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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:13 pm

And this is part 12 as part 11 was getting a little longer.

Here again the link to part 11:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

And now continue and have fun.

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:19 pm

From the last thread:
[quote:747classic]Latest info : Estimated delivery dates for the next 2 months :

LN1438--- RC554-- Cathay #4-----B-LJD------ 23 April
LN1476--- RC582-- Atlas Air #9--- N855GT---30 April
LN1473--- RC508-- Cargolux #8 --LX-VCH----13 May
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May
[/quote]

Sucks I can't catch the 5Y delivery but I guess I'll see the CX Cargo in NRT someday  
Anyone have more updates on KZ? As I stated earlier their fleet is relatively new, and I thought they were taking the 748s for network expansion.
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:12 am

The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line and can be observed for the first time on a very nice aerial picture of the Everett Flight line at Matt Cawby's KPAE blog ( Thanks Matt ).

Look for the most righthand 747-8, unpainted with dark blue rudders, at this picture :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6190.htm

On the same picture the following 747-8 aircraft are visible (from Left to Right) : RC508, RC554, RC573, RC582, RC572 and RC029 .
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Anyone have more updates on KZ?

RC522: delivered 20 December 2012
RC523: delivered 25 July 2012
RC524: flown to storage at KMZJ on 1 March 2013.
RC525: in final assembly, due to roll out by the end of April.
RC526 - RC528: have not started final assembly yet.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May

Anybody know why the delivery of RC028 slipped a whole month?
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:48 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):
The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line

Here is a better picture:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6202.htm
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:15 am

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 5):

Man does that look sharp, its wings, engines. I have grown to like the 748 more with time, it looks powerful.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:43 pm

RC021 has its first engine installed, see http://paineairport.com/kpae6192.htm. And RC553 now has all its 4 engines installed.

The refurbishment program is coming to an end. I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.

I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

FAR Part 33 certification for the GEnx-2B PIP engine was original scheduled for April 2013.

According the following article of December 2012 about the GEnx-1B PIP 1 and 2 program, the GEnx-2B PIP certification had already slipped into mid 2013 and AFAIK no test flights have been performed at the GE 747 testbed up to now.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...genx-1b-boeing-787-slips-next-year

Additional to this delay : the prolonged grounding of the 787, effectively arresting the tests for engine/airframe certification (FAR part 25) of the preceding GEnx1B/PIP2, could have a negative effect on the time line of the GEnx-2B/PIP certification.
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:00 pm

I don't follow this thread much, but I am assuming that those of you who do would be most qualified and most enthusiastic to answer this question.

Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now? Those stats, it seems to me, would be the one bright light, or final nail in the coffin of this A/C, which, if nothing else, I think is incredibly beautiful.

Originally, Boeing had been specifying he -8 as more efficient per seat mile than the A380, as I recall., while Airbus had been specifying the reverse. What has turned out to be the case? In addition, I believe the under-floor cargo capacity and layout of the Boeing A/C were supposed to be selling points. I also am not in the loop (forgive me) if the weight has been brought down since the first copies were delivered to LH.

It's just been disappointing to me how few passenger versions have been sold (rather like the A340 thorn in the side of the A330/340 production line...)

So I'm wondering if the operating costs and efficiency reports of Lufthansa's -8 operation have helped boost interest in the bird, or is that moot anyway, since the A380's, B777's and A350's cut into either end of it's operating niche so much that airlines would rather invest in these other A/C for more flexibility of assignment?
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now?

In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:11 pm

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):

I think I read LH saying something about the 748 having about the same seat mile cost as the 77W? Or did I mix things up, too much information in this modern world! Sitting at work learning Revit, freaking hell things gets confused now everywhere for me. /Rant over
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:28 pm

Why does LH stick so much with 4-holers whereas all the others are buying twins? Yes, I know EK has 90 A380 on order, but I mean IAG, AF/KLM, SQ, CX, QR and so on.
I like the 748 and I'm happy LH is buying them. But I wonder if it is just a matter of seats or what could be the reason they asked Boeing to build that plane. It is strange that besides of LH no-one has placed significant orders for the passenger model.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 8):
I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

Given all the information, I agree it is unlikely that the PIP upgrade has been installed.

During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.


(picture cutted from Matt's flightline picture)

[Edited 2013-04-06 14:32:54]
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.

There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

A significant difference. 9 ish %? I thought it was supposed to be much better than that. Disappointing for a 747 fan.

The only liability I can see with the 380 is the obligation to fill those 150 seats. Perhaps a few airlines consider not having quite enough seats to cover demand better than having more seats than they can fill?

And, as I suggested, with the 777/350 chipping away at it's mission from below, and the 380 from above, the -8 doesn't have much of a niche to call it's own.

Does it have any advantage?
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 14):
There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC

Korean Airlines have some Intercontinental on order.

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Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:25 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Quoting sweair (Reply 11):
Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 12):
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 15):

This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

There are numerous other threads about this subject.
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.

Original RC021, the second test aircraft, was only partly test wired for cabin and air conditioning related test flights.

Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

[Edited 2013-04-06 22:26:39]
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:49 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

Thank You for this admonition. It's nice to have a at least one thread completely free from the endless so-called "market analysis" of dilettantes.
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:01 am

The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B? There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787, cleaning of aero around the engine, that would be the second PIP for the 748.

Any news about this? Anyway if they get the engines close to spec, take 10000 pounds of weight out of the frame and get the tail tank to work as a trim tank, I am sure the numbers only will get better. They achieved 5000 pounds of weight reduction already, that will account for some of the improvements. It seems many customers defferred delivery until all these improvements are in the frame.

One question, will they still keep the higher MTOW when they take all that weight out?
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:52 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B?

No, the single PIP for the GEnx-2B contains a few items from the first PIP of the GEnx-1B and almost all items of the second PIP of that engine.
Remember that the original GEnx-2B was certified more than two years later than the original Genx-1B and contained already several of the improvements planned for the PIP1 of the GEnx-1B.

- GEnx-1B series certification date : March 31, 2008
- GEnx-2B series certification date : July 22, 2010
- GEnx-1B/PIP1 series certification date : June 14, 2012

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787

I also noticed an article about a third GEnx-1B PIP and a second Genx-2B PIP, but is didn't see it mentioned anymore in the last half year.

The weight reduction program seems to be on track, but I doubt that the OEW will come down completely to the original specified OEW in 2008.
As a compensation for this (slight) OEW increase, all presently built airframes are delivered with the option to operate at increased operating weights.
Early built airframes may be modified to the increased operating weight standard.

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Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:01 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

That makes sense, thanks.
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:48 am

Will all the PIPs coming be available for the early built frames?
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:57 am

See the previous thread for the answer:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation) (reply #241)
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

Any updates on the delivered-but-being-outfitted 748iVVIPs?

Like, anyone know of any photos of interiors being installed, etc? ET of Completion?
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Any updates on the delivered-but-being-outfitted 748iVVIPs?

Like, anyone know of any photos of interiors being installed, etc? ET of Completion?

Thats always kept secret, I wont be surprised if it takes years before any of these megarich Middeastern clients allows to show even small parts of the interior of his plane. Dont expect anything popping up soon, I dont even think that any BBJ has much of its interior already installed. The first VVIP 748 likely wont be ready to serve before 2014.
 
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Quoting na (Reply 25):
Thats always kept secret, I wont be surprised if it takes years before any of these megarich Middeastern clients allows to show even small parts of the interior of his plane. Dont expect anything popping up soon, I dont even think that any BBJ has much of its interior already installed.

They're just like the pictures we see of the interior of the 737 BBJ's only much bigger dance floors.





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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
RC554 first flight scheduled for today.

First flight was delayed but RC554 made it in the air today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130414/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 am

RC573-N770BA performed her first (B1) flight from Paine Field towards Moses Lake at April 15, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../history/20130415/2200Z/KPAE/KMWH.

The aircraft will probably be stored, because this aircraft was rejected by Atlas Air and has no new customer up to now.
See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae6225.htm

Aircraft data : L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE flight line.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:25 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 26):
They're just like the pictures we see of the interior of the 737 BBJ's only much bigger dance floors.

This looks like about half the clubs i've been in Shibuya.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 29):
The aircraft will probably be stored, because this aircraft was rejected by Atlas Air and has no new customer up to now.

Why is 5Y not taking up these airplanes?
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
Why is 5Y not taking up these airplanes?

Officially they were not pleased with the performance due to the higher OEW and the GE engines higher SFC.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:44 pm

More 747-8 news (April 16) :

- RC573-N770BA is scheduled to depart to Marana on or about May 16.

- RC027 - D-ABYH made it's first commercial flight today : DLH754 (FRA-BLR), see : http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-abyh

- New Firing Order allocations :

- L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF, RC642, GECAS/Silk Way ?, Boeing operator identification code : 645
- L/N 1497 - 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery March 31 2014
- L/N 1498 - 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery June 30 2014
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Officially they were not pleased with the performance due to the higher OEW and the GE engines higher SFC.

Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there?
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there?

As I recall, they did agree to take later builds that had lower OEW and better SFC.
 
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there

The first 3 airframes (RC571,-2 and -3) for Atlas Air were rejected by the customer and the order for these 3 early built aircraft was cancelled.

Officially because the payload-range (OEW above spec. and GEnx-2B plus 2,7% TSFC) was outside the purchase contract limits. But the cancellation was very convenient at that time , because the cargo market was already on the way down and the total 5Y 747-8F order count could be reduced from 12 to 9 aircraft.

RC571 and RC572 will be operated by Saudia Cargo, but officially the owner is still unknown in the Official Boeing order and delivery listing, see 747-8 delivery list of 2013 below (RC571 is the unidentified customer)


RC573 has not found a new customer yet and will be temporally stored at Marana, awaiting better (cargo) times.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:47 pm

I was always surprised about the cancellation of those 3 frames. I mean, is there so much difference between RC573 and RC574? Was there a block change? It sounds more like they the took the delays and the performance issues as an opportunity to cancel those frames, as 747 classic points out:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 35):
But the cancellation was very convenient at that time , because the cargo market was already on the way down and the total 5Y 747-8F order count could be reduced from 12 to 9 aircraft.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:51 pm

GEnx-2B67 PIP is on track :

- flight test at General Electric's testbed N747GE started in February 2013 and 2/3 is already completed.

