reply 4):
Ladies and Gentleman...Welcome aboard Greyhound Airlines...

Corporations are always pushing the free market concept. Delta will spend all this money making the transition, the customer rejects this, the airline remove it and then......

...... THEY FILE BANKRUPTCY and the exploitation of the system starts all over again... MORE SEATS do not not do anything to make employment more secure for the worker.

How about the airlines stop participating in FUEL SPECULATION and drive the cost of gas back down to realistic levels.

These kind of STUNTS make me glad I am no longer in the industry.

What an eloquent response. Now go fact check what is actually happening here. Seat pitch isn't being reduced.. the use of the space in the lav is only being made more efficient. But, by all means, react with emotion instead of logic.  
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
An article on NBCNews.com reports that Delta will decrease the size of its lavatories on board its 737-900s in order to fit 4 additional seats in the cabin:

Past due. That was wasted space. Although, someone explain to me how they found room for 4 seats when it is 3 per side... I assume this is a mix of F/Y addition?


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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:53 pm

my fav quote from the article.. "your standing there traveling at 500 MPH. They ain't water on the floor.."

Yet, DAILY, I see passengers go into the lav barefeet or only with socks.. I don't even try to explain any more.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:01 pm

Oh but could this mean there WILL be a "mid-cabin" 3rd lav....PLEAASSE!
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:02 pm

Hah! The 739 is such a dog.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:02 pm

I suspect that in the future Delta will offer, in addition to the new smaller toilets, "comfort toilets" for a fee for those wishing a few extra inches in the loo in order to do luxury things like turn around or tie your shoelace.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:06 pm

Jury is still out for me if there really is that much wasted space in a design that is already very compact to allow an extra row and 4 seats onto an aircraft without some pinching of the legroom. While the 31-32" seat pitch for Y listed on DL.com for the 738 might still be very true on the 739 I have a feeling there will be a whole heck of a lot more at 31" than 32". Passengers really are an inconvenience to airlines, what with our desires to sit in something approaching half comfortable, stand up, go to the toilet etc  
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 5):
Seat pitch isn't being reduced.. the use of the space in the lav is only being made more efficient

This has all of the hallmarks of one of those "enhancements" that is great for the airline's costs, but not so much for one's knees. Without even looking I'm sure pitch is reduced, just not at ankle level or wherever they measure for the PR. Regardless, it's the right move.

Quoting rsmith6621a (Reply 4):
These kind of STUNTS make me glad I am no longer in the industry.

There was an article I saw somewhere recently whose headline essentially was "it's time to stop complaining about crappy airline service--passengers are getting exactly what they wanted". You should check it out.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting rsmith6621a (Reply 4):
These kind of STUNTS make me glad I am no longer in the industry.

Probably a good thing you're no longer in the industry, too, with your inability to read the entire article and figure out that it won't be nearly as bad as you say.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 5):
But, by all means, react with emotion instead of logic.

  
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Although, someone explain to me how they found room for 4 seats when it is 3 per side

On another forum it was postulated that due to the tapering of the long 739 cabin + having the seats recline into the lav wall, the last row on both sides of the main cabin will only have 2 seats each, not unlike other planes with reduced seat counts in the back rows.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:38 pm

Can't imagine narrowbody lav's getting any smaller than they already are. I'm a relatively small guy and find them pretty tight.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:54 pm

Quoting rsmith6621a (Reply 4):
Ladies and Gentleman...Welcome aboard Greyhound Airlines...

Corporations are always pushing the free market concept. Delta will spend all this money making the transition, the customer rejects this, the airline remove it and then......

...... THEY FILE BANKRUPTCY and the exploitation of the system starts all over again... MORE SEATS do not not do anything to make employment more secure for the worker.

How about the airlines stop participating in FUEL SPECULATION and drive the cost of gas back down to realistic levels.

These kind of STUNTS make me glad I am no longer in the industry.

I think YOU are really missing the point here.

What they ARE doing, as part of the fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder that they have, is increasing yields and with it profits.

It really is CRAZY to say that this will lead to them filing bankruptcy.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 15):
Can't imagine narrowbody lav's getting any smaller than they already are. I'm a relatively small guy and find them pretty tight.

Have you ever seen the forward lav on a CRJ-7/9?
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Nothing like reading this story and then finding the next forum topic is about Wizz Air.

[Edited 2013-04-03 12:59:18]
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 17):
Have you ever seen the forward lav on a CRJ-7/9?

or the aft lav on the CR7 and E145.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 18):
Nothing like reading this story and then finding the next forum topic is about Wizz Air.

