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A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:08 pm

Culminating a nine-year doubling of production capacity, Airbus’ A330 output rate has now reached 10 aircraft monthly – responding to this twin-engine jetliner’s continued popularity with airlines, cargo carriers, military services and VIP operators.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...ion-rate-reaches-10-per-month.html

The backlog is less than 300 at the moment. Where will the orders come from to sustain a production rate of ~110 per annum? Will orders due to the 787 and A350 backlogs + an increase in freighter demand be enough to sustain this level or will Airbus be ramping down again in a year or two?
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:19 pm

Leahy explained that customers must wait almost 3 years to get an A330. Airbus response is to increase production and reduce the backlog from ~ 3 to ~ 2 years.

Based on the scheduled Beluga movements the rate will go down again to 100 per year in 2016 and 90 per year in 2017, etc.
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:23 pm

But will top at 11 per month in 2015 at EIS of 242t versios
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:42 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
Leahy explained that customers must wait almost 3 years to get an A330. Airbus response is to increase production and reduce the backlog from ~ 3 to ~ 2 years.

In other words, if the backlog were shorter, Airbus would be booking even more A330 orders, which answers the question:

Quoting art (Thread starter):
Where will the orders come from to sustain a production rate of ~110 per annum?

The backlog reduction will generate those orders. The key to the A330's attractiveness is early availability and reliable delivery dates. In order to keep that, they need to up the rate.

In any case, the motto for Airbus is clear: pump out as many A330's as they can while Boeing solves the 787 troubles and burns through enough of their backlog. When the "party" is over they can always start to ramp down again. Even then, I see the A330 soldiering on for a long time at low rates as freighter/tanker and small pax orders, like the 767 today. In addition, there would be a fleet of 1500 or so A330's out there to sell PIP's, P2F conversions, upgrades, retrofits, etc - great business.
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting art (Thread starter):
a production rate of ~110 per annum?

Maybe nitpicking but 12months x 10 = 120.

So 110 pa / 12 = 9 and a little bit
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 4):
Maybe nitpicking but 12months x 10 = 120.

With all French National holidays Airbus production ends up at about 11 months per annum.
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:57 pm

Nice to see more examples of the A330 being build. It is certainly one of the best looking big jet.

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 4):

Maybe nitpicking but 12months x 10 = 120.

So 110 pa / 12 = 9 and a little bit

Except Airbus only produces planes 11 months of the year

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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:08 pm

Quoting larshjort (Reply 6):
Nice to see more examples of the A330 being build. It is certainly one of the best looking big jet.

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 4):

Maybe nitpicking but 12months x 10 = 120.

So 110 pa / 12 = 9 and a little bit

Except Airbus only produces planes 11 months of the year

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Seems somewhat strange

So does Boeing produce planes 11 or 12 months a year?
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:24 pm

With US holidays and Christmas break it's closer to 11 months than 12.. however there are generally crews working on most holidays..
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:24 pm

There's a myth that airbus is planning production on 11 months per year....

Don't know if it's true... but A380 wise : monthly rate *12 = yearly delivery i think
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 9):
There's a myth that airbus is planning production on 11 months per year....

Don't know if it's true... but A380 wise : monthly rate *12 = yearly delivery i think



Well airlines operate 24/7 as do most other industries, high tech / low tech; well at least 5 or 6 days a week if its low tech

Can understand public holidays / holidays / vacations / leave (it happens in every country) and the accumulated down time but that should be built into the production process, staggering employee days off (for whatever reason)

Surely if a production rate is 10 a month then 10 x 12 = 120 or am I being niave?
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:04 pm

The A330 is a great a/c and will continue to win orders for a while to come. Are the 330s produced on a single line or multiple lines? If it's multiple, they can retool one line eventually for more 350 production as the orders for the 330s slow.
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 2):
But will top at 11 per month in 2015 at EIS of 242t versios

Did RR publicly commit to a PIP? IMHO, their PIPs will (partially) determine the A330 sales life. I also think Airbus *must* put sharklets on the A333.