- FAR 33 engine certification is expected by Mid Year.

- First deliveries on 747-8 aircraft by year end.

- "To combat the original fuel-burn shortfall of more than 2%, GE designed an all-new low-pressure turbine, and added compressor, combustor and turbine improvements from the 787 engine's PIP II upgrade. Together with better-than-expected 1% fuel-burn improvement seen by initial 747-8 operators on the baseline engine, added to airframe improvements instituted by Boeing, GE says the -2 PIP will bring the aircraft up to or beyond specification."

See : http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._04_15_2013_p42-567125.xml&p=1

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Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
or beyond specification.

Let's hope so, this could compensate for the overweight.
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 35):
RC571 and RC572 will be operated by Saudia Cargo, but officially the owner is still unknown in the Official Boeing order and delivery listing, see 747-8 delivery list of 2013 below (RC571 is the unidentified customer)

Maybe Boeing themselves?

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
the -2 PIP will bring the aircraft up to or beyond specification."

Hopefully this will attract new customers as well. I do not fully understand this text though, it speaks of 1% better-than-expected fuel burn on initially built planes, and 2% less on top by the PIP, right? If so, that should mean 3% better than original specification in the end. That would be pretty good. Still leaves room for a future PIP which will certainly be needed in a few years.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
added to airframe improvements instituted by Boeing
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
Let's hope so, this could compensate for the overweight.

Are current newbuilds still overweight?
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:22 am

Quoting na (Reply 39):
Are current newbuilds still overweight?

Boeing already stripped out a lot of weight but I recall Elizabeth Lund saying "the improvements get us very, very close to where we committed to be at the start of the programme, but not beyond it".

So the better-than-expected fuel burn could compensate for the little remaining overweight.

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Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:17 pm

RC508 - LX-VCH has filed a flight plan from Paine Field towards Charleson AFB Intl. (KPAE-KCHS) for storage ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130418/1500Z/KPAE/KCHS

Aircraft data :
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery, named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , Storage area TBD (registration N765BA) , Scheduled delivery May 13
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:21 pm

That's odd, why not flying it to Marana where the weather conditions for storage are better?
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:32 pm

Matt tweets that RC508 will return next Monday.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:53 pm

Found it:

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The 45th annual RBC Heritage Presented by Boeing will be held April 15-21, 2013, at the Harbour Town Golf Links on Hilton Head Island, S.C. Those attending Friday’s second round of the tournament will experience a thrill when a Boeing 747-8 Freighter will fly over the 18th hole at 12 p.m., pending final flight certificates and clear weather.

Friday’s flyover at the RBC Heritage will provide spectators with a unique opportunity to see Boeing’s newest 747-8 airplane up close and personal as it makes two low-altitude passes along the 18th fairway,” said Jack Jones, Boeing South Carolina vice president and general manager. “Boeing is proud to showcase our iconic wide-body airplane at the RBC Heritage, one of the most exciting PGA TOUR events of the season.”

With the most advanced wing and engine combination, the 747-8 is quieter, produces lower emissions, and achieves better fuel economy than previous 747 freighters. The airplane, in the Cargolux livery, will be the eighth 747-8 to be delivered to the freighter launch customer. The world’s most efficient freighter has a maximum takeoff weight of 987,000 lb (447,696 kg) and can hold approximately 19 million golf balls in its cargo compartment.

“We could not be happier about continuing to grow our partnership with Boeing in 2013 ,” said RBC Heritage Tournament Director Steve Wilmot. “This is the second year the tournament has enjoyed seeing a Boeing airplane fly over at the 18th hole, and people are still talking about seeing the 787 climb out in the sky over the green last year. We can’t wait to see the Boeing 747-8 make its first appearance at the RBC Heritage next Friday.”

“We are very proud and honored that LX-VCH, City of Dudelange, gets the opportunity to shine in such a spectacular setting before entering revenue service in May this year,” said Richard Forson, Cargolux Interim President & CEO.

The article also says that RC508 will enter revenue service in May. It will not go into storage after all   
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:15 pm

Anybody knows if Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered B747-8I too? I saw it on wikipedia but can't find the source.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 45):
Anybody knows if Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered B747-8I too? I saw it on wikipedia but can't find the source.

I believe they have ordered one or more 747-8 VIP business jets, but they have not to my knowledge ordered the 747-8 for passenger carrying use.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:57 am

From Thread #11 : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)#256
Quoting na (Reply 256):
D-ABYH then probably "Hamburg"?


D-ABYH has been named : Thueringen, in German writing : Thüringen, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/8661567532/

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2658

[Edited 2013-04-19 05:52:28]
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand.

This makes sense. But 1.75 is an unusual number. It only extends the production 4.5 months (there are 64 airplanes in the backlog).

Is that 4.5 month difference enough to weather this downturn in the cargo market? Maybe Boeing picked 1.75 to give themselves room to ratchet down to 1.5 next year if conditions don't improve?

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