  

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 10):
I suspect that in the future Delta will offer, in addition to the new smaller toilets, "comfort toilets" for a fee for those wishing a few extra inches in the loo in order to do luxury things like turn around or tie your shoelace.

You could be onto something here. Bring back the lounges, including a dedicated lav, but for a fee. Let's see.... have all seat pitch at 28" or something. Then have a for-a-fee lounge that some passengers use for almost the entire flight, other than takeoff and landing. It would be priced so it's less than, say, an F seat per passenger, but sized so it still drives more revenue per flight than current configurations. With the growth of independent airport lounges for a fee, maybe expanding to the plane would work. It's all about perception on the passengers' part.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:56 pm

The actual article's headline puts the whole story into a negative tailspin.

Instead, they should be praising Delta for finding wasted non-revenue generating space and turning it into revenue-generating space. Of course, that would require looking at the bigger picture.. and that's something a lot of people seem to lack nowadays. All they see is "smaller" and think bad. Heck, reading the article it doesn't even seem like the lavs are getting smaller.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting ghifty (Reply 21):
Heck, reading the article it doesn't even seem like the lavs are getting smaller.

Reading the article actually doesn't seem to give any information at all. Apparently this is a Boeing decision, not a Delta decision.

"B/E Aerospace (Nasdaq:BEAV), the world’s leading manufacturer of aircraft cabin interior products and the world’s leading distributor of aerospace fasteners and consumables, today announced that TheBoeing Company has selected B/E Aerospace to become the exclusive manufacturer of modular lavatory systems for Boeing’s 737 Next-Generation family of airplanes, as well as the 737 MAX which is expected to be introduced into service later this decade. The estimated value of the award is in excess of $800 million, exclusive of retrofit orders, which are expected to be substantial.

"The B/E Aerospace modular lavatory system (MLS) utilizes B/E Aerospace, patent pending, Spacewall® technology, which frees up floor space in the cabin, creating the opportunity to add up to six incremental passenger seats on each airplane."

source: http://pin-pointsolutions.com/be-aerospace-newsletter/

This same information is everywhere on the internet. But nowhere can I find how this technology will actually allow for more passenger seats. Does anyone have more info?
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
someone explain to me how they found room for 4 seats when it is 3 per side... I assume this is a mix of F/Y addition?

A good point that I wondered about myself. An extra row of first class seats would equal 4 seats, but jeez, I don't see how Delta found that much extra space behind the sink! And what is this new design? A narrower space that extends farther back?

Quoting catiii (Reply 2):
Will passengers feel the squeeze in what already constitutes tight quarters for all but the smallest passengers? No, said Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant via e-mail,

Yes, says Delta. But what will passengers say? Look, I'm all for airlines right-sizing space in the economy section to match the low cost of a restricted coach ticket. When I can, I fly up front, but often the cost is simply prohibitive for me. My recent experience flying coach is that it is so uncomfortable that it becomes an ordeal.

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 10):
I suspect that in the future Delta will offer, in addition to the new smaller toilets, "comfort toilets" for a fee for those wishing a few extra inches in the loo in order to do luxury things like turn around or tie your shoelace.

Hah! Don't say that too loud, it could happen!
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting reality (Reply 22):
This same information is everywhere on the internet. But nowhere can I find how this technology will actually allow for more passenger seats. Does anyone have more info?

My sentiment is that the wall separating the interior of the lavatory to the main cabin must be thinner or something. Somehow that must free up enough space for one (?) more row of seats.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:42 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
Hah! The 739 is such a dog.

Can you explain how your comment is relevant to this thread? I don't see the connection.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 25):

You wouldn't have to shrink a lav on a 757. The 739 is so finicky that they have to reduce lav space for only FOUR extra seats? Sounds like cramming to me.
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
You wouldn't have to shrink a lav on a 757. The 739 is so finicky that they have to reduce lav space for only FOUR extra seats? Sounds like cramming to me.

In my opinion, you didn't answer my question.

Granted a 737-900 cabin isn't a long as a 757-200, but so what? Neither is a 737-800 or an A320.

Why does DL and UA have so many 739s on order? Because the seat mile cost is lower than the mighty 757-200; it's just business.

Don't get me wrong, I flew 757s and it's a great airplane, but if "greatness" were enough, UA wouldn't be retiring the (sUA) 757-200s, would they?

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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
The 739 is so finicky that they have to reduce lav space for only FOUR extra seats? Sounds like cramming to me.

Four extra jet seats across a fleet in the USA (~200 total seats) flying 10 hours per day earns enough to pay a lot of workers. Even getting 8c RASM out of them, 4000 miles per day, the seats will make about 320 dollars per seat per day. Or $64,000 per day. So, that's about enough to pay 365 worker salaries.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:05 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):

You wouldn't have to shrink a lav on a 757. The 739 is so finicky that they have to reduce lav space for only FOUR extra seats? Sounds like cramming to me.

