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Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:17 am

Boeing is having discussions with Qatar Airways about the new 777X models, apparently to replace the 777-200LR and (finally) the A340-600s.

No doubt Ali Al Baker will be doing some fairly serious arm twisting, given the debacle surrounding the 787, which has undoubtedly been costly for the Qatari carrier.

Here's an excerpt from ATW, but subscription is required:

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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:34 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Ali Al Baker will be doing some fairly serious arm twisting

Does Al Baker really matter? QR has less than 40 Boeings on order, and about that in their fleet now. As far as Gulf carriers, they're very likely going to end up an also-ran. With his yammering you'd think he's Udvar Hazy. I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing has a dedicated line for Baker and assorted Kardashians 
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:51 am

QR was in anyways planning to lease out its 4 A346s once at least a dozen B788s were delivered to the carrier by 2014 Q4 but this obviously has taken a back seat due to the on going groundings. This in turn would have made CDG a triple daily B788 operated service.

QR would probably find a hard time leasing out a 3 class 310 seater configured A346 and should into the prospect of converting it into a 2 class version with more seats on board before advertising it for lease worldwide as it would be a more attractive proposition for airlines.
 
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:28 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Does Al Baker really matter?

Like him or not, he's the guy, who is buying airplanes in large quantities. Boeing cannot afford to ignore him, despite all of his... ahem... "shortcommings".
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:35 am

So what happened to the deal to sell the 4 A346's to AR then ?
Instead of publicly hating and bashing the aircraft as AAB has done, bet he's glad they were kept on now in view of the B788 crisis.
But of course QR will be interested to hear what Boeing can offer with the 777X as much as they are with Airbus and the A350-1000.
 
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:18 pm

BA and EKs' demands for the 777X specs will be considered far more than QR's, as they will be ordering far more aircraft. Either way I'm sure Boeing will be getting an earful from Al Baker.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):

So what happened to the deal to sell the 4 A346's to AR then ?

I haven't heard this rumour... but I would imagine that they will do nothing to help AR's dreadful financial situation.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):
Instead of publicly hating and bashing the aircraft as AAB has done, bet he's glad they were kept on now in view of the B788 crisis.

I don't really understand why he disliked them... LH is happy with them. The CASM is pretty good, not as good as the 777, but still economically viable.
 
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):
So what happened to the deal to sell the 4 A346's to AR then ?

I believe the resell value was too low and it was better to keep flying them.

[Edited 2013-04-04 14:22:53]
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:23 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 3):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Does Al Baker really matter?

Like him or not, he's the guy, who is buying airplanes in large quantities. Boeing cannot afford to ignore him, despite all of his... ahem... "shortcommings".

Agreed. It's not the shortcomings, as you say, it's the longer term. Would 40 jets on order become 90? Just in case he gets pissed at Airbus, it's better to return his phone calls....
 
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RE: Boeing And QR Talk About 777X

Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:36 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
and (finally) the A340-600s.

Has QR found a buyer? That was what was keeping them from selling. They were not depreciated enough to take that cash hit. Or did QR accelerate the depreciation of those airframes? Perhaps Boeing will offer a better resale price for forgiveness of 787 issues? (I speculate.)

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
No doubt Ali Al Baker will be doing some fairly serious arm twisting, given the debacle surrounding the 787, which has undoubtedly been costly for the Qatari carrier.

No doubt. But he'll also know his legal leverage.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
With his yammering you'd think he's Udvar Hazy.

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