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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:27 am

Hello Lightsaber

Official Airbus info :

242 t
-1% fuel burn due to aero clean up
-1% from engines (and we can imagine that all 3 makers are on the move).

I'm also waiting for improved winglets, could it be sharklets, scimitar, rakes...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...f-weight-and-fuel-capacity-379583/
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 11):
The A330 is a great a/c and will continue to win orders for a while to come. Are the 330s produced on a single line or multiple lines? If it's multiple, they can retool one line eventually for more 350 production as the orders for the 330s slow.

But what are they planning on doing with the 330 segment when production winds down? I dont get the limbo the 350-800 is kept in. Looks like Airbus is still evaluating keeping the 350-800 and reworking the 330 with winglets and new engines or ditching the 350-800 to make all new family based on the 350 to cover the 330/358-800 segment.

It makes sense for them to wait until later this year when they have more accurate data on the 350 through the flight test program.
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:49 am

Next up for the 330 is a key milestone: 1,000 deliveries which should be reached sometime this year.

Per the article linked by the OP, 960 have been delivered.....40 to go

10 per month is the highest production rate for any widebody aircraft.

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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 13):
I'm also waiting for improved winglets, could it be sharklets, scimitar, rakes...

You have a point that the wingtip treatment could be a variety of styles. Any which way, I expect to see a change on the A333 and later the A332. Thanks for the link.


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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:11 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
You have a point that the wingtip treatment could be a variety of styles. Any which way, I expect to see a change on the A333 and later the A332. Thanks for the link.

What is wrong with the present wingtips?
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:39 am

G´day

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
I also think Airbus *must* put sharklets on the A333.

I just wonder how much of an issue it would be to use the A 350 winglets on the A 330. Except for the resulting wing span extension it cannot be that much of a problem, from an engineering point of view anyway. That should be good for another few hundred additional miles of range, reduced fuel burn and emissions reduction - all the same thing though it sound good  

But then again, I am sure the folks in Tooloose have thought about this  


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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
What is wrong with the present wingtips?

Nothing in particular, but they are 1st generation winglets, like on the 744. Surely a modern design, be it winglet, raked wingtip, etc, could improve on that... if Airbus can eek out another 3%, and design it retrofittable, it's a clear business case.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 11):
Are the 330s produced on a single line or multiple lines? If it's multiple, they can retool one line eventually for more 350 production as the orders for the 330s slow.

One line, two facilities AFAIK. The main structural assembly facility is A330-only, but the final equipping & test line is shared with the A350. So Airbus is already planning in that sense.   

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 14):

But what are they planning on doing with the 330 segment when production winds down? I dont get the limbo the 350-800 is kept in. [...]

It makes sense for them to wait until later this year when they have more accurate data on the 350 through the flight test program.

I don't think Airbus themselves know at this point. Lots of question marks surrounding the A358. I don't see a decision until A359 is well into the flight test campaign and A351 design is frozen. So, in the meantime... might as well keep pumping A330's out the door  
 
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RE: A330 Production Reaches To 10 Per Month

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 14):
ditching the 350-800 to make all new family based on the 350 to cover the 330/358-800 segment.

I expect them to take a bit more time optimising the 358. It will not sell in huge numbers, but will be the only ULH on offer until the much larger 778 arrives and some airlines like HA like it. The investment to shrink the 359 is not huge.

Much more interesting is the A300 - A333 space that is dominated by regional high density requirements for which both 787 and 350 are too capable and therefore sub-optimally efficient. I see a 350 fuselage plus regionally optimised wing with a fuselage up to 359 length. Plus if a larger capacity is needed, a simple stretch of the 359 to 3510 size, and even a simple stretch of the 3510.

With fuel prices increasing, the business model of one aircraft for all needs ("mis-used" regionally) will become ever less compelling, and I think we will instead see regional and long range versions of one basic family flying alongside each other.

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