I'm sure if there was a way to make a lav smaller on a 757 to fit in four extra seats, they'd do it.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:51 am

Quote:
Known as a modular lavatory system (MLS), the new facilities are made by Wellington, Fla.-based B/E Aerospace. Neither the company nor Delta responded to inquiries as to how the dimensions would compare to a typical 3 x 3-foot coach lavatory.

Will passengers feel the squeeze in what already constitutes tight quarters for all but the smallest passengers? No, said Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant via e-mail, as the design utilizes previously unused space behind the sink and a sculpted exterior wall.

It's very hard to tell what it could mean, without a plan or specs to look at. "Modular"??

We all know the floor plan of a lavatory is usually a toilet with its back against the fuselage wall, and alongside it is the sink and counter, which extend the whole way from the aisle to the fuselage.

A lot of that countertop space is wasted, as is much of the space in the cabinets under the counter, where the water heater, garbage can, towel and feminine hygiene product dispensers are.

I can easily imagine a design where the counter is much smaller, or omitted altogether, resulting in a sink and toilet combo with the bulkhead being curved rather than straight. The lav would be wide at the door and narrower near the fuselage wall. And also, as mentioned above, further curves could be introduced to allow for the last row in Coach to recline.

This probably means a smaller mirror.

Making some use of wasted space is a very good thing, and this shows the level of refinement the 737 is realizing. This apparently will be standard for new 737s into the future.

I wonder how this will affect lavs in the forward cabin.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:15 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
A good point that I wondered about myself. An extra row of first class seats would equal 4 seats, but jeez, I don't see how Delta found that much extra space behind the sink! And what is this new design? A narrower space that extends farther back?

I could see that, where the sink projects into the space where an aisle seat might be, but the "dead corner" that currently exists next to the sink and toilet is reclaimed by the cabin.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:24 am

Looks to me like Delta may find themselves with a law suit claiming discrimination about very large passengers not being able to fit into the lav and relieve themselves. Here is more fodder for the "Ameicans With Disabilities Act." Are the airlines going to start restricting passengers due to their inability to fit into these "tiny lavs." Maybe oversized passengers are go into have relieve themselves in bags in their seats.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:28 am

I just flew aboard my first (UA) 739 (BWI-DEN) and couldn't help but notice the mid-cabin lav is insanely narrow even by airline standards - how do they compare to DL's proposed loos? It's unrealistic to expect it to be as large as a 757 mid-cabin lav, but you expect it to be somewhat larger than, say an RJ, given that the 739 is designed for transcon-length segments. As a rule, I generally try to spend as little time as possible in an aircraft lav, but can't imagine having to (try to) pop a squat in the mid-cabin lav; there's simply no elbow room (I'm 5' 10", about 180 lbs), and barely enough room to place your legs without hitting the doors.

As an aside, the DirecTv (on UA) was a great diversion from monotony of our headwind-lengthened mid-con flight.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 10):
for a fee for those wishing a few extra inches

They could probably make a lot of money with that offering!
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:27 am

Per the article in OP, "Neither the company nor Delta responded to inquiries as to how the dimensions would compare to a typical 3 x 3-foot coach lavatory."

Three feet = 36". Seat pitch equals 31-32". Simple math would lead us to believe the new lavs are 4-5" wide. Something gives. Perhaps the placement of the lavs will be placed in the rear similar to some A320s.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
I don't see how Delta found that much extra space behind the sink! And what is this new design? A narrower space that extends farther back?

Simple. It's the new AirLavBidet.

Passenger will walk into a narrow, closet-like lav... lock the door... put on an oxygen mask... roll down the aircraft window... stick whatever whatever out the window... do the business... shake it around in the wind... pull the whatever whatever back in... roll up the window... return oxygen mask... wash hands using disinfecting spray... unlock door... walk into cabin.

Also saves fuel by not having to transport lav and water tanks.
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
the last row on both sides of the main cabin will only have 2 seats each, not unlike other planes with reduced seat counts in the back rows.

Or that.  
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
My recent experience flying coach is that it is so uncomfortable that it becomes an ordeal.

People get what they pay for.   Unfortunately.   (I'm a cheap bastard.)

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 33):

Looks to me like Delta may find themselves with a law suit claiming discrimination about very large passengers

My understanding is access minimum width is the same.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 34):
the DirecTv (on UA) was a great diversion from monotony of our headwind-lengthened mid-con flight.

The best part, ever since I first experienced IFE on VS a long time ago    is that the idiot next to you is distracted. (I've been on hundreds of flights and I've had six 'great conversations' with strangers and had dozens of drunks think they were holding up a conversation that wasn't interesting at all... and they think reading a book is doing nothing. ugh But watch a game on IFE means they leave you alone.)

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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:22 am

It's pretty easy, before you get on your 1.5 hour flight, relax and visit the big restroom on the ground. I see no problem here at all.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:44 am

Quoting strangr (Reply 39):
It's pretty easy, before you get on your 1.5 hour flight, relax and visit the big restroom on the ground. I see no problem here at all.

If it's a 90 minute flight in the US, people just drive.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 am

After my recent trip to the USA i noticed a few things that i think would do worlds for airlines and their profit.

1] remove carry on bins. If it don't fit under the seat bad luck - Americans abuse what carry on is for Its for a small bag, laptop not a whole weeks clothes for your business trip. And since when has one bag been able to take up over half a bin.

2] if you charge for checked in at the booking counter, don't offer it free at the gate because they are limited on space. If you make it that far and run out of space then you should triple the charge, Take a chance and you could win or lose big time.

3] 45 minutes for boarding huh? how many status clubs do you need to have to make people feel warm cozy and loved, its a plane, those who pay for business should get on first and military thats it its a free for all after that. Works over here in Australia, and i've seen turns of 20-30 minutes.

Work on that and i see profit very soon.
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting ghifty (Reply 24):
My sentiment is that the wall separating the interior of the lavatory to the main cabin must be thinner or something. Somehow that must free up enough space for one (?) more row of seats.

I think it's just a curtain. Why use walls, anyway? They're too heavy, and they take up too much room.
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:38 pm

The article repeatedly says the coach lavatory. On a typical narrowbody (A320, 737NG, 757, MD-80), is the first class lav any bigger than the coach lavs?
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:24 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 33):
Looks to me like Delta may find themselves with a law suit claiming discrimination about very large passengers not being able to fit into the lav

Lawsuit for what? Did you even read the article? I don't think many fat people will care that there is less space behind the sink  
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:47 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 40):
If it's a 90 minute flight in the US, people just drive.

A 90 minute flight starts pushing the "just drive" limit a little. a 90 minute flight is at least a 7 hour car ride. Add 30 minutes to that flight time and you're up to a 10 hour car ride.

A 60 minute flight is about 4 hours in the car and would take (almost) the exact same amount of time as it would to fly if you add on the time spent at the airport before and after the flight.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting reality (Reply 22):
Reading the article actually doesn't seem to give any information at all. Apparently this is a Boeing decision, not a Delta decision.

        

THIS IS NOT DELTA'S DECISION!!! People will take any opportunity to bash an airline without getting all the facts straight. I personally think Delta should sue the WSJ (which is where the article originated) for defamation. The comments I see on the WSJ and NBC sites are just sad and ignorant "I'm not ever going to fly Delta because of this". You might as well not fly any airline that flies new 737NGs built from late 2013 forward or 737MAXs. I'm sure these will also be offered on A32x series in the future as well.

Of course I also can see these space saving lavs being retrofitted on older planes as well. But if the design is as they say and they are more efficiently using dead space, what is the issue again?
 
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 34):
It's unrealistic to expect it to be as large as a 757 mid-cabin lav, but you expect it to be somewhat larger than, say an RJ, given that the 739 is designed for transcon-length segments.

739s actually are not the most capable on a transcon. They can and will divert during the winter if the headwinds are strong. They are better for midcons like your BWI-DEN

Quoting 777fan (Reply 34):

As an aside, the DirecTv (on UA) was a great diversion from monotony of our headwind-lengthened mid-con flight.

Once you get over the outrageous price that you have to pay for it. I would think DL would have its IFE on the 739s for free, like they currently have on Delta on Demand.
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:56 pm

Quoting strangr (Reply 41):
Work on that and i see profit very soon.

You do realize that they are ALREADY turning a profit, correct?




Since we're trying to save space, why not just wash your hands in the toilet??  
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RE: Delta Shrinks Lavatories, Adds Seats

Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting strangr (Reply 41):
1] remove carry on bins. If it don't fit under the seat bad luck - Americans abuse what carry on is for Its for a small bag, laptop not a whole weeks clothes for your business trip. And since when has one bag been able to take up over half a bin.

I suspect you may change your mind when the vast majority of airlines in your country start to charge for check in baggage.

Americans are just responding rationally to economic disincentives created by the airlines. This is not a cultural thing...it's just basic human behavior. Australians would do the same thing.
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